Author Topic: Slugs for Slayers (and other .357 rifles?) (Read 9548 times))

Kinetic45^ · « **on:** February 18, 2019, 08:53:10 PM »

I want to combine our knowledge on what bullets shoot great, which just OK and those that do poorly in the .357 Slayer. {And of course, the info might also be of interest to owners of other .357 rifles}

I've sent bullets to several Slayer owners and asked them to test shoot and report back to us.
So I thought it was time to start the thread where they can.

Hobbyman2007 · « **Reply #1 on:** February 18, 2019, 09:05:16 PM »

This one is a good lightweight https://leeprecision.com/mold-dc-358-105-swc.html
Not sure how it would shoot from the Slayer but performs great out to 80 yards in a 1:16” twist .348”/.357” TJ’s barrel at 900 fps .

triggertreat · « **Reply #2 on:** February 18, 2019, 09:14:25 PM »

Great topic. It would be good to include the speeds and diameters, too.

screwwork · « **Reply #3 on:** February 18, 2019, 09:32:43 PM »

Agree, good job on starting up the conversation about Slayers and slugs. If possible have 50 & 100 groups, I think you see more about the group size at 100 yards then 50 yards. If it not worthy at 50 I don’t even stretch it out to 100 yards.

Jeremy1982 · « **Reply #4 on:** February 21, 2019, 11:18:08 PM »

The lee 140 swc has done great in my Badger 357 and Recluse!So has the NOE 163 gr /146 gr hp Bulldog round

triggertreat · « **Reply #5 on:** February 21, 2019, 11:34:25 PM »

Quote from: Jeremy1982 on February 21, 2019, 11:18:08 PM

The lee 140 swc has done great in my Badger 357 and Recluse!So has the NOE 163 gr /146 gr hp Bulldog round

I tried the Lee 358-140-SWC 144gr (.358) in my Slayer. They were the worst of all groups I have shot. I did have a lot of trouble seating them though. Maybe if I sized them to .357 they may cooperate a little better at 100 yards.

This was my final and best group with them shot at 850 FPS. I had to fight to get them seated so I didn't shoot a full group.

Kinetic45^ · « **Reply #6 on:** February 21, 2019, 11:44:27 PM »

Note that bullets from the same batch as TriggerTreat just posted shoot 1" at 100 out of my .357 Texan but give 3" groups out of my Pitbull at 50 yards. I sent them to him to test just for this, because Slayer owners need to identify what works in their rifles specifically.

shamu25 · « **Reply #7 on:** February 22, 2019, 10:07:32 AM »

Keith, I sized the Lee slugs to 357 and they still don't shoot out of the Slayer . The Lee in 160 do not group either.
Ray

Jeremy1982 · « **Reply #8 on:** February 22, 2019, 10:15:39 AM »

Yea the lee 140 swc drops fat,,,,about .359-.360 but id Ray sized them and didnt get a good group then Id chalk um as a dud.Gotta be too low of a twist rate then.I have a 1-20 in my Recluse and a 1-22 in my badger.Anyone tryed the 124 gr NOE TC hp??They shoot well in my guns aswell and a little lighter.

Kinetic45^ · « **Reply #9 on:** February 22, 2019, 07:50:26 PM »

On my side, I talked to Al at NOE and he's still backed up so hasn't gotten to the revised Accurate cherry n mold yet so that's still 5 or 6 weeks away.

Jeremy1982, wait a few days and I'll bet a few interesting reviews come in.

shamu25 · « **Reply #10 on:** February 22, 2019, 11:05:41 PM »

Carl, Got to the range today with my Slayer at Hastings MI. 38 degrees with 6 to 8 mph crosswinds. All shooting at 50 yards. All but last group are 5 shot groups with 3400 fill and about 2600 remaining . Velocity was 870 to 890 for the Accurate bullets .
The groups are marked on the target with bullet shot. Last group was 5 shots but each shot was refilled to 3300. The one outside was my fault otherwise I am sure would have been in the same hole.
I must get that mold , simply WOW.
Molds listed are as follows
Accurate 36-168J 156.9 grains
NOE 359-174-FN 151 grains
NOE TL-357-135-RF 128 grains
NOE 359-115-RF 117.9 grains
The 3 heaviest bullets are hollow pointed.
Carl please check if I have these correct . Also I really appreciate the opportunity to test these . Ray

Kinetic45^ · « **Reply #11 on:** February 23, 2019, 01:08:24 AM »

Good shooting!

Expanding on an earlier post: I'm trying to arrange for other people to get one like it, I'm going to pay the $300 to NOE to grind the cherry for my 36-168J bullet, Al's got the drawing I sent him and after he gets it ground he can make a batch of molds. But it will be 8 to 10 weeks before they show up on his website. I used 40 years of experience to design that bullet. Glad you like it

Basically, you have the other mold model numbers right although those are without the codes for mold material and cavity number. Here's the full molds they were cast from:

359-174-FN-CE2-RG2 Cavity BT
TL357-135-RF-AU5-RG2 Cavity GC
359-115-RF-R2 2Cav PB

The TL bullet also comes as a plain base but it's biggest problem is it's too small diameter which hurts it's accuracy. In my other .357 rifles is still plenty accurate but I sent the mold off to be modified by adding a .359 rear driving band like the BBT's have that can be sized and will fill/grip the bore better. I've put a PDF file here so you could see what I mean but I'm not sure it will show right???

shamu25 · « **Reply #12 on:** February 23, 2019, 09:35:38 AM »

Did you send the Accurate mold to Erik to get it hollow pointed?
Will the same mold from NOE be available with hollow point?

Jeremy1982 · « **Reply #13 on:** February 23, 2019, 11:38:12 AM »

Ray...Were you a sniper at some point.lol

shamu25 · « **Reply #14 on:** February 23, 2019, 12:04:16 PM »

Jeremy, Just a shaky old man who gets lucky once in a while

triggertreat · « **Reply #15 on:** February 23, 2019, 12:25:23 PM »

Great shooting Ray...Thanks for the input!

I have been analyzing the groups with the OnTarget Precision software. All are well under 1" c-t-c. The famous Accurate mold comes in at .6". I hope Carl has success in getting that mold to market.

Kinetic45^ · « **Reply #16 on:** February 23, 2019, 12:30:48 PM »

Quote from: shamu25 on February 23, 2019, 09:35:38 AM

Did you send the Accurate mold to Erik to get it hollow pointed?
Will the same mold from NOE be available with hollow point?

Yes, I designed it to be a DRT on hogs and deer for the low speeds of air rifles and then had Accurate make the mold. He sent it direct to Eric who did several pins.to find the right size.

The NOE version will have a couple of changes, shorten the base shank .010, add .004 more width to each groove and shorten the bore ride at the base of the nose .020 - trying to get the weight down closer to 150gr but still keep the accuracy. Going to make the lips on the HP .025 instead of .020 to stiffen them up so less possible handling damage but not change the CG too much.
With a slightly lower weight the FPS will go up a small amount.
Al and I discussed changing the first band diameter down to .351 too for more bore ride, less bore friction plus easier engraving/ chambering but he thought regular centerfire shooters might be interested in the bullet but would want all bands the same diameter so I agreed to do that instead as it would make the mold more popular.

And yes, it will be available as an RG style mold with the HP, cup point and flat point pins.

As a side note, Al told me the .25 mold I asked rsterne/Bob to draw up and have the poll on is being drawn up (machining print) too so he can send that to the tool makers and have the cherry made so I'm looking forward to that mold too 😃

shamu25 · « **Reply #17 on:** February 23, 2019, 01:37:26 PM »

Thanks Carl. This helps.
And Keith, where did you get the app for group sizing?

triggertreat · « **Reply #18 on:** February 23, 2019, 01:40:17 PM »

Quote from: shamu25 on February 23, 2019, 01:37:26 PM

Thanks Carl. This helps.
And Keith, where did you get the app for group sizing?

https://ontargetshooting.com/

shamu25 · « **Reply #19 on:** February 23, 2019, 01:52:53 PM »

Thanks Keith

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Slugs for Slayers (and other .357 rifles?)

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