Considering first PCP - Flashpup?

[gendoc]

Thank you all for your input, lots of useful and informative advice.

I did a lot of research this weekend and I think the Flash is probably my best option.

It all pretty much comes down to ease of hand pumping, so it is between the smaller reservoirs of the Flash and the Urban. Since I would want a few extra magazines, I am thinking of the Urban as having a noticeably higher price sticker than it initially seems. The trigger on the Flash also seems to be a bit more adjustable. Finally, add in that I would like the extra power and wind resistance of the .25 caliber pellets, and I think the Flash wins out for my needs/wants.
(How is my logic so far, anti-squirrel? )

Now for the personal inclination, AKA "feelings". Between the two iterations of the Flash, the bullpup version and traditional carbine version, I definitely am drawn more toward the Flashpup. However I noticed in the AEAC review video that he found it could not be cocked while prone, since rear placement of the bolt does not allow enough leverage in that position. Not being able to make a quick follow up shot while in the most accurate field position would be a deal breaker for me, and would mean it would be time to look at the skeletonized plastic stock.

Has anyone else that has a Flashpup found that it can't be cocked while laying prone?

never shot my pup in "prone"....i hunt with both the pup and the carbine and one is just as good/reliable/accurate as the other.
i kinda like the carbine for the personal inclination, AKA "feelings".

[puddleglum]

I just remembered another review video where the shooter was using it prone, and watched it again. He was able to, but you can see it took a lot of effort. I found another video, of someone talking about the Kral Puncher Breaker, and they mentioned that it took a bit more effort and a little learning curve to get used to the bolt being so far back.

So I guess I have to decide if I would prefer the (perhaps) easier cycling of a traditional bolt placement, or I if would prefer the quick handling and compact package of the 'pup.

[Back_Roads]

 I just saw a great deal on a Flash Pup in .25 in the classifieds here. 

[gendoc]

I just saw a great deal on a Flash Pup in .25 in the classifieds here. 

A GREAT DEAL INDEED !!!

[avator]

Personally, I'm not a pup kinda guy.
I would wait for an Urban to show up for around $200ish and use the other $200 for a fill source. I picked up a Vevor compressor for around that amount and only fill guns directly with it.
I gotta tell ya..... I own a boatload of sub $300 guns, vintage, pumper, boingers, c02 and HPA and my Urban is second only to my Sumatra carbine for an all around utility gun.

[puddleglum]

I just saw a great deal on a Flash Pup in .25 in the classifieds here. 

A GREAT DEAL INDEED !!!

Indeed it was.

So. Now that the "which gun" question has been decided...

I am going to borrow the Mueller APT 4.5-14X40AO from my 22LR for this guy. Part of the reason I am charting these unknown waters is because I no longer have a good place to shoot firearms, but do have a good place for air rifles. So that scope isn't getting any use anyway, and borrowing it will cut down the initial cost on flinging pellets in style. Lots of people will probably say it is too much scope for the gun, but it should work fine for bench work and I can get something smaller for woods work.

So, the way I see it, after I receive the gun, I will need a pump, pellets, a chronograph, and possibly scope rings (have to check if I can use what I have on the 22) More research required...

[avator]

LOL.... that was quick.... congrats.

[gendoc]

awesome !!!

the Mueller APT 4.5-14X40AO will go great on the pup.
i have a couple on 10/22's and there very nice scopes

[avator]

Now that, Gentlemen, is enabling 101.

[gendoc]

Now that, Gentlemen, is enabling 101.

text book trained......

[puddleglum]

Apparently, no one read the first line in this post. Oh well....

[avator]

Sure did but we "assumed you were not swayed".
A door left open is an open door.... even if it's a doggie door.

[VaporTrail]

I'm glad you took that out of the running. I was seriously contemplating purchasing it, so thanks for saving me from a couple of nights out on the couch. 

A chrono is almost a necessity. Pellets of course are as is the pump. Right now I'm using a Benji pump and I've figured that if I fill after 2 clips, life isn't as difficult as it would be if I waited until 30 shots. Filling from 120-130 BAR to 200 is a chore at 135 strokes and 15 minutes. Filling from 150 to 200 is not as tiresome or drawn out; about 7 minutes and anywhere from 60-70 pumps. Cylinder is 230cc, just for information purposes.

The scope sounds like it's a nice one. I currently have an Optima 3-9x40 AO on the Bullboss, and while it's nice, the glass quality isn't the greatest as is the weight. I'm going to put on one of those cheap Chinese BugBuster clones and see how that turns out. I don't have high hopes for that, so the Barska plinker will up next. The glass quality on that one is decent enough, but if that still doesn't satisfy me, then a Bushnell AR OPTICS will make it's way onto the rail if an authentic BugBuster doesn't make it there first.

If the scope rail is similar to the Bullboss, you'll have some flex. It's a combo rail; the top is dovetail and the lower is picatinny/weaver. I have rings for both, but it's nice to have that built into one. Take a look at the specs on PA or AGD; it should be simple enough to find. Or you can wait for it to come in to see what you're rolling with.

[puddleglum]

It seems, from what I have read, that the Chinese hand pumps are hit and miss, and even if someone finds a hit, another can be ordered from the same company on ebay and something different than the original can show up.

Since this would be my only fill source to start, and I would be extremely annoyed if it gave out and left me with high and dry. I guess I have two options:

1. Order two cheapos on ebay and be ready to learn how to rebuild.
2. Order something like an Air Venturi G7S which can be had for around $110, and would be a known entity.

I have read good things about Taousa as well, so maybe that could be an option as well for a known entity?

I know I need to treat whichever I get properly; slow steady pumping, keep it lubricated, don't let it get hot, etc. I don't have many virtues, but patience is generally one of them (except when people interrupt me mid-sentence, that will really tick me off)

[Wolfer]

I have two of the cheap  Chinese pumps and abuse them pretty bad. No problems at all.    Mike

[SteveP-52]

My TaoUSA on the left, my $35 Chinese pump on the right. Except for cosmetic stuff, same pump. Also the same pumps as the Air Venturi you're considering paying $110 for. They're made by the same company in China and just branded for whichever company that placed the order wanting to sell them. Both have worked just fine for filling my Galatian, Flashpup and Flash. I just take my time and don't let them get overheated.

Only thing you'll need is the adapter to connect the Hatsan fill probe to:

https://www.pyramydair.com/product/air-venturi-male-quick-disconnect-1-8-bspp-female-threads-steel-rated?a=3550

[anti-squirrel]

At some point Manny and Robert (NomadicPirate and Ribbonstone) may chime in.  Both are big fans of the Chinese pumps, like myself, and they may have been hit or miss 6 years ago, but not anymore.

I'll put mine (a $45 unit) against any Hill unit and come out ahead.  It vastly outpumps my Benji pump, and durability-wise, it is on-par with my ancient Rockshox HPA shock pump.  You won't be stuck with rebuilding at any greater frequency than the more-complex and far more expensive hill pumps.

FWIW, this is the absolute worst place to post if you are trying to get talked out of buying an airgun.  We will talk you into buying airguns and airgun-related stuff you didn't know existed, much less needed.

[avator]

I have two of the Chinese hand pumps. One I used once just for the thrill of it and one in the box that I only took out once to make sure it worked.

BTW.... The thrill is way over rated.... 

[Nomadic Pirate]

The Air Venturi G7 ......IS a cheap Chinese pump same as you get on Amazon and such.

[VaporTrail]

It seems, from what I have read, that the Chinese hand pumps are hit and miss, and even if someone finds a hit, another can be ordered from the same company on ebay and something different than the original can show up.

Since this would be my only fill source to start, and I would be extremely annoyed if it gave out and left me with high and dry. I guess I have two options:

1. Order two cheapos on ebay and be ready to learn how to rebuild. this would be good
2. Order something like an Air Venturi G7S which can be had for around $110, and would be a known entity. up to you, but not a necessity

I have read good things about Taousa as well, so maybe that could be an option as well for a known entity?
never had one, but perhaps they're known enough to be considered one, so I agree with you

I know I need to treat whichever I get properly; slow steady pumping, keep it lubricated, don't let it get hot, etc. I don't have many virtues, but patience is generally one of them (except when people interrupt me mid-sentence, that will really tick me off)
I learned a tip from a friend of mine: when possible, pump while you're in AC. The pump stays cool. I've been doing that, and my Benji pump has been very happy.