NOMAD COMPRESSOR DIED...HOW LONG DID YOURS LAST?

[gendoc]

Gendoc John, hows that hatsan Spark compressor doing? Still chugging along? How many hours do you have on it now?

These Sparks, Nomads, etc., I’ve always known this to be a gun fill only , and maybe Small tanks like the small guppy style tanks. Every time I hear of one of these going down it’s usually form someone trying to fill large tanks. For the life of me, why would anyone try and treat these mini compressors to act like a big boy compressor? Same with those Yong Heng types. Those are mainly for gun and small tanks only. The few I read about that have trouble free Yong Hengs, they follow the instructions and do gun and small tanks ONLY.

Still chuggin....last time I noticed, it had just turned 9hr  IIRC....

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"ANY"...Jeez...three pages of what???  Never expected that amount of garbage from supposedly "intelligent air gunners".  There is ALWAYS some jokers but this amount is ridiculous.

Can't believe the logic behind some of the comments.  I DON'T NEED OR WANT a $5.000.00 compressor for the number of guns I have and neither do most others...if that is what YOU NEED then go for it...how many diss on YOU for doing something I think is total overkill.  I can buy 25-30 "cheap" compressors and if they last 6 months each I will STILL come out ahead.

All you have to do is look in the net...it's only the pi**-off ones that cry and whine all over the net...if you go cheap then you have TO EXPECT the problems that are scattered all over the net and not so good IT UP...all those cheap compressors that are doing great jobs are hardly ever mentioned and there a thousand of them all over the world.

My  Nomad lasted almost on year and would probably still be chugging along except for the brownout...it could certainly be called a "cheap one" even at 600 bucks  and was designed for limited use.  I just got an email that said it will take 4-6 weeks to repair...THAT doesn't bode well in my thinking and one reason I WON'T be buying another Air Venturi compressor, large OR small capacity.

My first YH went south in 4 days BUT I got ALL my money back on it and I ordered another with the "cyclone" head, 220 V and 6000 psi top end.  Lots of good reports on that one AND some bad ones...AND there were plenty of "BAD" reports for the Air Venturi and Hatsan "big" compressors.

You want a high dollar one then go buy one and be happy, but DON'T diss on those that go for economy or only need a "cheep one", that's total mindless baloney besides being mindless of what others requirements are.

Oh...by the way...my Nomad stunk a bit also...THAT IS THE COMPRESSOR OIL NOT WHERE THE COMPRESSOR CAME FROM...where are your minds???

Good Shooting

[Rabbit\Squirrel Killer]

I don’t have a Nomad, I just joined in out of curiosity, to see the answer to your question.

But I still will never know if Kimchi tastes good. NOPE   

[mobilehomer]

Fred, I'm with you. "you should have spent more" is NOT a good response to a problem! I have a Yong Heng from Amazon. Great little pump.

[Rabbit\Squirrel Killer]

I always tend to get the best I think I need, instead of the least I can get by with. for me I got the Air Venturi and have no problems with mine, (other than using it less than what would really justify the cost of it!) $5,000 I would not reach that far and think that is for more than personal use too. The cheap Chinese compressors are probably going to have mixed reviews and QC issues but the number of them that add up to the same price may be worth it to some people. Sure I want that $5,000 dollar compressor someone bought and then hardly ever used it and now is selling for peanuts because they lost interest, except I don't need it!

[PCPhack]

One interesting thing is that the buyers of cheap compressors will likely come out ahead over time, as the Chinese are great at making product improvements, so later models might break even less. That is, unless they also further cheapen the materials.

Anyway, I paid for an Alpha Carette and even it had a failure after a few months that required me to rebuild it with free replacement parts, so they all can and do break.

Another aspect to consider is the duty cycle it is needed for. If pumping constantly for a scuba shop or for a club, then obviously a high end compressor is the right answer. For Joe hobbyist shooting on the weekend, a YH is probably just fine.

[Thane]

I don’t have a Nomad, I just joined in out of curiosity, to see the answer to your question.

But I still will never know if Kimchi tastes good. NOPE   

...but have you tried Sauerkraut? Delicious, yes?

[Rabbit\Squirrel Killer]

I don’t have a Nomad, I just joined in out of curiosity, to see the answer to your question.

But I still will never know if Kimchi tastes good. NOPE   

...but have you tried Sauerkraut? Delicious, yes?

Funny thing, the only way I will eat rye bread or sauerkraut is a Ruben sandwich, and I love a good Ruben sandwich.

[Thane]

Kimchi is fermented the same way as Sauerkraut, just spiced up.

Docent Brewery in San Juan Capistrano serves a Kimchi Rueben paired with a scottish ale and you'll be a convert.

My treat if your in the area, makes me hungry just thinking about it.

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Yeah...I like Kimchi and sauerkraut and other fermented veggies...never thought the odor was bad...even made some Kimchi,(not quite like the store bought) it isn't all that hard.  Fermented things are great especially the ALCOHOLIC ones...hahahahahahaha...I'm a  totally extreme predator/carnivore but I DO KNOW how to supplement to get my required bodily needs.

I DON'T limit myself in any way, shape or form if I can help it.  Many forget there is a very LARGE world OUTSIDE our individual tiny worlds...we can only suggest, it's up to the individual to accept or reject knowledge from other sources...remember the horse and water adage.

My latest acquisition should be here tomorrow...if it doesn't work I will try the next pricey compressor around the $500.00 mark.  Trouble is most all come from China and seem to have similar motor/compressor parts.

You pays yo'money and takes yo' chances...doesn't matter WHAT it is you're buying or WHERE it's from...this is a WORLD WIDE economy now.

Good Shooting.

[Rabbit\Squirrel Killer]

Yeah...I like Kimchi and sauerkraut and other fermented veggies...never thought the odor was bad...even made some Kimchi,(not quite like the store bought) it isn't all that hard.  Fermented things are great especially the ALCOHOLIC ones...hahahahahahaha...I'm a  totally extreme predator/carnivore but I DO KNOW how to supplement to get my required bodily needs.

I DON'T limit myself in any way, shape or form if I can help it.  Many forget there is a very LARGE world OUTSIDE our individual tiny worlds...we can only suggest, it's up to the individual to accept or reject knowledge from other sources...remember the horse and water adage.

My latest acquisition should be here tomorrow...if it doesn't work I will try the next pricey compressor around the $500.00 mark.  Trouble is most all come from China and seem to have similar motor/compressor parts.

You pays yo'money and takes yo' chances...doesn't matter WHAT it is you're buying or WHERE it's from...this is a WORLD WIDE economy now.

Good Shooting.

I have a very sensitive sense of smell and can assure you it smells bad, at least the brands I have been close to.

[Alan B]

There is another, less expensive way to protect equipment against brownouts. A low voltage dropout relay or circuit breaker (also called under voltage). Basically it shuts off the power if the voltage drops below a set value, like 100 volts. We used circuit breakers that had this feature for some systems that were sensitive.

Good luck with your Nomad.

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Thanks Alan...I will have to look into that...I basically need a whole house circuit breaker tho'...living in the boonie-weeds and at the end of the line power line low voltage is a re-occurring theme.

One mans' delicious is another mans' poison, so to speak...ain't no thang, bro...my sense of smell was killed many, MANY years ago which means I can't taste much either, but I STILL like the tang of sour things.

Good Hunting.

[Rabbit\Squirrel Killer]

One mans' delicious is another mans' poison, so to speak...ain't no thang, bro...my sense of smell was killed many, MANY years ago which means I can't taste much either, but I STILL like the tang of sour things.

I do love HOT Spicy foods that's far too hot for most Mexicans. I don't feel the heat from most chili peppers too much. Spicy doesn't give me heartburn either which I get from eating acidic foods.

[Marc In Iowa]

12v DC

To protect against low voltage, you need a very expensive power conditioner.

Or ... just a  $40 12v battery or $50 jump start battery?





Hatsan Spark + battery?

[avator]

Takes 20 seconds or less to top off a gun with the YH type compressors.... If your kicking breakers within that 20 seconds or less you may have other issues.

[UlteriorModem]

There is another, less expensive way to protect equipment against brownouts. A low voltage dropout relay or circuit breaker (also called under voltage). Basically it shuts off the power if the voltage drops below a set value, like 100 volts. We used circuit breakers that had this feature for some systems that were sensitive.

Good luck with your Nomad.

Not a bad idea but one of the problems is loosing power to or turning off the compressor without releving pressure in the system is a bad thing regardless. Same with turning it on with the bleed screws closed.

I would guess that the inrush current of starting the compressor with the bleed valves closed is many many times higher than a 'normal' start, also of longer duration as the rotor is basically locked. And yes that can lead to instintanious trip as it should. The breaker 'sees' a dead short more or less.

Another issue can be the length of the conductors between the compressor and the circuit breaker. This includes extension cords etc. This can lead to voltage drop which causes increased current draw especially at start up which will cause a voltage dip in and of itself.

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I ran the Y.H. off a 30 amp c.b. and a 10 gauge, 25 ft extension...shouldn't be much resistance there.  I'm not convinced about the bleed down vs normal running pumping pressure...seems like a good thing to do but also could be one of those "URBAN MYTHS" that gets started on the net and doesn't die...not really worth arguing over...do it the way YOU want to, I did it as a matter of course on both the first Y.H. and Nomad just to be "safe".

I have BOTH battery set-ups in my run-around rigs...loosing a battery out in the weeds or running one down where I go is a sure way be become coyote bait...I'm 78, fat, broken down, and can hardly walk so I DON'T need that kind of BS...PLUS my Y.H. doesn't have 12 volt capabilities and I don't want to spend MORE MONEY on converters, inverters or other monkey  motion setups...my newest Y.H. is a 220 V unit and I will run that off my 60 amp lathe/mill feed.

I won't see my repaired Nomad for another month, if that...but the Y.H. is due here tomorrow via UPS as per email from UPS. 

Hope that is true as I'm running out of air very fast...that 357 Hercules not so good air like my buddies not so good beer...if I don't lock the fridge. and I'm down to 150 bar in two of my guns and MT on my 22 cal Gauntlet.  I've been saving my 62 CI bottled 25 cal AF and 25 cal Air Wolf as a last resort.

The Y.H. will get a workout topping everything off and filling my 6.8 L "buddy" tank.

Good Shooting.  WHAT THE H IS GOING ON...EVERY TIME I USE THE WORD "S..UCK" IT GETS CHANGED TO SOMETHING ELSE...THIS IS TOTALLY  MINDLESS

[avator]

Fred..... the forum has no age limits... you know..
8 to 80, blind, crippled or crazy? We are also an International forum.... I understand the auto edit is either on or off, it's not word for word customizable.
We just want to be as member friendly as possible.
I've always said... we all know right from wrong.... the issue is, the line that separates the two lies in a different location for each of us.
Good luck with your new YH.

[Alan B]

Not a bad idea but one of the problems is loosing power to or turning off the compressor without releving pressure in the system is a bad thing regardless. Same with turning it on with the bleed screws closed.

I would guess that the inrush current of starting the compressor with the bleed valves closed is many many times higher than a 'normal' start, also of longer duration as the rotor is basically locked. And yes that can lead to instintanious trip as it should. The breaker 'sees' a dead short more or less.

Another issue can be the length of the conductors between the compressor and the circuit breaker. This includes extension cords etc. This can lead to voltage drop which causes increased current draw especially at start up which will cause a voltage dip in and of itself.

Starting under load is asking for trouble. Definitely want to avoid that.

Shutting down while under load is not really a problem. You do want to clear the moisture by running the compressor for a time with the bleed valve open. After it trips off just open the bleed valve and restart the compressor. Even if the voltage is a little low, the goal here is to drive the moisture out of the compressor to avoid corrosion from the condensate sitting in the compressor. That won't take much power, and it doesn't matter if it is a few minutes later.