Banned From YouTube

[Marc In Iowa]

... living in their parents basement because they cannot get a job

The last time I heard a phrase like this, the mischief was caused by paid Russian hackers working out of a building in St Petersburg.

Remember, the ads placed on Facebook by Russians covered both sides of various issues with the intent to inflame and divide us. Putin's Russia is no friend of the U.S. We should all be careful not to play into their hands.

Just sayin'

[Sfttailrdr46]

Guys lets focus on the YouTube channels that were shut down and are being restored rather that speculation. As facts as to the source of the problem please present them as verified facts not speculation and above please keep politics out of the thread when posting new information.

[LDP]

Guys lets focus on the YouTube channels that were shut down and are being restored rather that speculation. As facts as to the source of the problem please present them as verified facts not speculation and above please keep politics out of the thread when posting new information.

Theres only one problem in that statement. Yes some channels have been restored but more are being terminated at the same time. Racknload was up and running this whole time until the last few hours. racknload was terminated after the big channels had been restored. This isnt over yet.

[Bullfrog]

Guys lets focus on the YouTube channels that were shut down and are being restored rather that speculation. As facts as to the source of the problem please present them as verified facts not speculation and above please keep politics out of the thread when posting new information.

Theres only one problem in that statement. Yes some channels have been restored but more are being terminated at the same time. Racknload was up and running this whole time until the last few hours. racknload was terminated after the big channels had been restored. This isnt over yet.

Exactly. What I'm concerned is going to happen is a few of the big names will be restored because they have the clout and money of the airgun industry behind them. But us little guys might remain shut out, and the big guys may not shed a tear because that keeps the pie from being cut up into smaller slices. Every couple of hours I get another notification from Youtube that they've age restricted another video, and there's still be no word on my appeal concerning my strike or the video that was removed.

I hope it doesn't work out that way. But it will be highly problematic if it does.

[WesBob]

Yep, this is definitely not over yet.

[Novagun]

Keep politics out of this--- I don't think you can. It is politics.

It hasn't had any effect down here. I can still get videos of Rick Eusla and others so the shut downs must be selective.

The ones mentioned as being shut down I have not heard of but that just means I had not found them.

[Charles Outdoors]

Ask yourself why Youtube would shut down Airgun channels and leave Demolition Ranch and Hicok45 along with thousands of other firearms channels up. Why would they restore videos and channels. It not a Youtube conspiracy. Someone is flagging these channels and manipulating Youtube's reporting system.  Look at the channels that were affected. Then looks at the hundreds that aren't well known in our community that haven't been touched. I see nothing political about this. I think this is an attack from within.   

[Charles Outdoors]

Yep, this is definitely not over yet.

Not until they stop whoever is flagging the videos or fix the reporting system.

[WesBob]

Yep, this is definitely not over yet.

Not until they stop whoever is flagging the videos or fix the reporting system.

Exactly

[MartyMcFly]

If these are malicious and organized takedowns by social justice warriors and not Google's own agenda, then it might be considered tortious interference. These individuals or groups are after all destroying the livelihoods of the content creators by interfering in the business relationship between Google and the creators. I'm not a lawyer, but perhaps the content creators have good cause to impel google to identify the users that are flagging the videos in order to bring legal action against them. People who are the victims of defamation can ask to have anonymous internet users identified to file a lawsuit and perhaps a similar argument can be used in this situation.

This form of action may not only scare the social justice warriors, but it can force Google to fix their system, after all they don't want to be in the middle of such lawsuits. Lastly, this may bring about other scary scenarios into focus for Google, such as class action lawsuits. If the content providers can prove that at the time of termination they were not in breach of their contracts, they may have grounds for legal action. Despite vague contracts that are usually written to protect the service providers each state has its own laws that can provide additional protections despite what Google may have laid out in their agreements with user and creators.

I want to stress that I am not a lawyer, but these are ideas I would explore if my livelihood was impacted and I would go to great lengths to organize with other content providers to spread the costs of the legal action and to put more weight behind the issue.

The San Bernardino terrorist had iPhones and obviously the FBI and Homeland Security wanted to know the content of this device to prevent further attacks and find co-conspirators.

Liberal, American hating, Silicon Valley Apple refused to cooperate. The DOJ was preparing a suit, and that is when the FBI hired some top hackers to break into the iPhones of these terrorist to complete their investigations and do their jobs.

Do you think for one minute that Google/YouTube is going to cough up the name of some social justice warrior, living in their parents basement because they cannot get a job, to some local lawyer so that content creators can sue for damages???

Never happen. Not in a million years. I applaud your theory and the idea behind this, but Silicon Valley and our tech overlords are more powerful than the federal government. They know more about you and I than the feds ever will.

All that, and lets be honest, Google/YouTube is happy to eliminate people who do not accept their ideology. They will be happy to remove First Amendment, Second Amendment, and Third Amendment supporters, and go with, "Gee, must be a glitch in our algorithm on how we find inappropriate content. So sorry.."

I love you...
Check's in the mail...

...well, you know the rest.

Get off YouTube. Go direct to content creators websites. Financially support them.

F YT.

I agree with you, we should support content creators directly, but if we think there is no hope addressing this with Google then we are being defeatist and rebuilding from scratch right now is a non-starter for many of the creators. Their best option is to see if they can use legal avenues to protect their livelihoods, the fact that Google was restoring some channels means that they are interested in the $$$ that those channels bring in, otherwise they would not get restored. I don't think we can draw clear parallels to the terrorist attack as easily as you imply. Google, may say they won't reveal who flagged the videos, but the threat of legal action may cause them to change how they handle channel terminations.

I am very worried about how our community is being impacted, but cooler heads must prevail in solving this problem lest we cause more harm without thinking things through.

[Sfttailrdr46]

The above responses to my last post proves that there can be posting about the attacks on our hobby and the contributors that post their videos on YouTube with focus on the problem and no political statements. We as a large community need to unite across the entire spectrum of air gun posters and bloggers and need to work on the solution as an organized entity. I know for a fact that there is more than sufficient talent and tech savvy to ferret out the true culprits and shine a bright light on who they are and exactly what they are doing.

[DameSp]

Unfortunately the way things work, The media, and as a result, the country as a whole needs something to blame...  because, also unfortunately, admitting the truth that parenting, education and instilling manners and morality in the younger generations has been going downhill for quite some time...  is just too real and harsh of a reality.  We all need something/someone to demonize when the truth is too painful and complicated to come to terms with.

I love this sport/hobby and will remain hopeful regardless...  but I’m still admittedly scared.

[TF89]

This is going to take awhile to sort out, looks like Teds Holdover was targeted as his video are now gone after he put them back in the public domain.   Edit, actually not sure what is going on with Teds site as he says he privatized them again, yet I'm seeing the no video available icon.  Too confusing for me.

Regarding comments about the big fish not caring about the little guy.  What are the big players going to be able to really do when they are also subjected to the same arbitrary restrictions?  Sites are being taken down, reinstated and then targeted again.  I do believe that supporting the  bigger name content providers is the only way to help those with a smaller audience.  If nothing else the bigger players are looking at options for posting content and that will benefit all content producers.

Of course this is strictly IMHO.

Hopefully it will all work out in a favorable way for the airgun community.

[Jr007]

Take ACTION

We will not sit idly by while monopoly corporations like Google and CNN strangle free speech.

Call YouTube and demand that they support free speech by removing the strikes from the all Conservative Christian, Pro American, Pro 1st and 2nd Amendment, Airgun and Hunting Channel: +1 650-253-0000

[Bullfrog]

Regarding comments about the big fish not caring about the little guy.  What are the big players going to be able to really do when they are also subjected to the same arbitrary restrictions?  Sites are being taken down, reinstated and then targeted again.  I do believe that supporting the  bigger name content providers is the only way to help those with a smaller audience.  If nothing else the bigger players are looking at options for posting content and that will benefit all content producers.

My concern was more directed at some of the posts from the bigger channels that were happening yesterday that seemed to start taking the tone that all was well now and Youtube is swell for fixing the problem. Of course, we now know that was jumping the gun a bit.

I just want to make sure that everyone gets treated fairly and equally. Youtube removed my strike today and reinstated a banned video. That's great for me. But a lot of guys in my class of channel size still haven't got their channels back. Not to mention I now have to start fighting age restrictions and its likely several others will as well. Age restrictions might was well be a channel ban when they are applied to most or all of a person's viral videos.

[RAJOD]

The above responses to my last post proves that there can be posting about the attacks on our hobby and the contributors that post their videos on YouTube with focus on the problem and no political statements. We as a large community need to unite across the entire spectrum of air gun posters and bloggers and need to work on the solution as an organized entity. I know for a fact that there is more than sufficient talent and tech savvy to ferret out the true culprits and shine a bright light on who they are and exactly what they are doing.

Agreed,

I went on youtube today and was able to watch American Airgunner videos and Daystate videos.

Maybe this was just a glitch that was exploited and things will go back to normal for all affected channels.
I can't see you tube shutting those sites down without warning.   

I think they will go back up.    Something that affects so many peoples income is not usually done like this.   Could be people abusing the system manipulating the algorithms to get channels closed.

If its an exploit YouTube needs to address this is software so its not so easy to manipulate.  It did cause panic as you can see from Teds video and another one where he chose to show himself crying on youtube of the shut down.

Pulling the income from so many without reason and warning will usually involve legal action.  So I think it will be resolved before it comes down to that.

[Back_Roads]

 Is there not a space shuttle scheduled to depart in 2020 to take those people off the planet and drop them off on Mars ?

[Bullseyeft]

Unfortunately the way things work, The media, and as a result, the country as a whole needs something to blame...  because, also unfortunately, admitting the truth that parenting, education and instilling manners and morality in the younger generations has been going downhill for quite some time...  is just too real and harsh of a reality.  We all need something/someone to demonize when the truth is too painful and complicated to come to terms with.

I love this sport/hobby and will remain hopeful regardless...  but I’m still admittedly scared.

Totally agree. To much giving them everything for nothing. No respect or responsibility. They think they are owed whatever they want and don't have to do anything to get it.
Such a sad society that we live in today.

[Sfttailrdr46]

Great Britain tried that a couple hundred years ago and it backfired miserably. It would be better to just require people to acquire a parenting license so that those who wanted to have children were actually capable of handling early development educating of their offspring rather than rely the mirad of electronic nannies. If people were actually required to parent rather than just breed many of the current crop of   "bad kids" would actually be productive members of society rather than the many ticking timebombs that go undetected until it is too late to fix them. Much of the bullying and violence would be avoided if the concept of right and wrong were being taught at an early age rather than the current sense of entitlement 

[Back_Roads]

 Very Much Agreed !