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Rat Sniper (AKA: PaulT58) · « **Reply #140 on:** August 10, 2018, 09:33:29 AM »

Quote from: Gertrude on August 09, 2018, 11:23:18 PM

i realize this reply is late, but I highly doubt a balloon over the barrel (shroud) would fill with air from a poppet leaking.
This is because I also highly doubt the shroud is air tight around the breech end of the barrel.
just food for thought.

Ron, I thought of that as well and I think you're correct in your thinking. I tried it because it did work when I have a bad seal on the poppet of my Marauder. Obviously the Marauder shroud sealed better than the DAR did.

It's still holding air this morning, or at least better than it was. It's down maybe 50 Bar from full, but this could be from the air cooling in the air tube overnight. I did fill it with my YH compressor, so that air does get warm filling to 200 Bar. I still think it needs a new poppet that sits square on the end of the shaft, I've not received a reply from Ryan since I sent him the picture of my cockeyed poppet yesterday morning.

BigMike1 · « **Reply #141 on:** August 10, 2018, 10:11:18 AM »

Well my viton 75 orings went south! I guess its time for a full and complete tear down, measure everything and locktite any suggestions and pointer so i dont miss anything would be great
Mike

Rat Sniper (AKA: PaulT58) · « **Reply #142 on:** August 10, 2018, 10:31:31 AM »

Go back and reread the posts from the last couple of day, specifically those about the valve and poppet. The Dura90 o-Rings seem to be holding well for me, I used them on the regulator and both ends of the air tube. Don’t tighten the set screw closest to the trigger guard, that will seize the poppet valve, otherwise make sure all others are good and tight. With the o-Rings and everything on the valve snugged down, hopefully you will be set. So far that seems to be working on mine.

Wayne52 · « **Reply #143 on:** August 11, 2018, 08:47:33 PM »

Paul I'll be out in the morning testing how good the H&N Sniper Magnums work with the .177, last time I was out with it I got a red squirrel with the EunJin's.

kingrude1 · « **Reply #144 on:** August 11, 2018, 08:58:18 PM »

Well here is where I am at now: Had it holding air on my last report, held it for a couple of days before I got around to doing some shooting. Set up my target to zero my scope, started at 10-15 yards and got it close with 2 shots, then moved out to 25 yds and my last adjustments put me right on, so I decided to finish the mag, I was shooting off sticks because my table wasn't available, so I knew my accuracy would suffer some, began to fire them off got to shot 9 and they were grouping real well and I am telling myself don't mess this up with the last shot, well shot 10 did go awry but it was because it gave way as I felt the air rushing out the breach.

Break it back down but this time I take the poppet, spring out, as others have said the retaining screw wasn't tight. Poppet, spring, both looked good to me nothing I could see was wrong. So I put it all back together, aired it back up, poppet still not sealing as air is coming out the port again. Scratches head and take it apart again, this time take a fine nail file and gently file on the poppet surface thinking there might be something there that I might be missing. Put it back together air it up and still leaking. So I think maybe I am not geting retainer tight enough on spring, so this time I screw it all the way down, then back out 4 or 5 turns to where it feels like poppet is opening and closing smoothly, air it back again and this time success it is holding air.

All this time I have been taking pictures and communicating with Ryan. Honestly I can't say he has been much help, the best help has been this forum and the kind members who have taken time and shared their knowledge with the rest of us. Ryan just seems to want more pictures. How much do you need to see to know that I have a problem with my poppet seating? Shouldn't he be at least sending out a poppet, complete valve, or something to help me fix this gun? Seems like a nice guy but I am not sure he knows a lot about these guns. Seems to be long on conversation and short on getting parts out to try and get a gun fixed. I am now worried that the stall game I feel is happening is because the parts aren't available.

TheSaint · « **Reply #145 on:** August 11, 2018, 09:37:01 PM »

They (Aim Sport) have a fix for the poppet valve. I know this, cause my buddy two farms over also bought the .22 around the same time as I did. Actually, his wife got it for him for his birthday. He Had the same problem with the poppet valve, and said the exact same thing about the spring being way too strong, and moving around the poppet valve chamber. Wound up with a broken poppet valve, like me.

So I guess he went a couple or six rounds with Ryan, gave up on trying to get anything replaced under warranty and just BOUGHT $100.00 worth of spare parts. They came today, and he brought his .22 over to my place to help him. He's 70 and his eyesight isn't that great anymore. So here's what he bought: a new reg, as his sealed fine, but the cylinder was drilled at a slight angle and the piston wouldn't move. Three or four new poppet valves and striker rods, two of the four holed valve spring keeper disks and two new poppet valve springs....

Guess what? The springs they sent aren't what came with either of our guns. They are cone shaped, with the small end a tight fit over the poppet valve, and the big end the EXACT inside diameter of the keeper disk. So now the poppet valve is always centered. The springs are also "progressive rate", and actually work. How long did they plan on keeping this a secret?

Long story short, we both have two really nice shooting guns now. Guess all it took was an old farmer (I didn't know this till I saw a hand written note to him from Rocker1, but Rocker affectionately refers to Rob as Country A@@ Redneck...) who just decided to pick his battles and just shell out some $ to get what he wanted. He doesn't seem to care, but it really gets my hackles up.

kingrude1 · « **Reply #146 on:** August 11, 2018, 09:52:07 PM »

Quote from: TheSaint on August 11, 2018, 09:37:01 PM

They (Aim Sport) have a fix for the poppet valve. I know this, cause my buddy two farms over also bought the .22 around the same time as I did. Actually, his wife got it for him for his birthday. He Had the same problem with the poppet valve, and said the exact same thing about the spring being way too strong, and moving around the poppet valve chamber. Wound up with a broken poppet valve, like me.

So I guess he went a couple or six rounds with Ryan, gave up on trying to get anything replaced under warranty and just BOUGHT $100.00 worth of spare parts. They came today, and he brought his .22 over to my place to help him. He's 70 and his eyesight isn't that great anymore. So here's what he bought: a new reg, as his sealed fine, but the cylinder was drilled at a slight angle and the piston wouldn't move. Three or four new poppet valves and striker rods, two of the four holed valve spring keeper disks and two new poppet valve springs....

Guess what? The springs they sent aren't what came with either of our guns. They are cone shaped, with the small end a tight fit over the poppet valve, and the big end the EXACT inside diameter of the keeper disk. So now the poppet valve is always centered. The springs are also "progressive rate", and actually work. How long did they plan on keeping this a secret?

Long story short, we both have two really nice shooting guns now. Guess all it took was an old farmer (I didn't know this till I saw a hand written note to him from Rocker1, but Rocker affectionately refers to Rob as Country A@@ Redneck...) who just decided to pick his battles and just shell out some $ to get what he wanted. He doesn't seem to care, but it really gets my hackles up.

The cone shaped spring is what's inside mine. That just isn't right for a customer to have to shell out his own hard earned money to get a working gun when you paid for one already. This this is starting to feel like a sham. Ryan does nothing but stall, asking questions and asking for pictures, yet at no point does he talk about "X part is on the way to you, give it a try."

TheSaint · « **Reply #147 on:** August 11, 2018, 10:13:04 PM »

Robs been married for over 50 years. Says he didn't want to bother with fighting with someone he wasn't married to, with the same outcome...

Here's something I forgot to mention. Apparently you've got to get the poppet valve to take an initial seat, as the valve is hard plastic sealing against a slightly countersunk aluminum surface.We put the air tubes together as assemblies, regs installed, both end caps, etc. Good luck doing the next part without a compressor: fire up the compressor, and soon enough you'll start to get air coming out the transfer port. Take a small hammer or piece of aluminum rod, or whatever is handy and start tapping the striker rod. After two or three hard taps, both our guns filled fine. Btw, we sank the keeper disc 5mm down from the top of the poppet valve chamber.

Shot my .22 down to 1000psi, then degassed it with the bleed screw on the bottom of the poppet valve chamber. Cocked the gun, and it aired right back up. It's sitting at 3200psi now. I'll report back tomorrow to tell you if it held air overnite.

kingrude1 · « **Reply #148 on:** August 11, 2018, 10:35:47 PM »

I got mine holding air too now. After I get home from work tomorrow I will put it back together and try some shooting it and see if it holds up this time. I wonder why mine didn't seat when I had it holding air? It seated 9 straight shots but came loose on the 10th.

TheSaint · « **Reply #149 on:** August 11, 2018, 11:15:25 PM »

What I want to know is why they didn't bevel/truncate the poppet valve and its seat. Seems to me that getting a pretty much flat, hard plastic valve to seat into even harder anodized aluminum, even if it is ever so slightly beveled just shows lack of any kind of engineering skill.

kingrude1 · « **Reply #150 on:** August 11, 2018, 11:42:40 PM »

That's what I thought as I looked at the poppet and valve seat, "how in the world is this thing going to seat?" Worse possible design, no seat that can readily be seen for the hard plastic poppet that appears mostly flat to seat in. I don't know why all of the guns don't leak from an unseated poppet.

Rat Sniper (AKA: PaulT58) · « **Reply #151 on:** August 12, 2018, 12:48:17 AM »

Quote from: Wayne52 on August 11, 2018, 08:47:33 PM

Paul I'll be out in the morning testing how good the H&N Sniper Magnums work with the .177, last time I was out with it I got a red squirrel with the EunJin's.

Wayne, the sniper magnums did okay in minor, but thr sniper mediums are the best I have found thus far.

Rat Sniper (AKA: PaulT58) · « **Reply #152 on:** August 12, 2018, 12:52:22 AM »

I still haven’t heard back from Ryan since sending him a picture of my crooked poppet. My spring isn’t cone shaped either, just a straight spring that doesn’t appear to be centered which is probably why my poppet is crooked. Any idea the cost of Judy the cone shaped spring and a new poppet? That’s probably all I need to fix my leak!

Wayne52 · « **Reply #153 on:** August 12, 2018, 06:12:08 AM »

I sent Ryan an email too but never heard back from him

So are parts available for these now?

kingrude1 · « **Reply #154 on:** August 12, 2018, 09:08:59 AM »

Wayne I have become very doubtful on them having parts. Ryan IMHO is playing the stall game, emailing back and forth but never saying "here try these parts". Is there a single gun on this forum or anywhere that Ryan was instrumental in fixing?

tracker1955 · « **Reply #155 on:** August 12, 2018, 09:43:58 AM »

I'm still waiting on the promised parts thought they'd have come yesterday, now looking to Monday. Also didn't get an email indicating they'd been shipped like they did when they replaced the first rifle. I know what all to check for besides the leaking regulator now, will make certain parts are secured on the valve before reassembly when parts do come. Hadn't had any problems there but no reason to let it start.

Rat Sniper (AKA: PaulT58) · « **Reply #156 on:** August 12, 2018, 10:00:53 AM »

Mike (TheSaint) needs to ask his neighbor who he ordered the parts from. I think if I get a new poppet and cone shaped spring, I should be good to go. It would be nice to get them free from Aim Sports, but I wonder if they even have any on hand. I'm still waiting on the o-rings they are sending me, but I now doubt the o-rings were as much of the problem as the valve is. Since tightening both ends of the valve, the leak has slowed considerably, but I still think some is getting past the misaligned poppet.

Wayne52 · « **Reply #157 on:** August 12, 2018, 01:12:13 PM »

I had my 177 out this morning and man is that thing accurate, I managed to get a red squirrel with it too, I was shooting the H&N Sniper Magnums.

Rat Sniper (AKA: PaulT58) · « **Reply #158 on:** August 12, 2018, 03:17:27 PM »

Great shooting Wayne! Another good pellet I found was the Crosman Gold Tips. Similar to the H&N Hornets, they pack a heck of a punch and are quite accurate at 50 yards.

TheSaint · « **Reply #159 on:** August 12, 2018, 03:18:19 PM »

Update from yesterday: Both of our rifles didn't lose a single pound of air overnite. And Aim Sports HAVE spare parts, they just have no intention of giving any away. I asked rob who he talked to and he said Ryan. Told me he was emailing and on the phone with him at least two or three times a day for almost two weeks. Ryan said they had "limited parts" that they were saving for warranty work. Ryan's tune changed 180deg when rob said he was tired of the bull manure and would just buy the parts he needed.

These part numbers come right off the invoice Ryan sent rob.

Quantity 1. Item 002-REGAS, Regulator Assembly. Unit price $90.00
3. 002-0107, Poppet Valve Assembly. $0.00
3. 002-0108, Poppet Valve Rod. $0.00
1. 002-0061, Barrel Band. $0.00
1. 002-0602, Barrel Band Set Screw Set. $0.00

What I didn't know til this morning is that they also sent him the two cone style poppet valve springs and two spring keeper discs. Those were free of charge, too. But no parts numbers. They also sent a complete poppet valve chamber assembly that had all the bits in it, also for nothing. He's of the impression that it came off the same rifle that the regulator came out of.

Rob said that as soon as he emailed Ryan telling him that the invoice was okay, one of Aim Sports secretaries called him almost immediately, took his credit card info and told him shipping was gonna be another $3.50. This was last Wednesday afternoon, Central time. He got the package yesterday. So two days total.

I asked rob why he thought they sent him the extra goodies. He said that he mentioned to Ryan that he only lives a three and a half hour drive from Sprotsmans Guide's Corporate HQ in St. Paul MN. Said he might of also mentioned that it'd probably not go over so well if him and a half dozen or so angry old farmers, all of them 'Nam combat vets, showed up at SG's office and started complaining. Loudly. Don't know if you guys in the Cities know any farmers, especially the old ones, but they're the nicest guys in the world, til they're not. Then very bad things start to happen, very quickly.

So robs happy. I'm happy that he shared parts with me, cause I got NOWHERE with Aim Sports or SG for that matter. But I still don't thing he should have paid a dime. However, I'm not about to argue with my friend. Partially cause I like my nose and teeth in their current positions, lol!

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