IZH 53M front sight removal



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IZH 53M front sight removal
« on: April 15, 2018, 11:20:11 PM »
Just asking if anyone has ever removed the front sight from an IZH 53M. I think I read somewhere that it is molded on and there is a notch in the barrel that prevents removing it without destroying it. True?

Reason I'm asking is that it appears that a standard Crosman TKO mod would fit right on this barrel.

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Re: IZH 53M front sight removal
« Reply #1 on: January 20, 2019, 03:47:15 PM »
Necrothread..........

Anywho, did you figure this out? I was thinking the exact same thing a few weeks ago. The front sight on mine is just too thick.
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Re: IZH 53M front sight removal
« Reply #2 on: January 20, 2019, 06:52:37 PM »
Necrothread..........

Anywho, did you figure this out? I was thinking the exact same thing a few weeks ago. The front sight on mine is just too thick.

No, I didn't do anything to try and remove it. I don't want to destroy a part that I can't get a replacement for, and even if my Baikal buddies in Mother Russia had a spare barrel, they couldn't sell it to me here in the USA, so I've left it as a project that I cannot do anything with for right now.

Something I've noticed though. As I have both the older and newer version of the 53M, the newer one has a fixed front sight blade, whereas the older one has a blade that is spring loaded so that it doesn't bite into your cocking hand. The older one also has better rear sights. There's also something different going on inside the trigger that makes the newer one less desirable, but I haven't investigated that yet. Basically the older one has more pre-travel (almost a two-stage feel) than the newer one.

Just thought I'd mention that last part for those who might be interested in a 53M. They've been coming up on ebay quite a lot lately so look carefully at what you might be buying.
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Re: IZH 53M front sight removal
« Reply #3 on: January 21, 2019, 08:56:58 PM »
Necrothread..........

Anywho, did you figure this out? I was thinking the exact same thing a few weeks ago. The front sight on mine is just too thick.

No, I didn't do anything to try and remove it. I don't want to destroy a part that I can't get a replacement for, and even if my Baikal buddies in Mother Russia had a spare barrel, they couldn't sell it to me here in the USA, so I've left it as a project that I cannot do anything with for right now.

Something I've noticed though. As I have both the older and newer version of the 53M, the newer one has a fixed front sight blade, whereas the older one has a blade that is spring loaded so that it doesn't bite into your cocking hand. The older one also has better rear sights. There's also something different going on inside the trigger that makes the newer one less desirable, but I haven't investigated that yet. Basically the older one has more pre-travel (almost a two-stage feel) than the newer one.

Just thought I'd mention that last part for those who might be interested in a 53M. They've been coming up on ebay quite a lot lately so look carefully at what you might be buying.

Yes indeed. I'm waffeling on whether to sell mine or not. It's a good shooter, super easy to cock, etc. It just doesn't tickle my fun gun bone. I have the urge to purchase a Weihrauch HW70 Black Arrow. I'd imagine a bit better quality. We shall see.....

Oh yeah! Check this out. "Improved grip MP-53M, this upgrade is excellent for all previously released models of MP-53M, mP-53, IZH-53"
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$18 bux.
Let me know how it is.  ;D
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Re: IZH 53M front sight removal
« Reply #4 on: January 21, 2019, 09:55:52 PM »
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Oh yeah! Check this out. "Improved grip MP-53M, this upgrade is excellent for all previously released models of MP-53M, mP-53, IZH-53"
Can't post links.  Its on Etsy.
$18 bux.
Let me know how it is.  ;D

You mean like these?




You really think I wouldn't already have those?    tst, tst, tst.....

New - yes.
Improved?- no. Angled too far forward for my taste.
I put a rubberized grip cover on them. Didn't help.

Now, what I really want is these original "match" grips.


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Re: IZH 53M front sight removal
« Reply #5 on: January 21, 2019, 11:15:26 PM »
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Oh yeah! Check this out. "Improved grip MP-53M, this upgrade is excellent for all previously released models of MP-53M, mP-53, IZH-53"
Can't post links.  Its on Etsy.
$18 bux.
Let me know how it is.  ;D

You mean like these?




You really think I wouldn't already have those?    tst, tst, tst.....

New - yes.
Improved?- no. Angled too far forward for my taste.
I put a rubberized grip cover on them. Didn't help.

Now, what I really want is these original "match" grips.



How my assumptions get me in trouble! Hope you can find those match grips.
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Re: IZH 53M front sight removal
« Reply #6 on: January 21, 2019, 11:22:28 PM »
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How my assumptions get me in trouble! Hope you can find those match grips.

Was more than half hoping that's what you had on yours, since you wanna sell it.

Does yours have the older (like the upper pic) sights, or the new?
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Re: IZH 53M front sight removal
« Reply #7 on: January 21, 2019, 11:49:41 PM »
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How my assumptions get me in trouble! Hope you can find those match grips.

Was more than half hoping that's what you had on yours, since you wanna sell it.

Does yours have the older (like the upper pic) sights, or the new?

The newer version. With just the block, non-adjustable front sight.
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Re: IZH 53M front sight removal
« Reply #8 on: January 22, 2019, 01:21:17 PM »
 Have you tried the "gas spring" available on the bay? If so, how did you like it?

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Re: IZH 53M front sight removal
« Reply #9 on: January 22, 2019, 01:38:45 PM »
No. I hadn't even seen that. I'll look into it.

BTW, none of the front sights were adjustable. The older ones are spring loaded and drop down into the housing so you don't cut the palm of your hand while cocking.
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Re: IZH 53M front sight removal
« Reply #10 on: January 22, 2019, 02:11:18 PM »
Have you tried the "gas spring" available on the bay? If so, how did you like it?

I just looked that up. Says it also fits the 60/61 rifles. I have read that that piston is too powerful for the 60/61's and in it puts too much stress on the cocking arm. How it would work on a 53M, I don't know.

I like mine the way they are, after a good tear down and lube that is. The 53M's come extremely dry from the factory, so if you haven't gone into yours yet, I'd do it. Makes a big difference.
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Re: IZH 53M front sight removal
« Reply #11 on: January 22, 2019, 04:31:49 PM »
Have you tried the "gas spring" available on the bay? If so, how did you like it?

I just looked that up. Says it also fits the 60/61 rifles. I have read that that piston is too powerful for the 60/61's and in it puts too much stress on the cocking arm. How it would work on a 53M, I don't know.

I like mine the way they are, after a good tear down and lube that is. The 53M's come extremely dry from the factory, so if you haven't gone into yours yet, I'd do it. Makes a big difference.


Grease on the spring? Did you make a guide as well? Or does it not need it.
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Re: IZH 53M front sight removal
« Reply #12 on: January 22, 2019, 04:47:20 PM »
I dont recall if there was a spring guide but I didn't make anything custom for  it. Mainly just greased the main spring (it was totally dry), piston and the cocking slider. A few drops of oil on all the other moving parts, trigger, etc. The usual stuff. Simple gun to work on. You can compress the main spring with hand pressure against a floor carpet.
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Re: IZH 53M front sight removal
« Reply #13 on: January 22, 2019, 04:57:42 PM »
I dont recall if there was a spring guide but I didn't make anything custom for  it. Mainly just greased the main spring (it was totally dry), piston and the cocking slider. A few drops of oil on all the other moving parts, trigger, etc. The usual stuff. Simple gun to work on. You can compress the main spring with hand pressure against a floor carpet.

Thank you. I just may do that. While I wait for our Russian friend to: A. Tell me my 46M lefty grips are in. B. Ship them after I pay. C. Wait....and wait....
Maybe I'l break out the old HW40 too.
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Re: IZH 53M front sight removal
« Reply #14 on: January 22, 2019, 06:10:26 PM »
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Thank you. I just may do that. While I wait for our Russian friend to: A. Tell me my 46M lefty grips are in. B. Ship them after I pay. C. Wait....and wait....
Maybe I'll break out the old HW40 too.

If you have all the tools and lubes ready you can do that 53M in less than an hour.

Part A - Nothing he can do about that but wait himself. I'm sure he wants to make the sale.

B - Rest assured that Mikhail will do his part. He's very good about that.

C - Waiting. It's all about time management. I have my Diana 34 apart waiting for a new piston seal, so yesterday I tuned up the Rekord trigger on my 30S-X. Today, my parts for my Tempest's came in from the UK, so I have those to work on. Tomorrow, dunno.....still have a GRTIII trigger that I can put in my CZ634. Having so many guns there's always something to work on.....sometimes too much to enjoy the sport actually.
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Re: IZH 53M front sight removal
« Reply #15 on: January 23, 2019, 09:24:08 PM »
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Thank you. I just may do that. While I wait for our Russian friend to: A. Tell me my 46M lefty grips are in. B. Ship them after I pay. C. Wait....and wait....
Maybe I'll break out the old HW40 too.

If you have all the tools and lubes ready you can do that 53M in less than an hour.

Part A - Nothing he can do about that but wait himself. I'm sure he wants to make the sale.

B - Rest assured that Mikhail will do his part. He's very good about that.

C - Waiting. It's all about time management. I have my Diana 34 apart waiting for a new piston seal, so yesterday I tuned up the Rekord trigger on my 30S-X. Today, my parts for my Tempest's came in from the UK, so I have those to work on. Tomorrow, dunno.....still have a GRTIII trigger that I can put in my CZ634. Having so many guns there's always something to work on.....sometimes too much to enjoy the sport actually.

I'm sure you are correct on all of that. I just don't want spend more time adjusting than shooting. Back to the HW40 ambidextrous vs. Southpaw with a righthanded IZH 46M war! So far, my wife likes the IZH 53. Go figure. At least she will shoot with me, on occasion.
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Re: IZH 53M front sight removal
« Reply #16 on: January 24, 2019, 05:55:46 PM »
More temptations on the bay:

BAIKAL MP-53/MP-53M/ IZH-53 Upgrade set (Reinforced end Cap + Gas Spring) NEW

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Re: IZH 53M front sight removal
« Reply #17 on: January 24, 2019, 06:28:32 PM »
More temptations on the bay:

BAIKAL MP-53/MP-53M/ IZH-53 Upgrade set (Reinforced end Cap + Gas Spring) NEW

Have a closer look at that ebay ad. He says it's with the gas spring for $73, but the spring is nowhere in the pics. He (para-bellum, whom I have not yet bought from) has another ad for that rear block, the piston, and some other item that looks like the main tube, all for the fantastic deal price (read sarcasm in there) of $160!!. That's twice the cost of a 53M from Krale.

What is sad is that Baikal has taken a route of making their guns cheaper by eliminating certain features. You would not be needing that rear block if you had the earlier version with dovetail grooves in the main tube. Here's a pic of two of mine, older on the left. You can also see the differences in the front sights and where the blade will retract into the front sight housing.




If you can find the older version, jump on it! (before I do  ;))

The older version also has a trigger adjust screw, new one doesn't. You can see it in this link, also how to strip it down:

http://anotherairgunblog.blogspot.com/2011/10/overhauling-izh-53m-part-1.html

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Re: IZH 53M front sight removal
« Reply #18 on: January 24, 2019, 07:04:27 PM »
Here's some more info on the front trigger.

Firstly, remove the grip and see if yours has the adjustment screw in front of the trigger like this:



Or, is it like this (no screw, just the open folded metal tab in front of the trigger).




If it is the latter, you can mod it to the older version which makes it a (sort of) two stage affair.

Look closer at the first pic and you'll see inside the metal fold a square nut. Simply drill out that folded part, insert the proper size square nut and long grub screw and your in business.

I have seen a blog where the guy has that screw but not the hole in the trigger guard, so he "Drills A Hole" (woohoo) through the guard. Reason I note this link is because his gun does not have the square nut insert, but rather the folded metal tab has been tapped for the set screw.

http://anotherairgunblog.blogspot.com/2011/12/derrick-drills-hole-izh-53m.html

FWIW, doing a bit of pic forensics I've determined that his gun is only 929 serial numbers earlier than mine.

You can mod yours either way, but I prefer how mine was done as it does not require a tap, but rather just a nut to slip inside that metal fold.
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Re: IZH 53M front sight removal
« Reply #19 on: January 24, 2019, 08:22:51 PM »
I most definitely have the newer version. I'm not going to drill anything at this time, because I haven't made up my if I'm going to sell it or not. Have you shot the Weihrauch HW70?  Yeah, I saw that tune up kit for 160 clams as well. Sheesh.
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