carbon wrap

[boonez40]

I am thinking about trying to carbin wrap my factory Texan barrel for stiffness. I got it wrapped around my head. Lol.
Any thoughts ?

[rsterne]

The thicker the CF sleeve you use, the stiffer the barrel will be.... However, I think the Texan barrel is turned down where it fits into the receiver, which may eliminated any possibility of improvement.... I suggest you contact dyotat100 by PM for advice....

Bob

[boonez40]

The thicker the CF sleeve you use, the stiffer the barrel will be.... However, I think the Texan barrel is turned down where it fits into the receiver, which may eliminated any possibility of improvement.... I suggest you contact dyotat100 by PM for advice....

Bob

I thought about that, but what if you wrapped from the 2nd barel bushing out to the end of the barrel. Do you think adding stiffness to the last half of the barrel would improve the vibration and any barrel whip as the bullet exits the muzzle. If anything it would improve the cosmetics of the barrel.

[Frank in Fairfield]

I bought carbon fiber tape intended for your car/truck dashboard..
I think it looks fine:
Even with the LDC:

[rsterne]

That carbon wrap tape does nothing but make it look pretty.... If that is your goal, then go for it....

Bob

[KnifeMaker]

I wold open the bushings. Both of them. It will take both and the carbon fiber tubing to do what you want.


I have two thick cf tubes fitted to the RS barrel. made a huge difference!


Knife

[Frank in Fairfield]

In my case the “BARREL” is encased inside of the shroud.
Nothing I put around the shroud will have any effect on the “BARREL”.

[boonez40]

I wold open the bushings. Both of them. It will take both and the carbon fiber tubing to do what you want.


I have two thick cf tubes fitted to the RS barrel. made a huge difference!




Knife

Do you have a source to acquire the carbon?

[frank320]

I am thinking about trying to carbin wrap my factory Texan barrel for stiffness. I got it wrapped around my head. Lol.
Any thoughts ?

To do it right requires a very complicated process:
https://proofresearch.com/barrels/

It is a lot more than "just" wrapping a cosmetic carbon fiber sheet around your barrel. My long range precision 6.5 PRC rifle has a Proof Research Carbon Fiber barrel. The barrel alone costs $1k. It saves weight and is stiffer, but the manufacturing process is expensive, complicated and not DIY.

[BackStop]

I am thinking about trying to carbin wrap my factory Texan barrel for stiffness. I got it wrapped around my head. Lol.
Any thoughts ?

To do it right requires a very complicated process:
https://proofresearch.com/barrels/

It is a lot more than "just" wrapping a cosmetic carbon fiber sheet around your barrel. My long range precision 6.5 PRC rifle has a Proof Research Carbon Fiber barrel. The barrel alone costs $1k. It saves weight and is stiffer, but the manufacturing process is expensive, complicated and not DIY.

I know nothing about this, but would you say $1000+/- for the barrel was really worth it?

BTW, I will never spend that much on an air gun, let alone just a barrel.

Then again... TETO  (to each their own)

[frank320]

I am thinking about trying to carbin wrap my factory Texan barrel for stiffness. I got it wrapped around my head. Lol.
Any thoughts ?

To do it right requires a very complicated process:
https://proofresearch.com/barrels/

It is a lot more than "just" wrapping a cosmetic carbon fiber sheet around your barrel. My long range precision 6.5 PRC rifle has a Proof Research Carbon Fiber barrel. The barrel alone costs $1k. It saves weight and is stiffer, but the manufacturing process is expensive, complicated and not DIY.

I know nothing about this, but would you say $1000+/- for the barrel was really worth it?

Great question. This $1k Proof Research Barrel was going on a custom Long Range Precision rifle (powder burner, 6.5 PRC) that was to double up as a hunting rifle. The rifle itself came up to about $4.5k with the Proof barrel, and when you add a $2.5K scope, $250 scope mount, $400 bipod.... the $1k barrel is par for the course for an over $8k rig at $2 per round.

The 26 inch Proof Research Carbon barrel saved about 3 pounds of weight, was stiffer, more resilient and had better dissipation of heat. It is also supposed to be consistent round after round as the inner steel barrel temperature changes, while the carbon surrounding the inner barrel is stiffer and less resistant to stresses.

If it was a benchrest long range precision rifle where weight is not a factor, i say skip the carbon barrel. But for a dual purpose hunting/long range rifle, that might get bumped around, and carried around, probably worth it.

[boonez40]

I am thinking about trying to carbin wrap my factory Texan barrel for stiffness. I got it wrapped around my head. Lol.
Any thoughts ?

To do it right requires a very complicated process:
https://proofresearch.com/barrels/

It is a lot more than "just" wrapping a cosmetic carbon fiber sheet around your barrel. My long range precision 6.5 PRC rifle has a Proof Research Carbon Fiber barrel. The barrel alone costs $1k. It saves weight and is stiffer, but the manufacturing process is expensive, complicated and not DIY.

I know nothing about this, but would you say $1000+/- for the barrel was really worth it?

Great question. This $1k Proof Research Barrel was going on a custom Long Range Precision rifle (powder burner, 6.5 PRC) that was to double up as a hunting rifle. The rifle itself came up to about $4.5k with the Proof barrel, and when you add a $2.5K scope, $250 scope mount, $400 bipod.... the $1k barrel is par for the course for an over $8k rig at $2 per round.

The 26 inch Proof Research Carbon barrel saved about 3 pounds of weight, was stiffer, more resilient and had better dissipation of heat. It is also supposed to be consistent round after round as the inner steel barrel temperature changes, while the carbon surrounding the inner barrel is stiffer and less resistant to stresses.

If it was a benchrest long range precision rifle where weight is not a factor, i say skip the carbon barrel. But for a dual purpose hunting/long range rifle, that might get bumped around, and carried around, probably worth it.

Hmmmmmm, 8.5 k for a hunting rifle, that thing should really say something. Maybe even do the reloading fir you.

So back to the DIY, I do believe it is a pretty easy process on a strait barrel with no contor to it. Simple find a carbon sleave with an inside diameter that of the outside diameter of the barrel. One might have to do some prep and add  some epoxy to hold the carbon in place. But I believe it can be done.

2.5 k scope, that is some dr/lawyer hype right there. It's over kill and not needed. WW II snipers did it with just a strait 10 power mounted to a 4 groove A3. Maybe one would need more of a scope for competition shooting but I am hunting for meat and have never taken an animal over 200 yards and that was with iron sight on a smoke pole 58 cal muzzleloader. 
400.00 bipods is another not neeed item to just weigh you down, simple bag rest loaded with saw dust or a backpack does just as well.
As for the only thing I do agree with you on is the scope mount. A high quality mount is needed for long range. But again not a must to take game. I have an old 30/30 and and a nice mount on the wall of a 9 point taken at 700 yards.

The barrel, well that is another subject, as I have seen factory barrel out perform a custom barrel once a guy developed a load that his gun really loved.

[BackStop]

I am thinking about trying to carbin wrap my factory Texan barrel for stiffness. I got it wrapped around my head. Lol.
Any thoughts ?

To do it right requires a very complicated process:
https://proofresearch.com/barrels/

It is a lot more than "just" wrapping a cosmetic carbon fiber sheet around your barrel. My long range precision 6.5 PRC rifle has a Proof Research Carbon Fiber barrel. The barrel alone costs $1k. It saves weight and is stiffer, but the manufacturing process is expensive, complicated and not DIY.

I know nothing about this, but would you say $1000+/- for the barrel was really worth it?

Great question. This $1k Proof Research Barrel was going on a custom Long Range Precision rifle (powder burner, 6.5 PRC) that was to double up as a hunting rifle. The rifle itself came up to about $4.5k with the Proof barrel, and when you add a $2.5K scope, $250 scope mount, $400 bipod.... the $1k barrel is par for the course for an over $8k rig at $2 per round.

The 26 inch Proof Research Carbon barrel saved about 3 pounds of weight, was stiffer, more resilient and had better dissipation of heat. It is also supposed to be consistent round after round as the inner steel barrel temperature changes, while the carbon surrounding the inner barrel is stiffer and less resistant to stresses.

If it was a benchrest long range precision rifle where weight is not a factor, i say skip the carbon barrel. But for a dual purpose hunting/long range rifle, that might get bumped around, and carried around, probably worth it.

Hmmmmmm, 8.5 k for a hunting rifle, that thing should really say something. Maybe even do the reloading fir you.

So back to the DIY, I do believe it is a pretty easy process on a strait barrel with no contor to it. Simple find a carbon sleave with an inside diameter that of the outside diameter of the barrel. One might have to do some prep and add  some epoxy to hold the carbon in place. But I believe it can be done.

2.5 k scope, that is some dr/lawyer hype right there. It's over kill and not needed. WW II snipers did it with just a strait 10 power mounted to a 4 groove A3. Maybe one would need more of a scope for competition shooting but I am hunting for meat and have never taken an animal over 200 yards and that was with iron sight on a smoke pole 58 cal muzzleloader. 
400.00 bipods is another not neeed item to just weigh you down, simple bag rest loaded with saw dust or a backpack does just as well.
As for the only thing I do agree with you on is the scope mount. A high quality mount is needed for long range. But again not a must to take game. I have an old 30/30 and and a nice mount on the wall of a 9 point taken at 700 yards.

The barrel, well that is another subject, as I have seen factory barrel out perform a custom barrel once a guy developed a load that his gun really loved.

+10

Some people have more $$$$ than sense.

[frank320]

I am thinking about trying to carbin wrap my factory Texan barrel for stiffness. I got it wrapped around my head. Lol.
Any thoughts ?

To do it right requires a very complicated process:
https://proofresearch.com/barrels/

It is a lot more than "just" wrapping a cosmetic carbon fiber sheet around your barrel. My long range precision 6.5 PRC rifle has a Proof Research Carbon Fiber barrel. The barrel alone costs $1k. It saves weight and is stiffer, but the manufacturing process is expensive, complicated and not DIY.

I know nothing about this, but would you say $1000+/- for the barrel was really worth it?

Great question. This $1k Proof Research Barrel was going on a custom Long Range Precision rifle (powder burner, 6.5 PRC) that was to double up as a hunting rifle. The rifle itself came up to about $4.5k with the Proof barrel, and when you add a $2.5K scope, $250 scope mount, $400 bipod.... the $1k barrel is par for the course for an over $8k rig at $2 per round.

The 26 inch Proof Research Carbon barrel saved about 3 pounds of weight, was stiffer, more resilient and had better dissipation of heat. It is also supposed to be consistent round after round as the inner steel barrel temperature changes, while the carbon surrounding the inner barrel is stiffer and less resistant to stresses.

If it was a benchrest long range precision rifle where weight is not a factor, i say skip the carbon barrel. But for a dual purpose hunting/long range rifle, that might get bumped around, and carried around, probably worth it.

Hmmmmmm, 8.5 k for a hunting rifle, that thing should really say something. Maybe even do the reloading fir you.

So back to the DIY, I do believe it is a pretty easy process on a strait barrel with no contor to it. Simple find a carbon sleave with an inside diameter that of the outside diameter of the barrel. One might have to do some prep and add  some epoxy to hold the carbon in place. But I believe it can be done.

2.5 k scope, that is some dr/lawyer hype right there. It's over kill and not needed. WW II snipers did it with just a strait 10 power mounted to a 4 groove A3. Maybe one would need more of a scope for competition shooting but I am hunting for meat and have never taken an animal over 200 yards and that was with iron sight on a smoke pole 58 cal muzzleloader. 
400.00 bipods is another not neeed item to just weigh you down, simple bag rest loaded with saw dust or a backpack does just as well.
As for the only thing I do agree with you on is the scope mount. A high quality mount is needed for long range. But again not a must to take game. I have an old 30/30 and and a nice mount on the wall of a 9 point taken at 700 yards.

The barrel, well that is another subject, as I have seen factory barrel out perform a custom barrel once a guy developed a load that his gun really loved.

+10

Some people have more $$$$ than sense.

If you know anything about long range precision rifle setups, you will know that the setup above is probably par for the course, or below average - https://forum.snipershide.com/
I like high quality, well built things. Your blanket statement equates folks who drive nicer cars, live in nicer houses and love to collect as folks with more $$$ than sense.

Just because I can afford to buy things I like and want instead of just having enough to buy things I need, does not mean I have more $$$ than sense.

[BackStop]

I am thinking about trying to carbin wrap my factory Texan barrel for stiffness. I got it wrapped around my head. Lol.
Any thoughts ?

To do it right requires a very complicated process:
https://proofresearch.com/barrels/

It is a lot more than "just" wrapping a cosmetic carbon fiber sheet around your barrel. My long range precision 6.5 PRC rifle has a Proof Research Carbon Fiber barrel. The barrel alone costs $1k. It saves weight and is stiffer, but the manufacturing process is expensive, complicated and not DIY.

I know nothing about this, but would you say $1000+/- for the barrel was really worth it?

Great question. This $1k Proof Research Barrel was going on a custom Long Range Precision rifle (powder burner, 6.5 PRC) that was to double up as a hunting rifle. The rifle itself came up to about $4.5k with the Proof barrel, and when you add a $2.5K scope, $250 scope mount, $400 bipod.... the $1k barrel is par for the course for an over $8k rig at $2 per round.

The 26 inch Proof Research Carbon barrel saved about 3 pounds of weight, was stiffer, more resilient and had better dissipation of heat. It is also supposed to be consistent round after round as the inner steel barrel temperature changes, while the carbon surrounding the inner barrel is stiffer and less resistant to stresses.

If it was a benchrest long range precision rifle where weight is not a factor, i say skip the carbon barrel. But for a dual purpose hunting/long range rifle, that might get bumped around, and carried around, probably worth it.

Hmmmmmm, 8.5 k for a hunting rifle, that thing should really say something. Maybe even do the reloading fir you.

So back to the DIY, I do believe it is a pretty easy process on a strait barrel with no contor to it. Simple find a carbon sleave with an inside diameter that of the outside diameter of the barrel. One might have to do some prep and add  some epoxy to hold the carbon in place. But I believe it can be done.

2.5 k scope, that is some dr/lawyer hype right there. It's over kill and not needed. WW II snipers did it with just a strait 10 power mounted to a 4 groove A3. Maybe one would need more of a scope for competition shooting but I am hunting for meat and have never taken an animal over 200 yards and that was with iron sight on a smoke pole 58 cal muzzleloader. 
400.00 bipods is another not neeed item to just weigh you down, simple bag rest loaded with saw dust or a backpack does just as well.
As for the only thing I do agree with you on is the scope mount. A high quality mount is needed for long range. But again not a must to take game. I have an old 30/30 and and a nice mount on the wall of a 9 point taken at 700 yards.

The barrel, well that is another subject, as I have seen factory barrel out perform a custom barrel once a guy developed a load that his gun really loved.

+10

Some people have more $$$$ than sense.

If you know anything about long range precision rifle setups, you will know that the setup above is probably par for the course, or below average - https://forum.snipershide.com/
I like high quality, well built things. Your blanket statement equates folks who drive nicer cars, live in nicer houses and love to collect as folks with more $$$ than sense.

Just because I can afford to buy things I like and want instead of just having enough to buy things I need, does not mean I have more $$$ than sense.

To each their own.   I am more economical.  I have had to be all my life.

Never had that type of money to invest in a rifle and there are people who can out shoot that rifle with much less $$$$.

Nothing personal...  if that is how you want to spend your money and you have that much money to spend, GO FOR IT!

It just seems extremely extravagant to me.   Of course there are folks who think spending $200 for a dinner for one is cheap too...

I stand by my previous post.

[boonez40]

I am thinking about trying to carbin wrap my factory Texan barrel for stiffness. I got it wrapped around my head. Lol.
Any thoughts ?

To do it right requires a very complicated process:
https://proofresearch.com/barrels/

It is a lot more than "just" wrapping a cosmetic carbon fiber sheet around your barrel. My long range precision 6.5 PRC rifle has a Proof Research Carbon Fiber barrel. The barrel alone costs $1k. It saves weight and is stiffer, but the manufacturing process is expensive, complicated and not DIY.

I know nothing about this, but would you say $1000+/- for the barrel was really worth it?

Great question. This $1k Proof Research Barrel was going on a custom Long Range Precision rifle (powder burner, 6.5 PRC) that was to double up as a hunting rifle. The rifle itself came up to about $4.5k with the Proof barrel, and when you add a $2.5K scope, $250 scope mount, $400 bipod.... the $1k barrel is par for the course for an over $8k rig at $2 per round.

The 26 inch Proof Research Carbon barrel saved about 3 pounds of weight, was stiffer, more resilient and had better dissipation of heat. It is also supposed to be consistent round after round as the inner steel barrel temperature changes, while the carbon surrounding the inner barrel is stiffer and less resistant to stresses.

If it was a benchrest long range precision rifle where weight is not a factor, i say skip the carbon barrel. But for a dual purpose hunting/long range rifle, that might get bumped around, and carried around, probably worth it.

Hmmmmmm, 8.5 k for a hunting rifle, that thing should really say something. Maybe even do the reloading fir you.

So back to the DIY, I do believe it is a pretty easy process on a strait barrel with no contor to it. Simple find a carbon sleave with an inside diameter that of the outside diameter of the barrel. One might have to do some prep and add  some epoxy to hold the carbon in place. But I believe it can be done.

2.5 k scope, that is some dr/lawyer hype right there. It's over kill and not needed. WW II snipers did it with just a strait 10 power mounted to a 4 groove A3. Maybe one would need more of a scope for competition shooting but I am hunting for meat and have never taken an animal over 200 yards and that was with iron sight on a smoke pole 58 cal muzzleloader. 
400.00 bipods is another not neeed item to just weigh you down, simple bag rest loaded with saw dust or a backpack does just as well.
As for the only thing I do agree with you on is the scope mount. A high quality mount is needed for long range. But again not a must to take game. I have an old 30/30 and and a nice mount on the wall of a 9 point taken at 700 yards.

The barrel, well that is another subject, as I have seen factory barrel out perform a custom barrel once a guy developed a load that his gun really loved.

+10

Some people have more $$$$ than sense.

If you know anything about long range precision rifle setups, you will know that the setup above is probably par for the course, or below average - https://forum.snipershide.com/
I like high quality, well built things. Your blanket statement equates folks who drive nicer cars, live in nicer houses and love to collect as folks with more $$$ than sense.

Just because I can afford to buy things I like and want instead of just having enough to buy things I need, does not mean I have more $$$ than sense.

Lol, do not get butt hurt on me, after all you are the one that came on here to brow beat me with a price tag. I am simple telling you that the  Southern Shooting Times price tag doesnt equate to better set up.

[frank320]

I am thinking about trying to carbin wrap my factory Texan barrel for stiffness. I got it wrapped around my head. Lol.
Any thoughts ?

To do it right requires a very complicated process:
https://proofresearch.com/barrels/

It is a lot more than "just" wrapping a cosmetic carbon fiber sheet around your barrel. My long range precision 6.5 PRC rifle has a Proof Research Carbon Fiber barrel. The barrel alone costs $1k. It saves weight and is stiffer, but the manufacturing process is expensive, complicated and not DIY.

I know nothing about this, but would you say $1000+/- for the barrel was really worth it?

Great question. This $1k Proof Research Barrel was going on a custom Long Range Precision rifle (powder burner, 6.5 PRC) that was to double up as a hunting rifle. The rifle itself came up to about $4.5k with the Proof barrel, and when you add a $2.5K scope, $250 scope mount, $400 bipod.... the $1k barrel is par for the course for an over $8k rig at $2 per round.

The 26 inch Proof Research Carbon barrel saved about 3 pounds of weight, was stiffer, more resilient and had better dissipation of heat. It is also supposed to be consistent round after round as the inner steel barrel temperature changes, while the carbon surrounding the inner barrel is stiffer and less resistant to stresses.

If it was a benchrest long range precision rifle where weight is not a factor, i say skip the carbon barrel. But for a dual purpose hunting/long range rifle, that might get bumped around, and carried around, probably worth it.

Hmmmmmm, 8.5 k for a hunting rifle, that thing should really say something. Maybe even do the reloading fir you.

So back to the DIY, I do believe it is a pretty easy process on a strait barrel with no contor to it. Simple find a carbon sleave with an inside diameter that of the outside diameter of the barrel. One might have to do some prep and add  some epoxy to hold the carbon in place. But I believe it can be done.

2.5 k scope, that is some dr/lawyer hype right there. It's over kill and not needed. WW II snipers did it with just a strait 10 power mounted to a 4 groove A3. Maybe one would need more of a scope for competition shooting but I am hunting for meat and have never taken an animal over 200 yards and that was with iron sight on a smoke pole 58 cal muzzleloader. 
400.00 bipods is another not neeed item to just weigh you down, simple bag rest loaded with saw dust or a backpack does just as well.
As for the only thing I do agree with you on is the scope mount. A high quality mount is needed for long range. But again not a must to take game. I have an old 30/30 and and a nice mount on the wall of a 9 point taken at 700 yards.

The barrel, well that is another subject, as I have seen factory barrel out perform a custom barrel once a guy developed a load that his gun really loved.

+10

Some people have more $$$$ than sense.

If you know anything about long range precision rifle setups, you will know that the setup above is probably par for the course, or below average - https://forum.snipershide.com/
I like high quality, well built things. Your blanket statement equates folks who drive nicer cars, live in nicer houses and love to collect as folks with more $$$ than sense.

Just because I can afford to buy things I like and want instead of just having enough to buy things I need, does not mean I have more $$$ than sense.

Lol, do not get butt hurt on me, after all you are the one that came on here to brow beat me with a price tag. I am simple telling you that the  Southern Shooting Times price tag doesnt equate to better set up.

lol. understood. The point i was trying to make was that in order to really benefit from a carbon fiber barrel, you need to more than just wrap it. The barrel mounting also has to be stiffened up. I am just not sure it makes sense for an airgun barrel other than weight savings. But even to achieve weight savings, you will have to grind the barrel down and then wrap it in carbon fiber.

Just wrapping a carbon fiber barrel around the existing steel barrel without the proper equipment probably won't really stiffen the barrel?

[K.O.]

It will stiffen the barrel..

Heck in a Mrod the .22 barrels are .4375 that does not leave a lot of wall thickness... I think even sleeving it with t6 temper 6061 .5" O.D. .028 wall will help some... if put in a .25 Mrod breech... especially if you have a means of indexing the barrel before making the port...

these are not HIGH fpe rifles  different solutions work because of that.. the HUGE fpe difference makes it an apples and pumpkins comparison...

[boonez40]

I had to shorten the quote down. Just getting out of hand with the length. I agree, wrapping the barrel will do nothing for it.
I am not worried about weight, so turning the barrel down on a lathe is not what I am looking to achieve.
I will keep the barrel at it's current diameter and purchase CF tubes and layer the barrel with different diameters to achieve a bull barrel thus stiffening it up.