Author Topic: Banned From YouTube (Read 24755 times - 2 votes)
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beachgunner · « **Reply #40 on:** February 23, 2018, 05:15:46 PM »

Brian,

Sorry to hear of your YT ban, but not surprised.

Hope you can post your videos directly to your webpage, and keep the learning rolling. All channels that have anything to do with guns are going to go that way.

Until the DOJ goes after Silicon Valley as the monopoly that it is, free speech is under full assault.

nervoustrigger · « **Reply #41 on:** February 23, 2018, 05:59:18 PM »

Reading over the Youtube community guidelines:
https://www.youtube.com/yt/about/policies/#community-guidelines
it all seems quite reasonable...if applied in the spirit it seems to be written. I encourage everyone to read it and see what you think. There's a lot of content on Youtube that seems to me to run close to the edges, and the fact that stuff hasn't been taken down would imply to any attentive content creator that they aren't enforcing it in a heavy handed manner. But...these recent bannings sure don't seem to follow this logic, much less being consistent with the written guidelines. Ultimately, it's their sandbox. As a private entity, they aren't beholden to support free speech and expression. They choose who can and can not participate. But if something that was okay to show yesterday suddenly isn't okay today, it will be seen as unfair and dishonest. That will drive people away--both content creators and viewers--which brings us to our choice...

toine · « **Reply #42 on:** February 23, 2018, 06:07:44 PM »

Quote from: nervoustrigger on February 23, 2018, 05:59:18 PM

Ultimately, it's their sandbox. As a private entity, they aren't beholden to support free speech and expression. They choose who can and can not participate. But if something that was okay to show yesterday suddenly isn't okay today, it will be seen as unfair and dishonest. That will drive people away--both content creators and viewers--which brings us to our choice...

That pretty much sums it up. Also, since it is not 100% across the board, it is unfair not only for content creators but for businesses as well. AoA lost their channel. That puts any other company that DOES still have a YT presence at an immediate advantage.

Habanero69er · « **Reply #43 on:** February 23, 2018, 07:14:58 PM »

Ban YouTube!

Sorry your 1st Amendment rights are being stepped on.

PelletsForPests · « **Reply #44 on:** February 23, 2018, 07:32:29 PM »

Someone please explain why Youtube can get away with this absolute nonsense, but if a little cake bakery says it only wants to make edible artwork for traditional Christian weddings.....
"OUCH!!!! STOP IT!!! YOU'RE HURTING ME!!!" Youtube cries out as it strikes

tracker1955 · « **Reply #45 on:** February 23, 2018, 07:48:10 PM »

Keep in mind that this doesn't have to be a whole team of people doing this to us at youtube, it only takes one liberal nut job with a mouse.

oldnamvet · « **Reply #46 on:** February 23, 2018, 08:36:37 PM »

I noticed the newest heat-to-head video from Airgun Depot has been "restricted" on youtube so it can't be viewed.

toine · « **Reply #47 on:** February 23, 2018, 08:54:42 PM »

Quote from: oldnamvet on February 23, 2018, 08:36:37 PM

I noticed the newest heat-to-head video from Airgun Depot has been "restricted" on youtube so it can't be viewed.

The Gamo Swarm Maxxim vs Walther Terrus one? I can see it fine now, but interesting...

Jr007 · « **Reply #48 on:** February 23, 2018, 10:24:02 PM »

Hey guy, No more PyramydAir videos.

LDP · « **Reply #49 on:** February 23, 2018, 11:40:14 PM »

Quote from: Habanero69er on February 23, 2018, 07:14:58 PM

Ban YouTube!

Sorry your 1st Amendment rights are being stepped on.

No they are not. You sign an agreement with youtube to post on their site. They set the rules and they can remove content as they see fit without explanation.

Quote from: PelletsForPests on February 23, 2018, 07:32:29 PM

Someone please explain why Youtube can get away with this absolute nonsense, but if a little cake bakery says it only wants to make edible artwork for traditional Christian weddings.....
"OUCH!!!! STOP IT!!! YOU'RE HURTING ME!!!" Youtube cries out as it strikes

Again its very simple. You sign a contract with youtube to use their domain to post on. When you sign that agreement you give them the right to decide what they want to allow you to post in their domain.

Its no different than this forum. If someone came on here and started breaking the rules they agree to follow for posting rights they would be removed. Yes the owner/ admins of this site decide what they want to allow to be posted and by who just the same as all other forums on the net.

SpiralGroove · « **Reply #50 on:** February 23, 2018, 11:47:59 PM »

Quote from: nervoustrigger on February 23, 2018, 05:59:18 PM

Ultimately, it's their sandbox. As a private entity, they aren't beholden to support free speech and expression. They choose who can and can not participate. But if something that was okay to show yesterday suddenly isn't okay today, it will be seen as unfair and dishonest. That will drive people away--both content creators and viewers--which brings us to our choice...

Yeah, I'm sure YouTube is trying to do the right thing, and more recent Junior/High School shootings haven't help. I think the larger population mostly see any gun video as aggressive and misleading to minors. We're definitely the Baby being thrown out with the bathwater on this one. However, my 12 year old Son has probably watched hours videos of people abusing shotguns, rifles and pistols in the worst possible sense. This is all presented as FUN/FUNNY

Because my father taught me how to shoot and respect gun's at an early age, I couldn't image of anything more naturally, fun/safe as working on or plinking with airguns. Unfortunately, there is too many unguided Kids and Adults in today's world - period. This is Private censorship by well meaning, but profit oriented corporation, dealing with a global audience.

Well meaning Marketers will just have to find another niche to promote their stuff, and I'm sure they will .............

Now the Photobucket decision was more outright Greedy

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toine · « **Reply #51 on:** February 23, 2018, 11:53:04 PM »

Quote from: LDP on February 23, 2018, 11:40:14 PM

You sign a contract with youtube to use their domain to post on. When you sign that agreement you give them the right to decide what they want to allow you to post in their domain.

Its no different than this forum. If someone came on here and started breaking the rules they agree to follow for posting rights they would be removed. Yes the owner/ admins of this site decide what they want to allow to be posted and by who just the same as all other forums on the net.

Thanks for sharing this as it sums things up pretty "dang" well.

In regards to YouTube and Airgun videos It somewhat needs to be an all or nothing deal at this point. YouTube by being selective in how it decides to arbitrarily apply and enforce it's community guidelines and self policing standards has gong down a very slippery slope of creating a technological controlled caste and censorship system. Businesses that somehow manage to stay on YouTube are in effect given a 'golden ticket', while those who are left on the sidelines are, to put it frankly, screwed over. Unlike websites or video hosting services such as Vimeo, D-Tube, Daily Motion etc, YouTube is based on being a social sharing and discovery platform first, a content sharing system second. Those who are left outside of it's gilded gates are going to pay the consequences.

PelletsForPests · « **Reply #52 on:** February 24, 2018, 01:18:10 AM »

Quote from: LDP on February 23, 2018, 11:40:14 PM

Again its very simple. You sign a contract with youtube to use their domain to post on. When you sign that agreement you give them the right to decide what they want to allow you to post in their domain.

Its no different than this forum. If someone came on here and started breaking the rules they agree to follow for posting rights they would be removed. Yes the owner/ admins of this site decide what they want to allow to be posted and by who just the same as all other forums on the net.

You're stating the obvious, but as you highlight, I asked for it. I'm a firm believer that individuals/companies/forums/etc. should be able to do what they want at the expense of losing customers, but thats not the way our country really works though. At least not as far as I can tell. Seems to me there are established "victimized groups" (which just so happen to generally lean extremely far left) that get to bully around conservative companies/people, and sue them into poverty if they think they've done anything that remotely resembles discrimination, meanwhile, stuff like this https://www.thecollegefix.com/post/32946/ happens all the time, and its what... part and parcel? Its the hypocrisy of it all, man. Its not like they're JUST censoring gun videos. This has been going on for YEARS, across all four major social media platforms, and its all indicative of how "social justice" has literally nothing to do with justice, and everything to do with silencing those who libs percieve won't mindlessly agree with an agenda that can't even figure out which bathroom to use... Sigh... I digress, and frankly apologize if I'm as bad as them only on the other side. My grandfather/great uncle didn't fight the Nazi's so that their offspring could be called Nazi's just generations later for holding the exact same pro-American, conservative views though...

Bryan Heimann · « **Reply #53 on:** February 24, 2018, 01:23:46 AM »

Glad I got to see the Swarm vs. Terrus video last night. Sad it's come to this. I love to look at stuff on youtube, but if it's this bad, I can't support it.

LDP · « **Reply #54 on:** February 24, 2018, 01:52:41 AM »

Quote from: PelletsForPests on February 24, 2018, 01:18:10 AM

Quote from: LDP on February 23, 2018, 11:40:14 PM

Again its very simple. You sign a contract with youtube to use their domain to post on. When you sign that agreement you give them the right to decide what they want to allow you to post in their domain.

Its no different than this forum. If someone came on here and started breaking the rules they agree to follow for posting rights they would be removed. Yes the owner/ admins of this site decide what they want to allow to be posted and by who just the same as all other forums on the net.

You're stating the obvious, but as you highlight, I asked for it. I'm a firm believer that individuals/companies/forums/etc. should be able to do what they want at the expense of losing customers, but thats not the way our country really works though. At least not as far as I can tell. Seems to me there are established "victimized groups" (which just so happen to generally lean extremely far left) that get to bully around conservative companies/people, and sue them into poverty if they think they've done anything that remotely resembles discrimination, meanwhile, stuff like this https://www.thecollegefix.com/post/32946/ happens all the time, and its what... part and parcel? Its the hypocrisy of it all, man. Its not like they're JUST censoring gun videos. This has been going on for YEARS, across all four major social media platforms, and its all indicative of how "social justice" has literally nothing to do with justice, and everything to do with silencing those who libs percieve won't mindlessly agree with an agenda that can't even figure out which bathroom to use... Sigh... I digress, and frankly apologize if I'm as bad as them only on the other side. My grandfather/great uncle didn't fight the Nazi's so that their offspring could be called Nazi's just generations later for holding the exact same pro-American, conservative views though...

In a perfect world people from both sides of the argument would be able to post their ideas and be heard. That does happen sometimes when both sides act as adults and speak with respect while they explain their feelings on any given subject.

People say youtube is antigun and I personally dont know that to be fact or not and they use that statement to argue that youtube is punishing channels that are pro gun. For sake of argument lets say youtube is antigun so if thats true why are people surprised with their actions then? Why do people keep driving revenue to a company like youtube that doesnt support their lifestyle or rights under the constitution? If youtube is anti gun then I have no grounds to complain if they stop allowing all content that has anything to do with guns, airguns, hunting or just shooting for fun since it is their domain. I would expect youtube to do just that if I believed they were antigun.

Lets flip the coin now. What do you think would happen if people who are anti gun, airgun, hunting and plinking joined this forum or other gun, airgun, hunting and plinking forums and started to post videos and threads supporting their anti gun ideas? Do you think the owners/admins of those forums would allow anti gun/airgun members to push their agenda? I bet most or all of that content would be removed along with the members posting the content. My grandpa would say "whats good for the goose is good for the gander".

Both sides are correct in wanting to remove content they find offensive or against their beliefs after all thats one reason to have a forum dedicated to what you like to do. What people should be concerned about is the continued support and making money for the anti gun/ hunting entities out there by pro gun/hunting people.

crosman999 · « **Reply #55 on:** February 24, 2018, 04:23:21 AM »

Very sorry to hear that so many have been bullied by YouTube lately. I've been preparing for this for awhile now and moved much of my content to Vimeo as well as several other hosting sites. I think difficult situations like this may just bring us all closer, something great is in the works and can't wait to share it in the next week. The worst feeling is to walk on eggshells and have to wonder when someone's going to push a button and delete content. For some like myself it's not just content, it's hours of hard work and creativity and memories in video form. Very sad times!!

WesBob · « **Reply #56 on:** February 24, 2018, 06:02:42 AM »

Looking forward to the solution you all are cooking up!

Habanero69er · « **Reply #57 on:** February 24, 2018, 09:09:09 AM »

Quote from: tracker1955 on February 23, 2018, 07:48:10 PM

Keep in mind that this doesn't have to be a whole team of people doing this to us at youtube, it only takes one liberal nut job with a mouse.

+1

It allegedly only took one person with an agenda to "accidentally" shut down Trump's Twitter account!

Sfttailrdr46 · « **Reply #58 on:** February 24, 2018, 10:12:19 AM »

Unfortunately censoring information will always happen this is nothing new and has occurred throughout history. Censoring is a double edged sword and cuts both ways. Youtube is a business and it is all about $$$$$ so if they see viewer and site visits drop off dramatically the censoring decisions will be rethought. IF we vote with our internet surfing even the ~15,000 members here and other members of hunting ,fishing and shooting sports forums stop visiting youtube the negative impact on their advertisers income will be quickly drawn to the decision makers attention.So like I said this whole thing is all about $$$$ and where the revenue comes from.

StevenG · « **Reply #59 on:** February 24, 2018, 11:49:04 AM »

Quote from: Habanero69er on February 23, 2018, 07:14:58 PM

Ban YouTube!

Sorry your 1st Amendment rights are being stepped on.

YouTube is the government now?

This is a simple property rights issue. Should I be allowed to paint my advertising on your house?

The government should never force anyone to host a message they don't want to.

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