Any one ever heard of the Dynamic PCP air rifle?

[deerflyguy]

Ron:
May I suggest that you call Armsport and talk to their customer service department. I have called them twice, and they answered each time. I know it's a long shot, but maybe your friend can go there and buy it directly for you - if you explain your situation? If you get through, try speaking to a guy named Eric, who is the air gun sales representative. He might have already set up another selling point other than SG? Maybe they will sell the gun to you if SG won't?

[Gertrude]

Oops
Double posted
Sorry

[Back_Roads]

Just got a notice from SG saying my .22 is scheduled to arrive tomorrow. If that's the case, I'm at least completely impressed with their shipping times. I only ordered the gun on Tuesday. I'm not sure where they ship from, but I live 10miles north of Monroe Wisconsin. I'm suddenly really happy I bought this thing, regardless of whatever wrath the Redhead rains down on my sorry butt!!!

Hmm only about 2 1/2 hours away, I might have to go visit it LOL 

[tracker1955]

Hey everyone, thought I'd better give you all a heads up on this one, just received my 22 rifle today from Sportsmans Guide and it will not hold air. I tried cocking it to see if it would fill with hammer and spring pressure off the poppet, air still rushes out the barrel. I contacted Sportsmans Guide and they do not accept returns on air rifles, instead, I have to return it to Aimsports in Minnesota for a replacement or refund to my credit card. Tried calling their returns number but it was too late to get an answer on the line. Am going to try their web returns site and see if I can get a return authorization. They best not make me cover shipping or I will be really      What I can tell you is the rifle was poorly packaged, no padding at all, just a box in a box. At least the inner box had the rifle in a foam rubber tray and cover. The rifle feels very light, the stock is real walnut and looks quite nice, the fit of parts doesn't look bad but the rifle doesn't seem very robust. The magazine looks like the ones that come with the plinkster from Mrodair, and it does use a fill probe. The side lever seems to operate pretty smoothly but is sloppy and needs to be shimmed to remove the slop at the pivot point. Sorry but did not take any pictures before boxing it back up to return it. I hope you all have better luck with your rifles than I did. I can say that I will never purchase from SG ever again. Poor customer service and returns policy.

[Gertrude]

Hey everyone, thought I'd better give you all a heads up on this one, just received my 22 rifle today from Sportsmans Guide and it will not hold air. I tried cocking it to see if it would fill with hammer and spring pressure off the poppet, air still rushes out the barrel. I contacted Sportsmans Guide and they do not accept returns on air rifles, instead, I have to return it to Aimsports in Minnesota for a replacement or refund to my credit card. Tried calling their returns number but it was too late to get an answer on the line. Am going to try their web returns site and see if I can get a return authorization. They best not make me cover shipping or I will be really      What I can tell you is the rifle was poorly packaged, no padding at all, just a box in a box. At least the inner box had the rifle in a foam rubber tray and cover. The rifle feels very light, the stock is real walnut and looks quite nice, the fit of parts doesn't look bad but the rifle doesn't seem very robust. The magazine looks like the ones that come with the plinkster from Mrodair, and it does use a fill probe. The side lever seems to operate pretty smoothly but is sloppy and needs to be shimmed to remove the slop at the pivot point. Sorry but did not take any pictures before boxing it back up to return it. I hope you all have better luck with your rifles than I did. I can say that I will never purchase from SG ever again. Poor customer service and returns policy.

Hmmm, well this news is a bit discouraging.
Too bad it is all boxed back up already.
Just thinking out loud hear, but might it possibly be a stuck poppet valve ?
I'm thinking I might cock and dry fire it a couple of times, and then see of it might hold air after that.
If that works, it would certainly ly be less frustrating than goi g through a returns process.

Did you identify where the leak was coming from ? Did it sound like it was coming out of the muzzle ?

[Taso1000]

Tom,

That stinks.  I hope your rifle isn't representative of the whole bunch.  A few people are expecting delivery tomorrow.  We will know then.

I have a .177 and .25 supposedly being delivered on Saturday.

Taso

[deerflyguy]

Boy, I'm sure sorry to hear that, Tom. I don't blame you for having that attitude toward SG, especially since it is your first experience with them. I've got to say, I have been doing business with them since 2004, and have made many dozens of purchases from them, including about a dozen air rifles, and have never had an experience like yours! I do hope that you will get satisfaction when all the dust settles.
Tomorrow, I, and others will be getting our guns. For all our sake, and the hassle involved correcting defective issues, I hope that your gun was the only lemon product in the whole batch?
Who knows? The guns might have other issues, as they are new to the market, and nobody knows what to expect.

[tracker1955]

Yea, I rolled the dice on an unknown brand but figured it would be ok if made by snowpeak. As a side note, the dust cover over the fill port is not spring loaded as they are on the diana model. They obviously don't pressure test these before they leave the factory. I tried everything I could to get the thing to fill, really cranked the air to it hoping the poppet would slam shut but no use, the air just rushes out the barrel. I dry fired it over and over also hoping the poppet would seat or dislodge a piece of grit under it. The sloppy lose hinge point could easily be fixed with two thin plastic shims made from clear plastic from a blister-type package material, was gonna try that once gun held air ok. The trigger pull felt pretty good out of the box but I would probably have lightened it up some more for my taste, but much better than a Disco or Maximus trigger.

[Bentong]

I forsee them selling returns as this as refurbs at discounted then grab it 😉

[Taso1000]

I am of the mindset to refuse the shipments if SG doesn't honor returns of defective items out of the box. 

Taso

[Taso1000]

Tom,

I just looked at their return policy and I don't see where they say they don't accept returns of air rifles.  Maybe the person you spoke to doesn't know an air rifle from a firearm?  I would call and speak to someone else.

SG return policy:

https://www.sportsmansguide.com/customerservice/returnpolicy

Taso

[tracker1955]

I spoke to the person in charge of returns, he told me that SG had changed their policy on the return of airguns just a short time ago. He looked it up on his computer as to what current policy was and I was told that it had to go back to Aimsports Inc. to their Minnesota facility.  After Aimsports gets it they will repair/replace at their discretion, or refund to my credit card. Whats worse is that it looks like I will be out the shipping charges to return a faulty rifle. Don't that be all. I couldn't speak to the warranty rep tonight as he was gone for the day but looked at their warranty claims page on the business site and sent info through the warranty claims process form by computer. Will wait to get a response.  I told them that I shouldn't have to pay to return defective merchandise and if need be I would be in touch with my credit card company. Uhhhhhhh.

[Gertrude]

can you guys help me out and save me from re-reading all 5 pages of this thread ?

I'm trying to verify a few things on these rifles.
 I have a couple of questions that I'm sure have already been covered (?)

1- Have we actually verifiedthese rifles are manufactured by SPA ? or is this just "Hopeful speculation" (on our part) ?
   If we have verified it, ... can anyone share the source of that info ?

2- Have we verified that these are produced or distributed through "Aim Sports Inc. " ?
 If so, Where did that conformation come from ? .. and is this link the same Aim Sports,
  http://aimsportsinc.com/

The reason I'm trying to figure it out is, I have googled just about everything imaginable trying to find more info on these rifles to no avail. I have searched "Dynamic PCP", "DAR", "Dynamic Air Rifle(s)", "DAR .22" (+ .25,.177), "Chinese Side Lever /PCP/ Air Rifle ", and a half a dozen other related searches too. I got nothing, nada, zilch.

 I have not found ANYTHING on them, (outside of the Sportsmans Guide listings).
 The Aim Sports website does not show anything related to Airguns.
  The above searches come back only, as the few SG listings.
Now I DID FIND a FB page for "Dynamic Air Rifles ".
(Now I'll have to admit here that I don't do FB, and I barely know anything about navigating FB) ... but from what I saw, there is absolutely nothing on that page about them either.
https://www.facebook.com/Dynamic-Air-Rifles-1507159016005141/

The only thing I did find,
 was the DAR Facebook page, shows the SAME Business Address, as a google search for Aim Sports Inc.
 
It just seems a tad odd to me, that SG is the ONLY source, or retailer, on these rifles.

 It seems that since these ARE Chinese made, we would see something about them (perhaps in other countries), (under other names), just like we see the SPA rifles in Spain, Netherlands, South Africa, etc.
 Or at least there would be somebody else with at least SOMETHING on them for info.
 
 We know they are made in China. We also know there are also OTHER Chinese airgun manufacturers.
 i.e.- Xisco, SAG, BAM, Industry brand, etc. 

We know that SPA is only a MANUFACTURER, and that they slap whatever brand name / model name, a distributor or retailer wants to put on their products.

so again, Here's my questions,

1- Have we actually verifiedthese rifles are manufactured by SPA ? or is this just "Hopeful speculation" (on our part) ?
   If we have verified it, ... can anyone share the source of that info ?

2- Have we verified that these are produced or distributed through "Aim Sports Inc. " ?
 If so, Where did that conformation come from ? .. and is this link the same Aim Sports,
  http://aimsportsinc.com/

Thanks for any input.
Cheers

[Taso1000]

From what I recall: No and Yes.   

Taso

[deerflyguy]

I suppose any company can have it's own rules for returns, or for anything else?
It's really up to the buyer to check those things out before doing business.
In this case, even if it's never been an issue before, rules change.
Most often, we see this in rule changes that are sent periodically by our credit card companies.
Yes, it does not so good, and if one of my guns that are arriving tomorrow, happens to be defective, I will not like it either, but it wouldn't be the first time that a similar thing has happened to me, and I would probably not so good it up and follow instructions. Whether or not I would ever do business with SG, or ever again buy a DAR Dynamic air rifle would be subject to serious considerations, but not entered into hastily. Maybe I would consider a different seller, for future purchases of air guns, and continue normal purchasing of other items from SG? Maybe I would be put off by quality concerns and never buy from that manufacturer again? I don't know?
For example: I do not buy pellets from MidwayUSA because they refuse to package them adequately to prevent damage during shipment. I have told them of this problem no less than 3 times, but they don't seem to care! It is their choice not to change their packing procedure, and it is my choice not to buy pellets from them, but I still buy other things that they sell!
Of course, DAR Dynamic can't be found for sale anywhere else than SG, so it remains to be seen what I might do if I experience anything similar to what Tom did? Just like could be the case with any brand of air gun, I could get a lemon like Tom did. Some companies would send a return merchandise ticket in such a case; some companies might allow a return with a restocking fee for the privilege; other companies say to send the product to the manufacturer - like Tom was told. Not every company has the same policy. In the case of defective merchandise, it is my belief that the seller should send a return merchandise authorization and deal with the manufacturer themselves. Of course, that isn't my decision. What makes this a strange situation to me is that, in the past, I received a damaged air rifle from SG, and without argument, they sent me a RM tag and covered all expenses. I suppose that all has changed now?
I have my fingers crossed!

[deerflyguy]

Ron (Gertrude):

These guns only hit the internet last Saturday, and ONLY from Sportsman's Guide!

You do not have to read the whole string again, but most of your questions are answered on the first page of this string, if you will page down and read only my posts - mainly the 2nd one that I posted on the first page!
Just page down and read the Festus icon postings. That will save you time.

PS: You WILL NOT find all the answers that you seek!

~ Bill (deerflyguy)

[tracker1955]

Just to add to that, we know the guns are made in China, it's printed on the rifle, but we only speculate that they're made by SPA due to a similarity of features, but this may not be the case. Just look at all the tiny sports cameras coming out of China, or all the little airgun compressors. I just bought one and was glad to see I got a real yong heng and not a clone. The Chinese are masters of producing knockoffs.

[Taso1000]

Bill,

I agree with you in essence for the most part.  But do you know what stinks?  Right on the item page it says "Satisfaction guaranteed" and "Easy returns"  I've attached a picture.

They should honor those terms that are displayed on their site versus their latest terms that haven't been updated on the site or else it comes off a tad shady wouldn't you agree? 

The Dynamic rifles were easy to list and they even corrected the specs quickly, so why weren't the terms, which were far more important, be updated as quickly?  I am not asking you for an answer, it's a rhetorical question.

They at least could have given a popup before adding the item to your cart telling a buyer that there are no returns.

I've been an SG member for over a year.  I bought two Accu's from them for real cheap.  I just can't defend them or see the business logic in not doing what's right with the Dynamic rifle.

I just get more annoyed and feel more justified in refusing their delivery out of principal.  </rant>   

Taso

[Gertrude]

Taso,
All good points.
 They did quickly make the listing corrections, so why not terms of return being clarified too.
 We sure can't argue with that at all.

 Now I'm wondering if SG is just drop shipping them straight from Aim Sports in Minnesota, (or Ontario, Ca.).
 SG is also based in Mn. and is owned by Northern Tool and Equipment which is also in Mn.

[Wayne52]

Big time bummer on the no good gun, maybe some others will have better results but it sounds like they're going to be a gamble.  I pretty much agree with a lot of what Ron is saying myself, Travis did say they appeared to be SPA but when I seen the video the gun looked more like a Heinz 57. I suppose it could be a parts gun put together somewhere other than China but more than likely it's probably another Chinese knockoff.