Mac1 scope mount/Crosman 120

[TerryM]

  Ordered a couple of Tim's vintage Crosman mounts last week.  Decided this evening I would experiment with my old model 120.  Mounted a Weaver B4, everything went together easy as pie.  Had it zeroed in a half dozen or so shots.  This rifle was pretty accurate with the original peep sight but it's amazing with a scope.  Fine product, this mount.  Loading is a bit fiddly but not something I can't get used to.

[45flint]

  Ordered a couple of Tim's vintage Crosman mounts last week.  Decided this evening I would experiment with my old model 120.  Mounted a Weaver B4, everything went together easy as pie.  Had it zeroed in a half dozen or so shots.  This rifle was pretty accurate with the original peep sight but it's amazing with a scope.  Fine product, this mount.  Loading is a bit fiddly but not something I can't get used to.

That looks very nice. Love the color and look of that stock. Elm is kind of cool.  How you zero so easy I’ll never know?  My 110 is next on my agenda with my extra Mac-1, going to try it a couple ways.  I’ve been shooting my scout scope about every day. I really am starting to think that’s the way to go I really like the open breach. But need to try my Weavers now. 

[Yng@hrt]

It does look great, as a matter of fact it looks outstanding, but I still don't get how you guys pump the rifle in that configuration. Maybe with this mount being as good as it is you can place your free hand over the scope?

[45flint]

It does look great, as a matter of fact it looks outstanding, but I still don't get how you guys pump the rifle in that configuration. Maybe with this mount being as good as it is you can place your free hand over the scope?

Even with the Scout position I’m putting 4 pumps in my 108 with my other hand still holding the stock grip.  Really not that much force is needed? If I would have to go to 6 or above I might have to hold the breech? Never go that high?

[Habanero69er]

So the Crosman IA mount does not have a relief cut into the "spring board" part of the mount like the Benjamin/Sheridan version. Surprising!

[TerryM]

  There are different ways to hold a gun while pumping.  Sometimes I'll hold the wrist of the stock with my free hand, other times I'll hook a finger over the muzzle end.  With some guns I can hold the forward end of the tube and let the lever move in and out between my thumb and fingers, butt against my waist.  With a compact enough scope, I can put my hand over it and take the force of closing against my fingertips on the stock. 

  All of my rifles that are scoped (nearly every one of them) have the scope over the breech in the conventional position.  I know the scout style works well and a lot of people like it, I probably would too if I tried it.  But I never have.  Just doesn't look right to me.

[45flint]

 
  All of my rifles that are scoped (nearly every one of them) have the scope over the breech in the conventional position.  I know the scout style works well and a lot of people like it, I probably would too if I tried it.  But I never have.  Just doesn't look right to me.

Love it, you are so right about the look, totally agree, I really bought another Mac-1 to get that long Weaver with the power adapter working.  Something about vintage long scope that look right on vintage rifles. 

[45flint]

So the Crosman IA mount does not have a relief cut into the "spring board" part of the mount like the Benjamin/Sheridan version. Surprising!

I have to assume he left it off because these are meant to work on so many different Crosman rifles it at times could be mis-positioned?  With the Sheridan it’s made for one gun?

[45flint]

For those that have issues thinking of a scout scope as looking correct, you need to look at this image daily. You will be cured in 30 days. 

[Yng@hrt]

I battled the same demons as you guys when considering the scout mount. It was totally outside the box as they say. Quite frankly I think pumpers are tailor made for them. Now that I’ve used them for quite some time, I think the look is also great.

[TerryM]

  If it works for you, go for it!

[Yng@hrt]

It does work & I have!

[Habanero69er]

So the Crosman IA mount does not have a relief cut into the "spring board" part of the mount like the Benjamin/Sheridan version. Surprising!

I have to assume he left it off because these are meant to work on so many different Crosman rifles it at times could be mis-positioned?  With the Sheridan it’s made for one gun?

I'm sure you're right about different Crosmans having different positioned breeches. But if the relief was down the entire length of the spring board, it would be more versatile. And so what if it didn't line up perfectly? It would still be less mount in the way of loading a pellet. Are Sheridan & Benjamins all the same in regards to their breech? I'm just surprised the relief was left off the Crosman.

[Habanero69er]

  There are different ways to hold a gun while pumping.  Sometimes I'll hold the wrist of the stock with my free hand, other times I'll hook a finger over the muzzle end.  With some guns I can hold the forward end of the tube and let the lever move in and out between my thumb and fingers, butt against my waist.  With a compact enough scope, I can put my hand over it and take the force of closing against my fingertips on the stock. 

  All of my rifles that are scoped (nearly every one of them) have the scope over the breech in the conventional position.  I know the scout style works well and a lot of people like it, I probably would too if I tried it.  But I never have.  Just doesn't look right to me.

Give it a try. You might find you like it better than conventional mounted. What do you have to loose?   

[Habanero69er]

It does work & I have!

+1

[Yng@hrt]

Sorry Terry, my intent is not to muddy the water. I think you wanting to keep the traditional look is commendable & by all means don’t change a thing. My intent is for you to just give it a try on just one of your not so prized models.

I had the traditional mount on the 880 simply because it’s the only mount possible where it is concerned & pumping the 880 is a breeze. I also do most of my shooting while hunting & I max each one out at 8 pumps. Wide open country out here so shots up to 75+ isn’t unusual. Getting the more powerful pumpers up to 8 pumps with the traditional mount is near impossible.

[TerryM]

  The dimensions of most of the early Crosman breeches are very nearly the same as the Benjamin and Sheridan guns.  The Crosman has just a little more length in front of the loading port, maybe 1/8".  I may try grinding some metal off the left side of the mount extension, I load with my left hand.  Another option is turning the mount around and placing both rings ahead of the adjustment turrets.   Most of my scopes are mounted this way.  It would look pretty awkward with the extension sticking way out front and not being used at all, but would leave the loading port wide open.  If I go that route, I could end up taking a hacksaw to one of these...

   

[TerryM]

  There are different ways to hold a gun while pumping.  Sometimes I'll hold the wrist of the stock with my free hand, other times I'll hook a finger over the muzzle end.  With some guns I can hold the forward end of the tube and let the lever move in and out between my thumb and fingers, butt against my waist.  With a compact enough scope, I can put my hand over it and take the force of closing against my fingertips on the stock. 

  All of my rifles that are scoped (nearly every one of them) have the scope over the breech in the conventional position.  I know the scout style works well and a lot of people like it, I probably would too if I tried it.  But I never have.  Just doesn't look right to me.

Give it a try. You might find you like it better than conventional mounted. What do you have to loose?   

  It would mean retiring nine rifle scope mounted on my pumpers and replacing them all with pistol scopes.  Yikes!

[Yng@hrt]

I haven’t done any research on vintage pistol scopes like the one in Steve’s pic. I think I may have found a new hobby…darn… $. Bet one of those would look really cool.

[Habanero69er]

  There are different ways to hold a gun while pumping.  Sometimes I'll hold the wrist of the stock with my free hand, other times I'll hook a finger over the muzzle end.  With some guns I can hold the forward end of the tube and let the lever move in and out between my thumb and fingers, butt against my waist.  With a compact enough scope, I can put my hand over it and take the force of closing against my fingertips on the stock. 

  All of my rifles that are scoped (nearly every one of them) have the scope over the breech in the conventional position.  I know the scout style works well and a lot of people like it, I probably would too if I tried it.  But I never have.  Just doesn't look right to me.

Give it a try. You might find you like it better than conventional mounted. What do you have to loose?   

  It would mean retiring nine rifle scope mounted on my pumpers and replacing them all with pistol scopes.  Yikes!

NO! You don't need to do all your pumpers. Just try it out on one to see if you like it. But do give it a fair minded trial for a month or two. If it isn't your cup of tea, then you've only made a minor investment.