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Noob needs help with picking a pcp
« on: October 13, 2018, 06:06:54 PM »
Hi,
Long time lurker, but not finding the info im looking for, im sure and have seen this question asked time and time again, but i have searched and can not find.

I am looking for:

Synthetic if at all possible

Short or portable

High shot count

.22 caliber

Side lever and shrouded

Removable bottle or cylinder

The ones that are removable bottle all i can find is Gauntlet (my price range) or Priest and Impact. I dont know if the R10 or Nova or Jumbo are removable.

I am down with choosing the At44s, but would rather have a bottle for high shot count and able to carry another bottle out in the back country. Mostly hunting use, i would consider spending more, but not Priest more
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Re: Noob needs help with picking a pcp
« Reply #1 on: October 13, 2018, 06:17:31 PM »
If you really plan on carrying extra air in the field you could consider a buddy bottle too
....... so you not limited to a rifle that can exchange bottle/tube.
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Re: Noob needs help with picking a pcp
« Reply #2 on: October 13, 2018, 06:57:58 PM »
Thats kinda what im looking for in a pcp rifle, once the first bottle is depleted i can screw that bottle off and screw the filled bottle on.

I have thought also a bullboss but a lot of people complain about weight and action problems.

Im ready to spend up to $700, but i just cant decide.
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Re: Noob needs help with picking a pcp
« Reply #3 on: October 13, 2018, 07:31:05 PM »
I think he ment a buddy bottle so you could air up any gun and the tank wouldn't be dedicated to one gun
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Re: Noob needs help with picking a pcp
« Reply #4 on: October 13, 2018, 07:49:52 PM »
I think he ment a buddy bottle so you could air up any gun and the tank wouldn't be dedicated to one gun



Correct, .......and also that way you not limited in your choices of guns.
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Re: Noob needs help with picking a pcp
« Reply #5 on: October 13, 2018, 08:36:55 PM »

Hi, Vargas,

You want Short or portable  ––>  Have you thought of a bullpup?


High shot count ––>  Are you willing to have LOW power to get HIGH shot count? Otherwise, options are scarce at that budget.


Removable bottle or cylinder 
––>  Note that every gun is different, but here's an issue with that:  I had considered the Gauntlet: Shooting the tank from 3000 to 1100psi, when it falls of the regulator. Take bottle off, screw new bottle on. Shoot another bottle. Then refill each bottle back up from 1100 to 3000. Well, too good to be true. The Gauntlet requires you to empty the leftover 1100psi – what a terrible waste.

––>  I have been wanting this feature, too, and have come to the conclusion that carrying a pump is not much more hassle than carrying an extra air cylinder, if I’m carrying a backpack anyhow with water, food, and a jacket. The additional bottles are in any case way overpriced.




You probably checked the AirForce line – they have removable tanks, and lots of shots, especially if you adjust the power down on the models that allow that.


Diana P1000 has a removable tank. They have it in black (though I’m not sure if it’s wood painted black, or some other material).
   https://www.all4shooters.com/en/Shooting/rifles/Diana-P1000-PCP-air-rifle/
   http://www.airgunwarehouseinc.com/py-3301-6343.html


The BSA R10 SE has a removable bottle. Up to 225 shots per fill. Regulated. Available in “Black Edition” and “Realtree Camo.” 40" the standard length, 38.2" the carbine. Shrouded.


Hope you can find what you’re looking for. I have gotten so frustrated searching everywhere including China, and not finding the features that I want. But someone said that this is the golden age of PCPs. It will take a short couple of years until we get what we want, at prices much more realistic.
Maybe you buy yourself now your “second-best gun,” knowing that in a couple of years your dream model will have been designed. Or you just shoot what you have so you can afford the dream gun when it comes on the market.

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Re: Noob needs help with picking a pcp
« Reply #6 on: October 13, 2018, 08:45:30 PM »
Oh i see now, so what would be a recommendation? Can i get a high shot count without a bottle gun?

Who makes a synthetic like R10, Nova etc that is shortish,light, quite, packable?

I seen the Artemis M16A, any sellers for USA for that?

Thanks for your replys, you giving me more options for sure now
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Re: Noob needs help with picking a pcp
« Reply #7 on: October 13, 2018, 09:08:29 PM »
the taipan veteran .22 has high power and high shot count an incredible trigger, insanely accurate and is compact and relatively light. been researching a bullpup for awhile and saved up for one and let me telk you a big price tag gun is worth it. Literally leagues away from everything else I have owned or shot for that matter.

 They run around 1289 dollars. Come in black painted wood or regular wood. With a tune can get around 100 shots a fill. I have a hard time seeing anyone using that many shots in a day of hunting.

maybe it's just me and where i am at but never had such bountiful targets that I would even use  close to a 100.
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Re: Noob needs help with picking a pcp
« Reply #8 on: October 13, 2018, 09:15:54 PM »
Your specs are ideal for what 95% of us all want... but no such gun exists, even for $2000.

And if one did exist, for $700, you’d likely be finding some shortcomings in quality or reliability.

All the technology currently exists. And there are probably several manufacturers with the equipment, marketing and design skills to bring it in at a reasonable price. Hopefully they will sooner than later.

Until then there are compromises: a pumper like a Nova, a good springer, or a reasonable gun with a buddy bottle (but it won’t be within budget).

Personally I’d get a good used mainstream middle of the road popular gun like thousands of other shooters already have. Lots of help and parts readily available. Learn how to shoot it well and count your shots/make your shots count.

There isn’t any magic bullet out there or otherwise we’d already all own that perfect super gun! That we’re struggling to suggest a good gun should tell you something.
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Re: Noob needs help with picking a pcp
« Reply #9 on: October 13, 2018, 09:49:43 PM »
The BSA R10 you can read about here:
http://bsaguns.co.uk/air-rifles/pcp-airguns/

The black editions might be hard to find in the US, though there are many UK sellers. You might try to contact the BSA/ GAMO representative in the US to make a special order.



The SPA / Artemis line is Chinese, but has gotten some good critiques.
Their webpage is:  http://www.artemis-airgun.com
Or better:  http://www.artemis-airgun.com/#slist/series/product.php?lang=en&class2=104 

Sellers of this line in the US used to be MRod, but their customer service, well, and it seems they are mostly out of stock. Noone knows when the new shipment arrives (if it does -- too bad, they guy had a really great idea).

International sellers* of the SPA / Artemis are here:
• Czec  |  limited to 12FPE  |   https://www.balistas.com
• Netherlands (US customers seem very happy, less than 1 week delivery), no power restriction  |  https://www.krale-schietsport.nl/en
• Portugal  |  no power restriction  |  http://www.thegunsworld.com
*Careful, many countries aren't as freedom conscious as the US, and therefore limit the power to often ridiculous levels, like Germany to 6FPE  >:(
cf. info at http://www.airgunbuyer.com/page.asp?pg=1008


I have a similar list of requirements like you, and so far there are two models that get close to what I want (but both do not have a removable air cylinder, and both are bullpups, I need something small):

• Kral Puncher Breaker
$500
get the weak parts replaced by Troy Hammer and make this into a high quality gun: $200
40 full power shots/fill, but with lower power settings (1-5) many many more
Shrouded, improved by Troy Hammer's Quiet Kit
Synthetic
28FPE
Easy to pump (2900psi)
30" short
Side lever
Regulator (aftermarket) for $100


• Diana Skyhawk (to be released any day now)
$750? (final price tba)
Shot count unknown, but it has a fairly large cylinder (265cc), with high pressure (3620psi)
Shrouded
Black wood edition
29" short
This is factory regulated!
Side lever
32FPE
Preview: https://hardairmagazine.com/news/ham-exclusive-new-diana-skyhawk-bullpup-pcp-launched-2018-shot-show/


_____________Also interesting:


• Brocock Compatto
$700
Shot count don't know, but small tank (150cc), though with high pressure (3300psi), and you can dial it down with the adjustable power levels (1-3)
Shrouded
38" with shroud (without 34")
Aftermarket regulator $110
Bolt (no side lever)
27FPE


• Brocock Bantam
$900
Shotcount: didn't note it down in my records, but plenty, due to a big bottle (400cc or 480cc), probably exchangable, with 3400psi, and adjustable power levels (1-3)
Synthetic
Shrouded (usually an add-on)
34" with shroud
Bolt (no side lever)
30FPE
Aftermarket regulator $110
There are several variations of this, with higher prices
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Re: Noob needs help with picking a pcp
« Reply #10 on: October 13, 2018, 10:20:09 PM »
I can highly recommend the BSA R 10 black comes with sling studs great shot count descent  mag and is very accurate Pyramydair had them on sale for 600 bucks not sure if sale still running. Great buy I have a Wolverine and a Crown and shoot my BSA just as much 
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« Reply #11 on: October 13, 2018, 10:23:52 PM »
I wouldn't write off the Hatsan AT44 so quickly . It has all of the features you want . I would have a real serious look at the Tact model in QE . The sidelever is decent ( can be made smother with a bit of elbow grease ) has a collapsible stock with adjustable comb ,comes with sling studs ,shrouded barrel , big power and a removable cylinder . The only real downside is the weight , probably close to 9 lbs with a good size scope . Had one in .25 in the unshrouded model and still regret selling it . I'm also sure with a bit of shopping around you can find one for half of the price your budget is . That means a yong heng compressor to fill is within reach . 
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Re: Noob needs help with picking a pcp
« Reply #12 on: October 13, 2018, 10:49:25 PM »
AT44 is another good chose mine is in 25 added a Hatsan reg.still amazed at the accuracy of this gun Quattro  trigger is very good if you know how to adjust (very small adjustments) but gun in stock form is very rough and pron to jamming a few hours work can take care of both.Having said all that the BSA R10 is still head and shoulders above the Hatsan
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Re: Noob needs help with picking a pcp
« Reply #13 on: October 13, 2018, 11:29:51 PM »
Another option would be to forgo the bottle all together and get a Nova Freedom
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Re: Noob needs help with picking a pcp
« Reply #14 on: October 14, 2018, 01:12:43 AM »
Wow, thanks for all your advice and suggestions.

Being kind off ignorant, how would i fill up with a buddy bottle. Just a line from the buddy to the bottle/cylinder to fill it? Are there different max pressures a buddy could hold depending on the volume that the gun holds?

Im taking another look at the Nova, R10, i would love a taipan veteren, vulcan tactic, aa hw1000, but i would be slicing my own throat on that kind of purchase.

R10 is out $1200

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Re: Noob needs help with picking a pcp
« Reply #15 on: October 14, 2018, 01:42:01 AM »
The bottle buddy blows your budget: https://www.pyramydair.com/s/a/Air_Venturi_Carbon_Fiber_Air_Tank_Fill_Station_4500_PSI_88_Cu_In/4708

Obviously you can find something for less than $350 but it will either be heavier or not much cheaper. But yes as long as you have a second $60 hose with the proper fittings you can fill it from your larger tank, pump, or compressor (even more $$$). You're trying to buy a Mercedes on a Chevy budget.

When it all boils down and you have XXX amount of cash just get a Gauntlet or Gamo Urban, a decent pump and scope, and go shooting. Perfection is still a few grand away but you can can a Helluvalot fun being 95% there. Get a really good Chevy instead of a half-^&* Mercedes.

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Re: Noob needs help with picking a pcp
« Reply #16 on: October 14, 2018, 02:03:47 AM »
Advice well taken, i have other monies for scope, case, pump/bottle, etc.

I think i am going the at44 route, ive seen others say not to go qe, but to get a moderator for more supression?

Or just go qe? I am looking at the at44s-10 short with open sights.

Thanks again
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Re: Noob needs help with picking a pcp
« Reply #17 on: October 14, 2018, 02:19:42 AM »
Mrodair has two of the Bottle version left for $579  (SPAM16A) Airmax Dominator.  He ships fast too.  That's shipped with an extra magazine too.
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Re: Noob needs help with picking a pcp
« Reply #18 on: October 14, 2018, 02:57:34 AM »
I will add suupport to the hatsan at44-10 ..... powerful, accurate, removable cylinder.... ohhhhh very tunable.... and lots of info on the GTA to make it better.


Now, there is also the diana outlaw, at a discount at airguns of arizona... per the brochure..... regulated, side lever, powerful, efficient.... $500 bucks


Sorry, can't post the link, but go to airgunsofarizona.com and search outlaw.....
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Re: Noob needs help with picking a pcp
« Reply #19 on: October 14, 2018, 03:14:43 AM »
Advice well taken, i have other monies for scope, case, pump/bottle, etc.

I think i am going the at44 route, ive seen others say not to go qe, but to get a moderator for more supression?

Or just go qe? I am looking at the at44s-10 short with open sights.

Thanks again
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