rifle vs. bullpup

[kingrude1]

Good story but kind of irrelevant to the discussion unless you're going to tell me that all that happened because he didn't have his scope low enough to the barrel. Being startled by a boar and subsequently missing or botching shot doesn't have anything to do with knowing your range and hold over. As I said it works great for me.

[Nomadic Pirate]

Good story but kind of irrelevant to the discussion unless you're going to tell me that all that happened because he didn't have his scope low enough to the barrel. Being startled by a boar and subsequently missing or botching shot doesn't have anything to do with knowing your range and hold over. As I said it works great for me.

Completely missing the point there right ? 


The story is about your claim that with Wild boar hunting there's supposed to be some room for error so absolute precision is not needed, ....consequences for a bad shot can turn out real bad in this kind of hunting, A little different then hunting suirrels
Since your experience is obviously zero, I'm telling you that I personally prefer to carry a gun with the scope as close as possible to the bore so I can make that shot in real hunting situations,

Hunted with Pups for years and experianced myself the shortcomings of the High scope.

[kingrude1]

So you are telling me that there's NO room for error in killing a boar? Ok got it.

[Mod90]

So you are telling me that there's NO room for error in killing a boar? Ok got it.

If you want that hog, or any other animal for that matter, to drop DRT & die immediately, no there isn't any room for error.

[SilentMatt]

Hunted with Pups for years and experianced myself the shortcomings of the High scope.

So, if you're hunting in a dense forest where the majority of your shots will be around 10 yards, wouldn't it be an advantage to be able to dial the Optimizer to 10 yards BEFOREHAND and not deal with any holdover? Wouldn't that lessen the chance of error? Then if you spot game at a further distance without them seeing you, you can range and dial it accordingly.

[Nomadic Pirate]

Hunted with Pups for years and experianced myself the shortcomings of the High scope.

So, if you're hunting in a dense forest where the majority of your shots will be around 10 yards, wouldn't it be an advantage to be able to dial the Optimizer to 10 yards BEFOREHAND and not deal with any holdover? Wouldn't that lessen the chance of error? Then if you spot game at a further distance without them seeing you, you can range and dial it accordingly.

Wrong,
 the wast majority of my shots are at 25-30 yards so that's where my scopes are dialed in, but I had shots at 8-5 yards and that is where the scope closest to the bore shines compared to the High scopes on pups.

I love how compact Pups are (some) love how the carry on a one point sling and they are sexy, but if you can't carry a 40-45" gun because it's to thick to manuver then you can't take a shot either,

.....so in the end I rather carry a carbine then a Pup, balancing Pros and Cons for me the carbine comes ahead.

[Mod90]

Hunted with Pups for years and experianced myself the shortcomings of the High scope.

So, if you're hunting in a dense forest where the majority of your shots will be around 10 yards, wouldn't it be an advantage to be able to dial the Optimizer to 10 yards BEFOREHAND and not deal with any holdover? Wouldn't that lessen the chance of error? Then if you spot game at a further distance without them seeing you, you can range and dial it accordingly.

Game not spotting you past a certain distance is one thing. Game standing still in the same position or even remaining in the same area even if they didn't spot you, for long enough that you have the time to make adjustments, is something entirely different.

[SilentMatt]

Wrong,
 the wast majority of my shots are at 25-30 yards so that's where my scopes are dialed in, but I had shots at 8-5 yards and that is where the scope closest to the bore shines compared to the High scopes on pups.

I love how compact Pups are (some) love how the carry on a one point sling and they are sexy, but if you can't carry a 40-45" gun because it's to thick to manuver then you can't take a shot either,

.....so in the end I rather carry a carbine then a Pup, balancing Pros and Cons for me the carbine comes ahead.

Got it.

Game not spotting you past a certain distance is one thing. Game standing still in the same position or even remaining in the same area even if they didn't spot you, for long enough that you have the time to make adjustments, is something entirely different.

It takes literally one to two seconds to turn the wheel to your range mark. I guess game(small and large) isn't as twitchy here.

[rkr]

Wrong,
 the wast majority of my shots are at 25-30 yards so that's where my scopes are dialed in, but I had shots at 8-5 yards and that is where the scope closest to the bore shines compared to the High scopes on pups.

I love how compact Pups are (some) love how the carry on a one point sling and they are sexy, but if you can't carry a 40-45" gun because it's to thick to manuver then you can't take a shot either,

.....so in the end I rather carry a carbine then a Pup, balancing Pros and Cons for me the carbine comes ahead.

Got it.

Game not spotting you past a certain distance is one thing. Game standing still in the same position or even remaining in the same area even if they didn't spot you, for long enough that you have the time to make adjustments, is something entirely different.

It takes literally one to two seconds to turn the wheel to your range mark. I guess game(small and large) isn't as twitchy here.

Or dangerous, a wild boar can easily gut you and they move bloody fast. At close range either you take a shot immediately or run for your life.

[SilentMatt]

Yeah, I was talking about game at distance that hasn't noticed you yet. You'd have to read my previous post.

[Ribbonstone]

Bullpups aren't the only rifles with high sight lines....and folks have been handling that situation.  Mostly just testing/knowing where to hold for the range (which is likely BETTER with a old-school range card of actual observed results than a ballistic program)

So while I'm not a bull pup fan, I certainly won't "gig" them for the same high sight line that so many AirForce shooters seem to be able to over come.

[Mod90]

Just to get back on track. Bullpups with elevated rails aren't everybody's preference.
I like the Hubens. It's over the barrel a ways,  but  a whole lot lower than guns like the FX Impact or Evanix Max

[Back_Roads]

 I have a bull pup, still on the fence, since prior to that I preferred "carbeans" and guess I still do.
 That gadget that acts like adjustable scope mounts, does have its place with the long range hunters though.

[tor47]

I believe if you usually shoot 20 yards or longer, a high scope mount would be an advantage, as it requires less holdover on longer distance. You can use ballistic software like chairgun and put in different scope heights, with the first zero around 20 yards, and you will see the second zero will reach further out, and the bullet flight raising above the two zero ranges, will be relative small.

[rkr]

I believe if you usually shoot 20 yards or longer, a high scope mount would be an advantage, as it requires less holdover on longer distance. You can use ballistic software like chairgun and put in different scope heights, with the first zero around 20 yards, and you will see the second zero will reach further out, and the bullet flight raising above the two zero ranges, will be relative small.

That's correct, if you don't occasionally shoot at very short range the high sight line is actually an advantage.