Some don't clean their AG bores, I'm not one of them.

[lizzie]

Great information Ed...thank you!
I probably tend to discount a dirty barrel as a cause for accuracy changes, but I currently have a couple of guns I am going to test this idea on.

[fwbsport]

So Ed you're ahead of me here with the actual Hoppe's #9! I'm proud of you with dated pictures too! Years ago!

Yeah the warnings are there not to use solvents but only oils not solvent oils.  But to be honest Hoppe's #9 is the finest perfume I've ever smelled!  Used it all my firearm life and stayed with the original instead of buying into the extra powerful copper solving type.  Never use it on an air gun!  But now I know it's okay to do so.

Somebody mentioned a RAW TM-1000. Mine is low serial number TM0171.  I have never cleaned it as it is also Carbon Shrouded.  However, I can say if I really want to put a pellet EXACTLY somewhere between 10 to 70 yards I'd choose the TM 1000 every time!

I do not displace the value of springers as I mostly have them, but if I really was serious about using a 10.5 grain .177 pellet it will come out of the TM-1000.  It is regulated and velocity is faster than my prized springers (most of them and with a velocity close enough to 950 fps that'll exceed most springers).  Lots of shots too.  Don't go below 45 shots or so to stay in the sweet zone at 200 BAR to 180 or so BAR.

Since the TM is a target gun I would imagine thought to long use without cleaning is a priority.  Wonder if the TM bore is polished. 

[nced]

So Ed you're ahead of me here with the actual Hoppe's #9! I'm proud of you with dated pictures too! Years ago!

Yeah the warnings are there not to use solvents but only oils not solvent oils.  But to be honest Hoppe's #9 is the finest perfume I've ever smelled!  Used it all my firearm life and stayed with the original instead of buying into the extra powerful copper solving type.  Never use it on an air gun!  But now I know it's okay to do so.

Somebody mentioned a RAW TM-1000. Mine is low serial number TM0171.  I have never cleaned it as it is also Carbon Shrouded.  However, I can say if I really want to put a pellet EXACTLY somewhere between 10 to 70 yards I'd choose the TM 1000 every time!

I do not displace the value of springers as I mostly have them, but if I really was serious about using a 10.5 grain .177 pellet it will come out of the TM-1000.  It is regulated and velocity is faster than my prized springers (most of them and with a velocity close enough to 950 fps that'll exceed most springers).  Lots of shots too.  Don't go below 45 shots or so to stay in the sweet zone at 200 BAR to 180 or so BAR.

Since the TM is a target gun I would imagine thought to long use without cleaning is a priority.  Wonder if the TM bore is polished. 

"Hoppe's #9 is the finest perfume I've ever smelled!"
Ahhhhh.....so ya likes this stuff..........


LOL....there is a reason the field target competitions are divided into PCP and Piston classes, it's so easy to shoot a PCP accurately that a trained orangutan with a PCP could score higher than a piston shooter. I personally believe that one of the advantages of the PCP is what you mentioned, heavy high speed pellets with flat trajectories and wind resistance. Still.....at the National Field target match I attended in Heflin, AL a few years back the match high score was shot by a WFTF class shooter (<12fpe). That score bested the rest of the <20fpe PCP shooters. LOL.....seems that perhaps it's the SHOOTER and not the equipment at times. By the way, I was the sole hunter class piston shooter entry that year!

A few years ago piston class shooters were well represented at the matches but not so much over the last few years with most piston shooters moving over to the "easier to shoot accurately" PCP classes. I guess a lot of the reasons for this is the fact that the range masters are increasing the match difficulties to accommodate the PCPs. I was at a match this past Saturday (the my dirty bore fiasco) and there were quite a few targets that were placed where they would simply be "lottery shots" for me with my HW95, even if all was working perfectly. 

[fwbsport]

So Ed you're ahead of me here with the actual Hoppe's #9! I'm proud of you with dated pictures too! Years ago!

Yeah the warnings are there not to use solvents but only oils not solvent oils.  But to be honest Hoppe's #9 is the finest perfume I've ever smelled!  Used it all my firearm life and stayed with the original instead of buying into the extra powerful copper solving type.  Never use it on an air gun!  But now I know it's okay to do so.

Somebody mentioned a RAW TM-1000. Mine is low serial number TM0171.  I have never cleaned it as it is also Carbon Shrouded.  However, I can say if I really want to put a pellet EXACTLY somewhere between 10 to 70 yards I'd choose the TM 1000 every time!

I do not displace the value of springers as I mostly have them, but if I really was serious about using a 10.5 grain .177 pellet it will come out of the TM-1000.  It is regulated and velocity is faster than my prized springers (most of them and with a velocity close enough to 950 fps that'll exceed most springers).  Lots of shots too.  Don't go below 45 shots or so to stay in the sweet zone at 200 BAR to 180 or so BAR.

Since the TM is a target gun I would imagine thought to long use without cleaning is a priority.  Wonder if the TM bore is polished. 

"Hoppe's #9 is the finest perfume I've ever smelled!"
Ahhhhh.....so ya likes this stuff..........


LOL....there is a reason the field target competitions are divided into PCP and Piston classes, it's so easy to shoot a PCP accurately that a trained orangutan with a PCP could score higher than a piston shooter. I personally believe that one of the advantages of the PCP is what you mentioned, heavy high speed pellets with flat trajectories and wind resistance. Still.....at the National Field target match I attended in Heflin, AL a few years back the match high score was shot by a WFTF class shooter (<12fpe). That score bested the rest of the <20fpe PCP shooters. LOL.....seems that perhaps it's the SHOOTER and not the equipment at times. By the way, I was the sole hunter class piston shooter entry that year!

A few years ago piston class shooters were well represented at the matches but not so much over the last few years with most piston shooters moving over to the "easier to shoot accurately" PCP classes. I guess a lot of the reasons for this is the fact that the range masters are increasing the match difficulties to accommodate the PCPs. I was at a match this past Saturday (the my dirty bore fiasco) and there were quite a few targets that were placed where they would simply be "lottery shots" for me with my HW95, even if all was working perfectly.

Ha! I needed a big picture of the original in the bigger original bottle!

I spend most of my time shooting springers and the sole PCP .177 is there mostly because of the one-shot-long-range-get it right the first time thing.  Say I was invited to clean out a barn in Illinois of barn pigeons.  The TM 1000 is coming for sure.  Springers in tow will be two: R9 and FWB Sport.  The rest will stay home.

However, say I am invited to any other event besides cleaning out pests; then the springers come out just because they are unlimited in number of shots.  I'd be too worried about dusting up my TM 1000 as well.

So the rifle Hoppe's Number Nine reminds me of is every rifle I have shooting powder.  No black powder, but I used to reload as well. 

My wife knows there's one rifle in the house I'll always keep and it's hanging above the tv on the wall in a Civil War style glass wood box.

It's a Browning 71!  .348 Winchester.