Author Topic: Slugs for Slayers (and other .357 rifles?) (Read 9627 times))

Kinetic45^ · « **Reply #40 on:** February 28, 2019, 08:56:08 PM »

I am pretty sure these are soft lead as if you drive them past 1000 in a PB revolver they will lead.
As per the chambering, wonder if being sized to .357 would help?

Kinetic45^ · « **Reply #41 on:** March 01, 2019, 05:56:35 PM »

Why would Hornady put such a crude picture on the website for these bullets??
Here's a pic of what I got today...
These bullets don't look bad.

Note that because of the small picture size required for this site the fine details don't show but I have gotten great accuracy from just as good bullets. {My phone has a 14Mp camera and NONE of the choices I have on the phone or in Windows software will size down to 580KB which is the max I have ever ACTUALLY gotten to upload to GTA. I resized over 20 times (resizing resized pics) and finally gave up and used the one you see}

And I fired five through my Pitbull into my backstop and all five chambered easily.
They have a dry powder lube on them. Can you see that they are actually a cup base, not flat (Hint, look at the ones in the box)?
[Man, I wish they made these in a 130gr! The Slayer is powerful enough to shoot a 158gr but regular unmodified air rifles would struggle to get any decent FPS.]

I'll ship 100 ea to TT n Shamu25 Sat morning.

triggertreat · « **Reply #42 on:** March 01, 2019, 06:57:39 PM »

No, those don't look bad at all, and much better than the Hornaday pic.

triggertreat · « **Reply #43 on:** March 01, 2019, 07:32:16 PM »

I will be testing these (NOE 359-174-FN-CE2 RG4 cavity BT) cast slugs next. They have been sized to .359, .358, and .357 and sorted down to within .50gr, .60gr, and .64gr of each other, respectably. I polished the tips and bases removing any burs with my own unique technique, so basically I have done all I know to do to them. They do look and feel really good to my untrained eye.

I am wanting to know which size works best out of the three, and is why I have sorted them and pampered them. My hope is that these shoot terrific out of my .357 Slayer, since I have a lot invested in this new casting venture. They will be shot at 893 FPS on average.

Kinetic45^ · « **Reply #44 on:** March 01, 2019, 07:40:45 PM »

triggertreat · « **Reply #45 on:** March 01, 2019, 07:42:24 PM »

Quote from: Kinetic45^ on March 01, 2019, 07:40:45 PM

NICE!!! Are we suppose to assume 100% lead on these?

Kinetic45^ · « **Reply #46 on:** March 01, 2019, 07:52:10 PM »

I'm sorry, you don't get 100 ea...
because I lost count I was having so much fun and shot all of 'mine' and a couple of yours this morning

So only 98 ea packed.
300 count box is now empty minus you guys share

I shot some as is but most I lubed with 10wt, no leading.
Avg 820 FPS out of the Pitbull with the SS valve, three shots and refill.
I was ringing a 12" gong at 300yards (and got a bunch of comments on my new paint job, haha) {Not every shot obviously, I was shooting with an 204" drop!! but I was hitting all around it and HIT it about 7 or 8 times!!!!!!!!! If it had been a 24" I would have hit it 75% of the time} but this scope was the wrong one for long range as I had to hold over so much I was not even close to any horizontal lines - the Optisan I just took off would have been perfect. Narrow, vertically strung 'group' 6 inches wide and 2 feet tall. Here's a pic of the recticle, the 3x9 is the same as the 4x12... see how hard it would be to shoot 300 yards with a 100 yard zero? But the challenge overcame me and I forgot to do the target shooting till I was out except for those I had set aside for ya'll, haha.

shamu25 · « **Reply #47 on:** March 02, 2019, 08:50:36 AM »

Sounds like fun to me! Thanks Carl.
I sized my Keith 160 grain slugs to 357 and they do chamber a bit better in the Slayer. At 358 they are a pain

rsterne · « **Reply #48 on:** March 02, 2019, 01:27:19 PM »

Have you guys ever tried 0.356" in the Slayer?.... A lot of PCPs shoot best with bullets 0.001" under the groove diameter, with no loss of velocity (most of mine even gain a few fps at 0.001" under)…. and boy, do they load a lot easier....

Bob

Kinetic45^ · « **Reply #49 on:** March 02, 2019, 02:12:16 PM »

Shot off two USPS Flat Rate boxes this morning.
Time to target is calculated to be Monday... what would be the FPS on that? 😁

Bob, of course I will be trying your suggestion but I think most Slayer owners are going with Tom's recommendation. I will note that in my big bores I have found best accuracy in bore size bullets or a small bit under, not .001 over, too.
I plan to slug the bore (when I get the rifle, the 6th will be two months since ordering, but it says there will be a wait, sigh) and measure exactly, then polish a NOE sizing die to match that.

triggertreat · « **Reply #50 on:** March 02, 2019, 02:43:52 PM »

Thanks Carl for shipping me some of those new test slugs!

I decided to wait until next weekend to go to the range to test my NOE cast, so that makes it so I can test these new slugs, too. I am waiting on a .359 bushing from NOE. My cast .359s need to be sized to .359. I wished I had ordered the .356 bushing also.

With my current tune, the 153gr (.359) NOE cast peaked at 905 FPS, but they were not sized and mic a little oversized. The 154gr (.359) peaked at 887 FPS, but again oversized. Those 158gr .358s should push out about the same or just slightly less than that??? The 152gr sized to .358 peaked at 911 FPS.

nappyman · « **Reply #51 on:** March 04, 2019, 10:07:30 AM »

Quote from: rsterne on March 02, 2019, 01:27:19 PM

Have you guys ever tried 0.356" in the Slayer?.... A lot of PCPs shoot best with bullets 0.001" under the groove diameter, with no loss of velocity (most of mine even gain a few fps at 0.001" under)…. and boy, do they load a lot easier....

Bob

I shoot mine .001 under bore size

triggertreat · « **Reply #52 on:** March 04, 2019, 12:39:32 PM »

0.356" bushing ordered.

triggertreat · « **Reply #53 on:** March 05, 2019, 02:19:20 AM »

I received the Hornaday's from Carl, well packaged as usual. I weighed them, and there's only a difference of .64 grains between all 98 of them (158.12 to 158.76). With the coating, they can be hard to measure, but 0.3565" seems to be the most repeatable diameter, so that's what I'm calling them. They do look good, and much better than pictured. Just hope they shoot well. Thanks again Carl!

Kinetic45^ · « **Reply #54 on:** March 05, 2019, 03:33:43 AM »

We all have to wait for the weather to clear then there will be some shoot'n going on!
Looking forward to your report on chambering in the Slayer (but at .356 they should chamber easily) and I sent 98 instead of 50 so you could do a good workout, trying different pressures for the best FPS/FPE and accuracy testing.
Just like pellets are more mass produced than our cast, maybe these could be an additional 'relatively' cheap option for people who don't cast and want a SWCHP.
That being said, Nick's NSA stuff is the Gold standard to buy, but you only get one nose style.

shamu25 · « **Reply #55 on:** March 10, 2019, 10:40:13 PM »

Shot the 158 grain Hornady swaged bullets that Carl sent. My mic showed them at
357
They do not group well in the Slayer. About 1 1/2 " at 50 yards . Wish they came in 358.
That may make a difference.
They do chamber like butter though. Thanks Carl for sending.

triggertreat · « **Reply #56 on:** March 10, 2019, 11:07:00 PM »

Ray, I also was able to shoot the Hornady's today. I was able to get a group under an inch c-t-c at 50 yards.

I got mixed results at 100 yards. One group showed promise while the other spread out more. It could have been a dirty barrel or fill pressure issue?

Thanks again Carl!

Kinetic45^ · « **Reply #57 on:** March 10, 2019, 11:14:44 PM »

Your welcome.
I'll try them too when my Slayer comes.
Ordered another box so I have some again, haha.

shamu25 · « **Reply #58 on:** March 10, 2019, 11:16:21 PM »

Just a hunch Keith but I bet if those Hornadys were 358 they would shoot a ragged hole at 50. The only 357 sized bullets that shoot in my Slayer are the 142 NSAs. Everything else has to be 358

triggertreat · « **Reply #59 on:** March 11, 2019, 12:13:03 AM »

Quote from: shamu25 on March 10, 2019, 11:16:21 PM

Just a hunch Keith but I bet if those Hornadys were 358 they would shoot a ragged hole at 50. The only 357 sized bullets that shoot in my Slayer are the 142 NSAs. Everything else has to be 358

I shot a bunch of other groups today with my new NOE mould sized from .356 to .359 diameter. I do believe .358 is what I'll focus on going forward. I'll post the other groups at a later date.

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Slugs for Slayers (and other .357 rifles?)

Author Topic: Slugs for Slayers (and other .357 rifles?) (Read 9627 times))