Winchester 1100ss

[lefteyeshot]

After I got the set screw adjusted right I squirted some blue loc-tite down in there in hopes it'll seep in and around the threads. And loc -tite the stock screw with the two lock washers under it.

Mighty refinish the stock and knock off the open sights. Got a couple of metal muzzle breaks might look good on it. One from PA and another from ARH.

I think it's worthy of a one piece off-set mount and a scope with some mag and AO and some mildots. Maybe some reticle lum for the heck of it. A Simmons 30mm.

[Wolfer]

It was a bloody day today for the little carbine. 5 ground squirrels, 11starlings. Shooting the little Berman coated hollow points,cheap.    Mike

[Earl]

Make this:



Put it here:



It adjusts the final sear engagement.

You'll likely end up with only about three threads and it seats way down in the bottom of the hole so that the stock screw can still be tightened fully.

Can this screw be bought at a hardware store?
What do I ask for at the hardware store?

[lefteyeshot]

Earl, the bolt in the picture you show was fabricated from a bolt. The head cut off, the groove in the end cut with a hack saw and the threads machined off the other end.

It might be best to read all the thread and the original thread this one came from and see how different people did it.


I found a set screw that had a hex hole for an allen wrench in my air gun parts bin. It worked. but with the stock screw all the way in and against the set screw the gun wouldn't cock. This mod takes a lot of trail and error to get right. In the end I used a couple of lock washers to keep the stock screw from touching the new trigger adjustment screw.

Improvement was modest. 5 1/2 lbs. trigger pull  down to 4. But now very short first stage and the trigger breaks clean no creep. much better. But not magic like a GRT trigger.

[Matchstickshooter]

Tim,
 I remember going with your idea of the hex hole, came home from the hardware with a couple of different lengths. Found the one to do the job without cutting or grinding. Loctited in place and even room for the stock bolt.
 ( Course, I sold that Winnie off a couple of months ago.....)

[Earl]

Tim,
 I remember going with your idea of the hex hole, came home from the hardware with a couple of different lengths. Found the one to do the job without cutting or grinding. Loctited in place and even room for the stock bolt.
 ( Course, I sold that Winnie off a couple of months ago.....)

What was the length of set screw that you used?
Please make a guess if you do not remember.  9 or 10 or 11 or 12 or 13 mm

[Matchstickshooter]

I had picked up a couple of different lengths to try. The one left over is an 11, so the one I put in may have been a 10.
 I placed a pellet in the chamber, cocked the gun( set it in the stock to help cock it) aiming into my trap I took the safety off and turned the screw inward slowly, until the gun went off. then backed it off a half turn.  Mounted the stock making sure the stock screw fit.
 Then I did the whole process over, using loctite on that set screw.
 (dang, now I want another  1100!)    Hope this helps!

[Earl]

I had picked up a couple of different lengths to try. The one left over is an 11, so the one I put in may have been a 10.
 I placed a pellet in the chamber, cocked the gun( set it in the stock to help cock it) aiming into my trap I took the safety off and turned the screw inward slowly, until the gun went off. then backed it off a half turn.  Mounted the stock making sure the stock screw fit.
 Then I did the whole process over, using loctite on that set screw.
 (dang, now I want another  1100!)    Hope this helps!

Good information, thanks a lot.
I will take the stock screw from the gun to match the diameter and threads but I needed a length.
Does this one look right?
https://www.homedepot.com/p/Everbilt-6-mm-x-10-mm-Alloy-Socket-Set-Screw-2-per-Pack-813888/204274259

Amazon has the Winchester 1100s for $29.  That is where I got mine.

[Matchstickshooter]

Looks right... as I said I tried a couple of different lengths,  pennies a piece out of the parts drawers in hardware store.

I frequent that a lot, for O rings as well.

Good luck with it!


Amazon for $29???  Do you have a link?

[mikeyb]

I posted about the Crazy Daisy (Winchester 1100s) on Amazon for $29 on the Bargain Gate. That is now gone/back-ordered at a higher price.

https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=160790.msg155789513#msg155789513

I had good results on the $59 one from Walmart, so I didn't hesitate to order a second one for $29.
This rekindled my desire to explore inside the original $59 rifle. It was shooting well

>> https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=152549.msg155699551#msg155699551

but I felt the trigger could be made a little nicer. No need to go past the trigger for now since its had a solid thump (no twang) shot cycle from day one.

I rounded (fine file) and polished (1500 grit wet/dry) one 90 degree inside edge of the trigger blade (black) that contacts the first sear lever (silver). The factory "sharp" edge was scraping (creeping) along the sear lever. This contact point felt silky smooth after the rounding and polishing. Not a huge change by itself, but it helped. Arrow points to location in the image below.

Original trigger blade return spring wire was 0.045" diameter. A little too stiff IMHO. I made a new spring like this

 >> https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=152549.msg155699230#msg155699230

using 0.029" Full Hard Temper Steel Spring Wire (Amazon). It reduced the (fake) first stage take-up force so I could easily feel a second stage wall (final sear contact to fire).

The lighter trigger blade spring dropped the resting tension on it and made the sloppy side-to-side play MUCH more noticeable. I made a small plastic washer ~0.025" thick out of HDPE from an old bleach jug and used it to remove the trigger blade side-play.


Then I created a sear-preload screw similar to this one.

 >> https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=141265.msg1427060#msg1427060

Cut about 0.3" (~8mm) off the end of an M6 screw. Rounded and polished one end and cut a screwdriver slot in the other. Wrapped teflon tape around it to make it a snug fit. Adjusted this screw in to just "touch" the second sear lever. An equivalent M6x8mm socket head grub screw should work just fine.

Then I cocked the rifle action (not in the stock), loaded a pellet, secured the action, pointed muzzle into a safe pellet catch, and adjusted the screw to get what "looked" like about 0.030" overlap on the main sear and piston latch. The overlap without the screw adjustment looks to be about 0.060", which usually results in a longer second stage than I like. Once the action was returned to the stock, the ~0.030" overlap bump tested safe and reduced the second stage travel very close to what I like on my triggers.

All these changes combined made the trigger action feel much better. A long but very light fist stage hits a firm second stage wall. Trigger scale says second stage to fire averages 3 lbs. Minimal second stage travel is smooth and repeatable.

Shot about 100 pellets after the trigger mods. My groups didn't improve much, but the smooth predicable trigger now makes it easier to focus on proper hold and form.

[Earl]

Thank you Michael!
I will try the M6x8mm socket head grub screw for sure on my $29 Winchester 1100s plus I have a Daisy 1101ws that I think has the same trigger.
Someone else suggested a 10 mm set screw so I will probably buy the 8 mm, 9 mm and 10 mm set screws and use the one that works the best.
I think someone suggested cocking the gun and then turning the set screw until the gun fired and then backing the set screw out 1/2 turn.  Then bump testing the gun.

[mikeyb]

You are welcome. I will be making the same mods to my $29 1100s trigger today and will post some photos of the parts & mods.

[mikeyb]

Modified my Winchester 1100s triggers. Not perfect, but much improved.
Details became another wordy post with lots of photos that fit better on my WordPress site.

https://michaeljbernard.wordpress.com/

To anyone with a similar rifle and trigger, these mods can help. They can also be dangerous so please be careful, be safe.

Good Luck!

[Matchstickshooter]

Modified my Winchester 1100s triggers. Not perfect, but much improved.
Details became another wordy post with lots of photos that fit better on my WordPress site.

https://michaeljbernard.wordpress.com/

To anyone with a similar rifle and trigger, these mods can help. They can also be dangerous so please be careful, be safe.

Good Luck!

Nice job, and nice write up!!