Benjamin Titan XS NP barrel won't lock

[watersteps]

Hello Everyone,
To make a long story short, I puchased a Titan on line and it did not show up for 11 days. The seller returned my money and then it shows up. The package looked like it was bent in the middle. I opened it up and found that the barrel was already broke open. I tried to close it but it would not stay closed. It will close if you hold it closed. The locking pieces don't seem to be working.
Anyone ever run into this problem.
Thanks

[Roadworthy]

I see a couple of issues here.  The seller returned your money?  I guess this isn't really your gun, then, it's his.  If the package was damaged I hope you filed a claim.  The shipper is responsible for damage in transit.

Whether the gun is new or not, the manufacturer would not be liable for warranty claims against a damaged gun.

Why will it not stay closed?  It sounds as though something is bent or sprung - if all the parts are there.  It is normally held closed by a spring loaded wedge in the barrel block latching under a cross piece in the body of the gun.  If the gun cannot close all the way due to something blocking its travel the latch may not catch.  Check for loose pieces - perhaps some compressible packing material in the action.

[watersteps]

Thank You,
 Well it is not mine as of now, if the seller wants to keep the rifle I will return it if he pays shipping. This a used rifle and I made him an offer on it. I also believe that the round wedge piece is damaged or the pin in the barrel. I will not take it apart until I know what he wants to do. I was just looking for some possible fixes if I can find a parts manual.

[Roadworthy]

Parts manuals and user manuals are online at Crosman.com.  Parts prices are quite reasonable through Crosman but if you're not keeping the gun that part is irrelevant.

[Hoosier Daddy]

With the barrel open, can you depress the wedge shaped lock (13) ? it is spring (12) loaded plunger and should extend out far enough to catch the detent pin (14).
 That's assuming it's a Benjamin Titan NP (BW8M22NP) if so, here is your Diagram.
file:///C:/Users/Scott/Downloads/BW8M22NP%20EVP%20&%20PL.pdf

[watersteps]

Thank You,
I did find a diagram and without cocking the rifle it is very hard to see the wedge shape lock on these Titans XS rifles. I made the owner an offer for the rifle and I don't want to take it apart until I know it is mine.
I am convinced that the wedge lock, (alive jam #12) or the #11 jam spring  is the problem.
Someone has worked on this rifle because it has the ball bearing trigger upgrade.

[watersteps]

Well the Titan XS is now mine. I removed the barrel and piston assembly. When the barrel is separated from the stock it closes and locks fine. I put the barrel back in  the stock and only used the rear screw, the one behind the trigger. It works fine.
I put the front screws in and left them loose, did not lock up, removed the screws and it locks up.
I will continue to investigate this problem.

Meanwhile, 

The lock spring is still a little weak in my mine, I can push on the wedge with my finger and it does move in. I removed the lock or wedge and spring, the spring is bent, in other words when you stand it up on a flat surface it look like the leaning tower of pisa.
I added a .040 shim to the spring and I will try that.

I will keep everyone informed of what happens next.

[Hoosier Daddy]

Is the one (last) screw too long? Compare it in length to the other. Maybe the seller got it swapped by mistake.

on the other...
 What if instead of a shim, you just stretch the spring? Maybe you could pull the bend out of it too?

[Roadworthy]

You can try a couple of washers under your front stock screws.  I like to use a star washer immediately under the screw head and a flat washer between it and the stock.  This spaces the screws out and helps prevent them from backing out or damaging the stock.  I also replace my screws with Allen head machine screws.  They are metric but I do not recall the size.  The rear screw can be replaced with an Allen head as well.

The alive jam hole can be lubricated to facilitate smooth movement.  The face of the alive jam can be lubricated as well.  Crosman can sell you the proper replacement spring for a very reasonable price.

Good luck with your project.

[watersteps]

OK, well the back screw is longer and it is a larger OD size.
I put it all back together and it feels like the stock webs directly under the bear trap are hitting the bear trap.
I pulled it apart and removed about 1/8th of an inch of the 3 webs in question.
The rifle went back together a lot smoother then before, I tightened up the 3 screws equality. After that it then broke open and locked with a click.
Now I believe the spring was sprung some so the shims helped.
The two front screws started and turned in very easy con paired to the first couple times I screwed them in.
OK now I will mount the scope and sight it in and then take it down to the gun shop and maybe someone will her.
Thanks to All for the info.

[watersteps]

The last line on my other post was supposed to BUY her. Sorry

[watersteps]

OK this is the final post on this.
The last line on my earlier post should say.
(OK now I will mount the scope and sight it in and then take it down to the gun shop and maybe someone will buy her.)
Thanks Again

[Hoosier Daddy]

All this so you could just "flip" it... Gee thanks... or you're welcome is more appropriate.
I am glad we could help you earn $ instead of enjoying your project gun. 

[watersteps]

At this time I think it would be best to say nothing, have a nice day.

[Hoosier Daddy]

And the same to you Wade, that came out more harsh than I meant it.
I really am glad you got it figured out and the seller worked with you as well.
Nothing wrong with making a buck when you can.
Good luck to you!

[Back_Roads]

 Some of us are just too addicted to even consider flipping a gun 

[Hoosier Daddy]

Some of us are just too addicted to even consider flipping a gun 

*raises hand*
That would be me I guess!
HAHAHA