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cpool · « **on:** August 10, 2019, 04:17:31 PM »

As some you know I’m new to springers and finally making some headway into shooting one. Here is the deal I have wished I got 22 instead of 177 ever since I bought this 34. My intentions was too squirrel hunt with it.heres the question should I get another barrel in 22 for this gun or would it make more since to just buy another gun ?

Arch_E · « **Reply #1 on:** August 10, 2019, 05:05:44 PM »

Quote from: cpool on August 10, 2019, 04:17:31 PM

As some you know I’m new to springers and finally making some headway into shooting one. Here is the deal I have wished I got 22 instead of 177 ever since I bought this 34. My intentions was too squirrel hunt with it.heres the question should I get another barrel in 22 for this gun or would it make more since to just buy another gun ?

If you've got the modding chops, go for a barrel replacement. If not, send it to a tuner and have one installed. OTOH, buying a tuned, used .22 might just do the trick, too.

I'm surprised that you don't like the .177, since I've killed 68 squirrels (pest eradication) with my Weihrauchs, Crosman, and Hammerli 850 thus far this year. Sure, a .22 does provide a larger kill zone, but my guns are more than capable of hitting the mark if I do my part.

Archie (just another 2 cents)

cpool · « **Reply #2 on:** August 10, 2019, 05:50:48 PM »

Quote from: Arch_E on August 10, 2019, 05:05:44 PM

Quote from: cpool on August 10, 2019, 04:17:31 PM
As some you know I’m new to springers and finally making some headway into shooting one. Here is the deal I have wished I got 22 instead of 177 ever since I bought this 34. My intentions was too squirrel hunt with it.heres the question should I get another barrel in 22 for this gun or would it make more since to just buy another gun ?

If you've got the modding chops, go for a barrel replacement. If not, send it to a tuner and have one installed. OTOH, buying a tuned, used .22 might just do the trick, too.
It’s not that I don’t like the 177 just afraid it’s not enough gun for squirrels. Never shot any with a pellet gun until last year it was a 22 cal pcp . I want to hunt with a springer
I'm surprised that you don't like the .177, since I've killed 68 squirrels (pest eradication) with my Weihrauchs, Crosman, and Hammerli 850 thus far this year. Sure, a .22 does provide a larger kill zone, but my guns are more than capable of hitting the mark if I do my part.

Archie (just another 2 cents)

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It’s not that I don’t like the 177 just afraid it’s not big enough for squirrels killed my first with a pellet gun last year it was 22 cal pcp.

Big Rick · « **Reply #3 on:** August 10, 2019, 06:12:09 PM »

It's not about the size of the pellet, it's about foot pounds delivered to target accurately. If you know how fast a given weight of pellet is you can figure out the energy being delivered. Then concentrate on accuracy.

mobilehomer · « **Reply #4 on:** August 10, 2019, 06:19:56 PM »

ACCURACY above all else!! A .177 is fine for squirrels with a head shot. I have killed squirrels at forty yards with my 2400KT on CO2, 10 fpe. Many Europeans are limited to 12 fpe muzzle. They use them to take all kinds of game with no problem.

Bayman · « **Reply #5 on:** August 10, 2019, 06:33:27 PM »

I second the accuracy over firepower every time. I snap bushy tailed man eating tree rats all the time with my 8lb 177 Hw30s.. Within the 20 yards of my property allows. I've done bunnies upstate at similar distance. Whack em in the head they flip all over the place on short circuited nerves, but they were dead the millisecond the pellet hit their brain. As a kid my father blew the hind quarters off a squirrel with a 12 Guage and it still drug it self along with its front legs trying to get away. It's the classic ever present hunting argument.

EMrider · « **Reply #6 on:** August 10, 2019, 06:55:46 PM »

Quote from: cpool on August 10, 2019, 05:50:48 PM

Quote from: Arch_E on August 10, 2019, 05:05:44 PM
Quote from: cpool on August 10, 2019, 04:17:31 PM
As some you know I’m new to springers and finally making some headway into shooting one. Here is the deal I have wished I got 22 instead of 177 ever since I bought this 34. My intentions was too squirrel hunt with it.heres the question should I get another barrel in 22 for this gun or would it make more since to just buy another gun ?

If you've got the modding chops, go for a barrel replacement. If not, send it to a tuner and have one installed. OTOH, buying a tuned, used .22 might just do the trick, too.
It’s not that I don’t like the 177 just afraid it’s not enough gun for squirrels. Never shot any with a pellet gun until last year it was a 22 cal pcp . I want to hunt with a springer
I'm surprised that you don't like the .177, since I've killed 68 squirrels (pest eradication) with my Weihrauchs, Crosman, and Hammerli 850 thus far this year. Sure, a .22 does provide a larger kill zone, but my guns are more than capable of hitting the mark if I do my part.

Archie (just another 2 cents)
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It’s not that I don’t like the 177 just afraid it’s not big enough for squirrels killed my first with a pellet gun last year it was 22 cal pcp.

Nothing wrong with getting a .22 if that’s what you prefer. But I’ve killed hundred of relatively tough CA ground squirrels with my 12fpe .177 springers and they have plenty of power to do the job with an accurate shot.

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Roadworthy · « **Reply #7 on:** August 10, 2019, 07:06:40 PM »

Lots of reasons to kill squirrels with a .177. I'll give you another - a couple of years ago a replacement Diana 34 barrel from Umarex was $160. Put that into your equation when calculating what to do. All my airguns are .177 and I can tell you from experience a head shot is instantly fatal to a ground squirrel, even at forty yards. I think they're just as dead hit by a .177 as they would be hit with a .22.

Bayman · « **Reply #8 on:** August 10, 2019, 07:15:17 PM »

Another thing NCED will eventually chime in on is flatter 177 trajectory makes shots easier over a distance. 22 might pack more wallop but you actually have to hit them in the right place to make it worth anything. I'd rather hit them in the head with a 177 pellet than the belly with a 22 cal pellet. Both will be lethal but you'll probably only recover one.
My point is head shots are easier to make with 177 as opposed to 22

cpool · « **Reply #9 on:** August 10, 2019, 07:26:37 PM »

After white fang worked on my gun and reading and watching videos I’ve improved a bunch with shooting this gun. Trying some different pellets to make sure I’m shooting the best one. Dome is all I’ve shot if I understand right that is the most accurate?

Bayman · « **Reply #10 on:** August 10, 2019, 08:52:40 PM »

Domes usually are the most accurate past 20 yards. There are lots of different domes to try. Some rifles will like one better than the rest. Other rifles are more forgiving. Your rifle should respond well to a mid weight pellets 8-10 grains.

UlteriorModem · « **Reply #11 on:** August 10, 2019, 08:55:01 PM »

Ahhh just get another gun, you know you want to!

Mark 611 · « **Reply #12 on:** August 10, 2019, 09:58:13 PM »

Theirs a guy out in CA who shoots ground squirrels with FWB300s running 650fps with 8.44gr JSB's and has no issues taking them out at 45 to 50yds with a well placed head shot! I'm sure ur 34 is running about 200fps faster then that!

shovelhead · « **Reply #13 on:** August 10, 2019, 10:13:01 PM »

Buy another any way. Cant' have to many . No enablers here

cpool · « **Reply #14 on:** August 10, 2019, 10:24:29 PM »

I’ll just have to give it a try after some more practice

prosportfan · « **Reply #15 on:** August 10, 2019, 11:27:58 PM »

Dude, a lot of people chimed in with their opinions, experiences and stories so let me add my 2 cents. I been shooting for a long time and in the begining when I actually got into airguns, now this is after the crosman & daisy pumpers, I fell for the speed hype. I bought a NPXL 1500 which supposed shot 1500fps. It was crosman's nitro piston break barrel and it was a .177. I had soooo many issues from the rip and if it wasnt for this and other airgun forums, well I would've be up s--t creek. I redid the barrel washers with the brass ones, I got the centering thing for the ram and a CDT trigger. Yeah those things made the rifle just a tad better and the artillery hold and getting the paralax adjusting situated which is a whole other deal. But when I started reading, asking questions and getting responses, I saved up and bought me a HW95 in 22cal, then I got a RX2 in 20cal, then I got a AA Prosport in 177cal then a RWS 54 AirKing in 22cal. Do you see the trend? German and Brittish. I love em and caliber is really just a preference. I never knew a squirrel at 30yds or a ground hog at 75yds (with my RX) could tell the difference between any caliber. But I'm pretty sure they would know the difference of a missed placed shot. I am confident in all my calibers and I wish I never sold my 95. Why? It was light, easy to cock, had open sights and accurate. My other rifles are not heavy, until you start lugging them around in the field for a while and fatigue will create missed shots and therefore a wounded animal. Basically what I am saying is don't get caught up in the calibers. If you want a 177, then buy a rifle in 177, preferably a HW or AA but none the less, learn your rifle and with some practice it will be second nature as to your shot placement. You have a good pedigree rifle. Learn it and enjoy it. Believe me when I tell you this, 9 out of 10 its not going to be your last.

Hoosier Daddy · « **Reply #16 on:** August 11, 2019, 12:11:00 AM »

Quote from: Mark 611 on August 10, 2019, 09:58:13 PM

Theirs a guy out in CA who shoots ground squirrels with FWB300s running 650fps with 8.44gr JSB's and has no issues taking them out at 45 to 50yds with a well placed head shot! I'm sure ur 34 is running about 200fps faster then that!

Who ever that guy is, I'd like to shoot my FWB 300s with him.
Sounds like a good time!
No more red squirrels around here.

DanD · « **Reply #17 on:** August 11, 2019, 12:52:14 AM »

A 34 in .177 will kill em just as dead as .22....
Maybe deader because the .177 will not give you a false sense of security where you think the bigger pellet will override imprecise shot placement- it won't. Don't just aim at the head, aim at a tiny spot on the head where the pellet will pass through the center of the brain at your given angle. Or aim at a tiny spot on the body where the pellet will pass through both lungs.
Also the flatter shooting .177 has a longer point blank range and less dramatic holdover at longer distances.
My goto squirrel gun is a chopped R9 in .177 that shot around 13.5 ft-lbs in my prime hunting days. It hit where I aimed and did not disappoint.
Not saying theres anything wrong with .22, just that you already have an excellent tool for the job.

BackStop · « **Reply #18 on:** August 11, 2019, 01:00:16 AM »

200+ tree rats (I stopped counting at about 200+) in less than 2 years with .177...

Shot placement is key, so accuracy is also key. Most were taken from 15-35 yards, but there were also quite a few from 30+ to 55 yards.

.177 is a good caliber for tree rats. Head shots are not a must, but do make for a clean DRT kill.

Horatio · « **Reply #19 on:** August 11, 2019, 08:16:48 AM »

You could ask Flying Dragon for a .22 B25 barrel. Maybe around 60$? It could be that the 34 will have a more agreeable shot cycle for you with a .22 barrel. But keep in mind you might have to clean up the Chinese barrel.

How far away are you shooting them? I just brained a rodent yesterday at 12 yards with a .25- but I put this gun together with yard distances in mind.

Also, the scope mount that comes in the 34p Kit is to high.

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