Beeman R10 vs. R9

[SpiralGroove]

HW has not built a baby R1 {R10} in over 20yrs! the only place ur gonna find 1 is on the used market, the HW85 that replaced the R10 does not have the screw off end cap like the original R10, it is plugged like the R9, as has been mentioned the HW85 is nothing more then a long barreled 95, I had a R10 Deluxe and a 16'' carbine a few yrs back, the R10 did have a little more spacing in the power plant but not enough to make that much of a difference! is it a nicer rifle? well its built better due to the end cap! that's why it was called the baby R1! OC AKA WHITEFANG has my old R10 Deluxe you might ask him what he thinks about them

Hey Mark,
IYO, do you think the R10 is another "unique club to have in ones golf bag" alongside other "current" Weihrauch models or would it be mostly a duplication of an existing club? 

[Jeff Marshall]

No idea, Kirk.  The latter-day HW85 would seem as robust as a latter-day R9.  So, the earlier spring breakage problem would seem moot; unless you are buying an older used model...

Is this the R10 article you mentioned:  https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2017/09/the-beeman-r10hw-85-part-1/

Yes, that's the article.
The latter day HW85 is the same gun as the HW95, except with a longer barrel.  Maybe the HW85 wasn't manufactured until 1995/1996 like the HW95, and Tom mentions the R10/HW85 in the same breath, thinking readers understood this manufacturing time gap?
Beats the heck out of me

Forgive me for jumping in here. I'm having a hard time understanding just what the confusion is.

Maybe this will help (or maybe not):

Beeman sold the R10 in 4 different configurations:

1. R10 that was EXACTLY the same as a HW85 except for markings

2. R10 carbine, same as HW85K

3 & 4 R10 Deluxe and R10 Deluxe carbine. These guns were Beeman exclusives with the Gary Goudy stock. HW did not sell any
guns marked HW85 or HW85K with this style stock.

All of these guns came with threaded end caps. The thin walled R10
receiver tube was difficult to machine for these caps and had too high of a rejection rate. This may have been why this rifle was discontinued.

The Marksman guns disassemble differently from the HW's.
They didn't have threaded end caps, or a plug retained by knock out tabs.

The Marksmans came both with and without Rekord triggers. The trigger came out of the back of the receiver as a unit, and was retained by a bolt, and the trigger unit is what retained the mainspring and guide.

IMO, the Marksman guns were easier to disassemble than the HW's.
The safety was resettable and was a lever that extended up beside
the receiver tube.

The higher grade Marksman's (70, 71, 72) had nicer stocks than a standard R10, but not as nice as the Deluxe R10.

Early model Beeman R9's came with R10/HW85 slotted pistons. (I had forgotten about this in my earlier post).

The 1996 Beeman catalog does not list the R10 or R9.

[SpiralGroove]

Hey Jeff, I think I got it.
So the early HW85 was almost identical to the R10 and was introduced in 1986.  When the HW95 was introduced in (mid) 1996, Weihrauch changed the HW85 design to be like the HW95 (non-screw receiver plug).  Right?

[Jeff Marshall]

Hey Jeff, I think I got it.
So the early HW85 was almost identical to the R10 and was introduced in 1986.  When the HW95 was introduced in (mid) 1996, Weihrauch changed the HW85 design to be like the HW95 (non-screw receiver plug).  Right?

Hello Kirk,
That's correct.

I threw in the info about the Marksman guns and HW/BSF because
if HW had not purchased BSF, there would probably have never been a HW85/R10.
  Plus the Marksman and BSF guns sometimes show up on the used market, and it may be useful to know a bit about them.

  BTW, like anyone else, some of BB Pelleteer's (forgot his real name) facts are nonsense.
  His conclusion that HW model numbers equals the stroke length in MM's is just plain strange. It seems more likely that they correspond to the year that the design of the gun was completed, but that may not be the case 100% of the time.

"See" ya later! 

[Mark 611]

Kirk IMO the R10 is a baby R1, they are unique for what they are! but I don't think you notice much of a difference between the R10 and R9/HW95 in performance JMO, but if your looking for the uniqueness of the screw off end cap of this offering in this size power plant it like looking at the difference between the HW50 vs the HW35 as far as build quality! IMO if you can buy 1 reasonable I would purchase it over the 95's!!!!!

[T-Higgs]

Hi Kirk, I hope you’re doing well,

I thought I’d put these pics in your thread just for reference.
Top= R1, .22 cal, JM full power kit and bullet seal, carbine threaded barrel with thing on the end...
Middle= R9 .177 cal,  heavily played with by me. Vortek kit full power.
Bottom= R10 deluxe .177 never opened.
 I bought from a collection said to be never fired and I believe it. I, however, have fired it a few times to verify working condition and flat out curiosity. I can’t really compare it to my R9 because of the vortek kit the R9 has but it felt fantastic to me, especially since it’s factory stock. It just hangs on my wall for sheer elegance...

Higgs

[WHITEFANG]

PM me [F]
R10 .177

[SpiralGroove]

Hi Kirk, I hope you’re doing well,
Bottom= R10 deluxe .177 never opened.
 I bought from a collection said to be never fired and I believe it. I, however, have fired it a few times to verify working condition and flat out curiosity. I can’t really compare it to my R9 because of the vortek kit the R9 has but it felt fantastic to me, especially since it’s factory stock. It just hangs on my wall for sheer elegance...
Higgs

Hey Higgy,
You should sell it to me .  I'd immortalize or put it on a pedestal too ...
However, tune it and shoot it I will .
Kirk 

[T-Higgs]

Hi Kirk, I hope you’re doing well,
Bottom= R10 deluxe .177 never opened.
 I bought from a collection said to be never fired and I believe it. I, however, have fired it a few times to verify working condition and flat out curiosity. I can’t really compare it to my R9 because of the vortek kit the R9 has but it felt fantastic to me, especially since it’s factory stock. It just hangs on my wall for sheer elegance...
Higgs

Hey Higgy,
You should sell it to me .  I'd immortalize or put it on a pedestal too ...
However, tune it and shoot it I will .
Kirk

Haha! I know you would SG!  I reached deep for this rifle and a never fired FWB 127 from the same collection. I’ll think about it but I feel like you need one ready for a frame off resto with all the tweaking I know you love to do. That being said, I’d like to see what you could do with it and would love to shoot it after you gave it the full “Spiral Groove treatment”. 
Unlike Doritos, they’re not making any more...

[SpiralGroove]

Higgy,
It's a deal .
I'll buy it from you, tune it and then ship it back to you to shoot.
I have full confidence, you'll return it after a few hundred shots ..............
Kirk