Author Topic: Slugs for Slayers (and other .357 rifles?) (Read 9609 times))

shamu25 · « **Reply #20 on:** February 23, 2019, 03:55:42 PM »

Forgot to mention that the slugs were lubed with 10 weight shock oil. About 50 rounds shot and very little signs of leading.

triggertreat · « **Reply #21 on:** February 23, 2019, 08:10:49 PM »

I ran some test and turned up the Slayer a bit more for these heavier slugs I've cast (NOE 359-174-FN-CE2 RG4 BT).

It looks like, between the sorted weights and different diameters, that there is a ~ 10 FPE difference between them all. The spreadsheet is showing the data for 5 shots each along with the results for each test with shots 2,3 and 4. I'm liking the 152gr .358 diameter results the best. We'll see if those group the best at the range.

Due to all the rain I haven't been able to get to the range with them yet. I really need to know what to size the slugs to before I can go any further.

Anyhoo, here is some data we can chew on until then.

ShakySarge · « **Reply #22 on:** February 23, 2019, 08:20:32 PM »

Have had very good results with the LEE 150 and 125 grain molds at .358. both give sub 1", 5 shot groups at 50 yards from a bulldog. I suspect a slayer would definitely do superb with them.

Jeremy1982 · « **Reply #23 on:** February 24, 2019, 10:55:29 AM »

Ray I noticed you spoke of the 10w lube...hsve any of you tryed the hi tek coating?Its a coating but supp to be lube aswell.I just started using it and I do think its helping accuracy.I lose about 10 fps but groups have shrunk and strings have been better

Kinetic45^ · « **Reply #24 on:** February 24, 2019, 12:00:53 PM »

I can say that early reports using HiTek were not good BUT they have reformulated it and users now know to use 10 parts solvent instead of 7 and do at least two coats. I'm testing it now but have a LOT of coating tests andvshooting to do before I would post anything on it.

I have also had good accuracy with Rooster Jacket Waterproof Bullet Film and Paper Patch Lube coating which leaves a dry waxy coat on the bullets but did have to play around with it to find the best procedure.
Lee Liquid Alox did not work for me nor did most of the traditional pellet lubes.
Powder coating works to prevent fouling but I got uneven thickness coatings and did not get match accuracy, just 'hunting' accuracy. Another methoid that may work but needs people to figure out the right technique for airgun use.

A tip that everytime I switch between lubes I either have to clean the barrel thoroughly or shoot a lot of conditioning shots.

Kinetic45^ · « **Reply #25 on:** February 24, 2019, 12:31:13 PM »

Has anyone tried the Speer or Hornady swaged bullets?
https://www.speer-ammo.com/products/bullets/handgun-bullets/lead-handgun-bullets/4628

https://www.hornady.com/bullets/handgun/38-cal-358-158-gr-swc-hp#!/

I've got some coming but even though they are pure lead and soft I'm not sure on how hard they will be to chamber

Jeremy1982 · « **Reply #26 on:** February 24, 2019, 10:53:50 PM »

I think that even the 10 part is too thick.my first few batches were not good at all.hard shell and flaky!IThey said 3.5 oz Acetone to 20 gram of hi tek but I started doing 3.5 to 14 gram and its a LOT better!I have to do 3 coats but its silky smooth now with no flake!Ive ran a few done the barrel with a push rod and they glide down compaired to before.I cant say that they 100% were the reason my groups shrunk but it seems they tighted up some.And fps spread was better for sure.chroned both bare and coated

Kinetic45^ · « **Reply #27 on:** February 24, 2019, 11:39:36 PM »

OK, I'll try it at that dilution my next batch...
Red Copper or Zombie Green

So wicked looking, Hahahaha

Jeremy1982 · « **Reply #28 on:** February 25, 2019, 09:50:41 AM »

Another thing I started doing is using a med. dropper!I use 1ml for every 100 bullets if they are .357 and under.I use 1.25 on the .457 rounds.I use the same amount every time I coat.1st coat will look thin and spotty...2nd will be 10xs better

rsterne · « **Reply #29 on:** February 25, 2019, 12:48:18 PM »

Those Speer bullets are Pug-Ugly, IMO....

Bob

Kinetic45^ · « **Reply #30 on:** February 26, 2019, 05:29:14 PM »

Yup, those Speer put the ugh in ugly.
I think they tumble them to do the powder lube they use.
But if they shoot accurately I don't care. They do OK in PB revolvers at low n medium velocities I'm told.

I really think the swaged Hornady might be much better though.

Kinetic45^ · « **Reply #31 on:** February 26, 2019, 09:08:37 PM »

I decided to order this to test:
https://www.midwayusa.com/product/419842/hornady-bullets-lead-semi-wadcutter-hollow-point

And I finally found some of the "Polycase ARX Inceptor Preferred Defense Bullet .38 Cal/.357 Magnum" at:
https://www.laymansgunshop.com/manufacturers/polycase-ammunition?caliber=59&page=1
I bought 7 boxes of the 86gr and 6 boxes of the 77gr... their entire inventory at that location. I had been able to get one box of the 86gr from Midway before they discontinued them and they shot well on a hog hunting trip last year in the Pitbull so I have high hopes for them in the Slayer. {When they finish this batch of rifles and ship them to us I'll be ready! ! !}

FYI - Sunday I was filling my air tanks and my Davv SCU50 cratered - the HP side cylinder cracked completely around just above the attachment flange! I had bought it last August and had done about 36 fills on a 60min SCBU tank since then. At the local paintball field that would have cost $540 but I got the SCU50 for $460 and free shipping so I did not lose money but I'm not real happy.
I guess a 'real' compressor is in my future since I'm not going to go Chinese again (note this is the same compressor but in a different frame that Air Ventura sells for $1400, I wonder how many warrantys they have had? Note I always used Royal Purple compressor oil and changed it every 5 hours of operation so it was well maintained. And I never let it overheat either, it got 40 degree chilled water for cooling from an external system!)

triggertreat · « **Reply #32 on:** February 26, 2019, 09:37:09 PM »

Those Hornaday look almost as rough as the Speer. I'd be curious as to how they perform out of the Slayer.

Kinetic45^ · « **Reply #33 on:** February 26, 2019, 09:53:23 PM »

Quote from: triggertreat on February 26, 2019, 09:37:09 PM

Those Hornaday look almost as rough as the Speer. I'd be curious as to how they perform out of the Slayer.

Yah, the knurled surface looks rough but smooths down when it goes into the rifling, at least it did back when I shot PB and these same bullets in reduced loads in a 358 Winchester @ 1000 FPS. A lot of the 'crud' you see in that picture is a lube on the bullet.
Never really thought of them for air rifles but another PCP guy here in Texas told me he was having good luck so I will try them. Thought about buying a box of 50 to test but with the shipping, buying the 300 was not much more and a better deal now than buying more later and paying shipping again if they do as well as he says. Like I say MGTOW [Men Going Their Own Way - is a statement of self-ownership, where the modern man preserves and protects his own sovereignty above all else.] and if I want it I buy it.

Until I get my Slayer, I'll shoot these in my Pitbull: I'll try them as they are, with oil lube and even try to size some to .357 and see how they shoot.

Kinetic45^ · « **Reply #34 on:** February 27, 2019, 10:02:19 PM »

I have to ask, is it that most .35 rifle owners don't try many different slugs to see what they can get to shoot best...
Or that other owners are experimenting but just not posting?

I really hoped this would be a Clearinghouse or University to share the knowledge but there's only a few of us participating. Hopefully there will be more eventually

Sbak · « **Reply #35 on:** February 27, 2019, 10:11:34 PM »

Just waiting for the snow to melt off

triggertreat · « **Reply #36 on:** February 27, 2019, 10:26:27 PM »

I'll have better info after another trip or two to the range. I'd rather be real sure of my findings.

Kinetic45^ · « **Reply #37 on:** February 27, 2019, 11:55:50 PM »

Quote from: triggertreat on February 26, 2019, 09:37:09 PM

Those Hornaday look almost as rough as the Speer. I'd be curious as to how they perform out of the Slayer.

I'll send you some (50?) to test when they get here like the other ones. Shamu25 too if he wants.
More shooters, more reliable data.

triggertreat · « **Reply #38 on:** February 27, 2019, 11:58:06 PM »

Quote from: Kinetic45^ on February 27, 2019, 11:55:50 PM

Quote from: triggertreat on February 26, 2019, 09:37:09 PM
Those Hornaday look almost as rough as the Speer. I'd be curious as to how they perform out of the Slayer.
I'll send you some (50?) to test when they get here like the other ones. Shamu25 too if he wants.
More shooters, more reliable data.

Thanks! It should be interesting to see how they do out of a Slayer.

shamu25 · « **Reply #39 on:** February 28, 2019, 11:53:57 AM »

I agree with Bob about the beauty of that Hornady swaged slug. lol
2 concerns. I have not had success with hard lead in airguns. Wonder about the hardness with these slugs.
Also my Slayer hates slugs with a sharp shoulder. They are a bugger to chamber.

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Slugs for Slayers (and other .357 rifles?)

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