1" Group Accuracy-554 yds-Texan--Video

[rifle50]

You are an amazing shot.
In the 99th percentile of shooters!
I would hazard a guess that most shooters, PB or especially air,  could not hit that well at a third the distance.
Hey, thinking on it, your shooting is better than most shooters I see at the range at 100 yards!  And I go weekly so have lots of comparison data.
It's not just the hardware, having shot NRA HP Rifle (service rifle class, M1 Garand) for years I can testify that the meatware is the most important factor.

Thanks......I will comment that if the gun CAN'T shoot somewhat consistently, or splatter all over the target, no matter how good the shooter, results won't be good. Or a good shooter can NOT get good results from a not so good gun....

You mention High Power. Up till 3 yrs ago, I competed in the F-Open Class in the High Power Matches  up to 1000 yds. Those shooters at the top of the Food Chain all have pretty equal equipment. Thus the difference then becomes the shooter and his  ability to read the conditions, Wind and Mirage.  So when I was beaten by someone, it wasn't the gun but I made a mistake in reading conditions. In this game, the person  making the fewest mistakes, wins, always..Unless the gun  malfunctioned mid match!!

But to your point, it does take both a good gun and shooter to get good results......Carl 

[rifle50]

Heck Carl, I can match that first group...at 50 yards! LOL!!!

pv

I bet you can!!  But past couple of years, have read that some really think 50 yd range is really doing something

Carl

[uncle paulie]

Yep, the industry sure has made huge strides in accuracy/distance over the last few years; unfortunately, I haven't!!! 

pv

[rifle50]

Nice shooting Carl, really nice!
The tex is ticking like a very fine clock. Tracks perfect and level, couldn't be better than that I guess.
The devil is in the detail, all the little nuances are correct and this is what you get.
One day one of my rifles will do the same, I have set my mind on that goal.

Marko

Thanks Marko.........""The devil is in the detail, all the little nuances are correct and this is what you get.""

You totally understand,my man...People ask my barrel etc expecting it will be my gun.  Not even realizing the length, Bore/Land Ratio, width of these lands, how many grooves, twist rate wanted and all made to my specs, then won't fit in a Texan airgun till a LOT of machining. Chamber reamer was custom ground to MY SPECS, with Maximum diameter and degrees of leed angle. I didn't just happen to slap a cheap $50 rubber moun Bi-Pod on but one with Skis that slide and teflon taped.......I designed rear rest in same manner as bi-pod. Rear rest was poured  with molten lead and stays put on recoil and all weighting and balanced.......All  of this was thought out BEFORE. I asked Doug about things and he did a valve in 3 different installments each with more power......I gave info to Gunsmith for machining the parts that needed it. So someone just thinking a certain part does it will waste time and money. ALL WORKS TOGETHER..........So glad you get it............Again thanks for your input.

Carl

[lloyd-ss]

Carl,
Thank you for all the information, especially posts #18 and #23. They are very eye opening, humbling, and educational, and show me how much I don't know, in fact, not even what questions I need to ask. The various techniques you have employed, make perfectly logical sense, but again, I didn't even know that those were problems that needed to be addressed.  No shortcuts for years and years of experience.

[rifle50]

Thats some GREAT shooting AND grouping right there.  Like someone else said, you and your gun are ticking like a Swiss watch.

Thanks Cedric..........It don't do that every time but does work well.....I am pleased with TEX....Thanks for commenting

Carl

[rifle50]

Even 3 shots that close together are a HUGE accomplishment at that range, my congratulations, Sir !!! .... The two combined groups at 5-3/4" indicate you have accomplished MOA accuracy at that range.... quite a spectacular feat with any rifle.... WELL DONE !!!

Bob

Thank you very much Bob.....Has been a 3 yr airgun journey getting  to this point.  I found pleasure in doing it and from queries I get personally, others are doing  a lot more long range with air as I predicted, and that is nice.

Good luck in your endeavors...................Carl

[lloyd-ss]

 Hi Carl. I was studying the video and looking at your set-up at about 0:45.  In particular your recoil slide system. I'd like to try and describe it, and then if you would be so kind, please tell me where I have misinterpreted what you have. The rear rest is a very heavy cradle that the bottle rests in and slides front to back, in a controlled manner, parallel to the barrel. The cradle and bottle employ Teflon tape to make the sliding very low friction. The front slides, which are not visible, are a special bipod with skis, Teflon on the bottom, that slide on a stiff mat on the table. The gun slides easily front to back, but the important thing is that it slides in a straight line parallel to the line of sight. The butt plate on the back of the bottle fits your shoulder, and your shoulder manages the recoil, but the slide system maintains the alignment. Your cheek weld is directly on the bottle. Is that anywhere near correct?
I have a question about the slide system.  Each time the gun is fired, does the POA stay directly on the target, or do you have to do a slight realignment after each shot.
I might not be seeing it right, but the barrel looks to be about an inch in diameter. Is that correct?
The entire system (gun with rests and slides) looks very heavy. Do you know how much the entire system weighs?
Thank you very much for sharing your experience with us.
Lloyd

[rifle50]

Hi Carl. I was studying the video and looking at your set-up at about 0:45.  In particular your recoil slide system. I'd like to try and describe it, and then if you would be so kind, please tell me where I have misinterpreted what you have. The rear rest is a very heavy cradle that the bottle rests in and slides front to back, in a controlled manner, parallel to the barrel. The cradle and bottle employ Teflon tape to make the sliding very low friction. The front slides, which are not visible, are a special bipod with skis, Teflon on the bottom, that slide on a stiff mat on the table. The gun slides easily front to back, but the important thing is that it slides in a straight line parallel to the line of sight. The butt plate on the back of the bottle fits your shoulder, and your shoulder manages the recoil, but the slide system maintains the alignment. Your cheek weld is directly on the bottle. Is that anywhere near correct?
I have a question about the slide system.  Each time the gun is fired, does the POA stay directly on the target, or do you have to do a slight realignment after each shot.
I might not be seeing it right, but the barrel looks to be about an inch in diameter. Is that correct?
The entire system (gun with rests and slides) looks very heavy. Do you know how much the entire system weighs?
Thank you very much for sharing your experience with us.
Lloyd

Hi  Lloyd,

You have digested it pretty well.....First, one just wanting to HUNT and carry gun, the stock Lothar BBL is plenty good enough.. My barrel is HEAVY.........I posted video of shooting CLAYS at 600 yds with stock bbl and it is good. My rifle was built to be the best I could think up, and execute. Ideas were mine, but Noble Horsepower and my Gunsmith did metal work......

The gun is going to recoil, so better to manage it and in a straight line to HELP off bench for consistent results. When I competed with a 50 BMG at 1000 yds, I shot a gun configured like Texan, a straight pipe. I built the rests to work like i have on texan....

When you shoulder the rifle you do not want a lot of forward pressure with shoulder as gun will then rise at muzzle. I just use enough pressure with shoulder to stop it coming back 2 inches, and my shirt, tissue/soft body absorbs some recoil and rifle slides straight back as evidenced on video.  This has to be learned by shooting groups and getting to  HEAR what rifle is telling you? 

There is a tiny bit of slop in rear saddle and if  pressure from shoulder moves a little left right, the  scope center moves a LITTLE. But at 100 yds it is still real close to on a 1" paster after firing. At 1000 yds plus this is exaggerated some, but I fire, and push rifle forward an inch or so after recoil and pretty much right on where I aimed and can see impact...........It works VERY WELL....I learned this from shooting benchrest all through the 90's.

The barrel I ordered a straight cylinder blank, and was 1.100" dia ........a lot at rear of barrel is machined off to fit the Hammer and breach but about .050" off barrel that fit in frame to the hammer reduction......I didn't weigh barrel but wanted it to be  heavy as weight reduces FELT RECOIL. I also have near 2# of added weight to AirForce Frame........The gun itself with  bi-pod weighs  20# on the bathroom  scales.......The rear rest was made from Box AL but I poured it full of lead to keep it from moving on bench, then my Gunsmith Welded it up.........It weighs 18 lbs.The one I made for my 50 BMG I still have, a larger version and it is 35#......

Hope this helps?  Include pic on bench shooting at 1070 yds. See all set up, scope rail at 300+moa, barrel angle etc

Click pic and again will be full screen................Carl

[lloyd-ss]

Carl,
Thank you for answering all of my questions, and for providing that additional pic that shows much of the detail of your gun and set-up.

So many things these days are sold as "systems", even silly things like a "tooth brushing system," but what YOU have is a REAL system. Not just a gun and not just a rest, but a matched system. The thing doesn't work unless all of the parts are there, and of course, if you are having a good day. It looks like all the items you have are single purpose, and by that I mean, made and/or used, just for that set-up.  Nothing there that you would take off and borrow for another purpose. It all belongs where it is. 

I can see the additional weight clamped around the frame where the tripod mounts. I see the final muzzle brake that you selected, with the huge side ports. You said it reduces the felt recoil. No top port? So the straight pipe design of the gun, and extra frame weight, take care of most of the muzzle rise tendency, so no top holes in the brake?  I had to chuckle at the look of the elevation adjustment of the scope. I know its necessary for the 1000+ yards, but it still looks odd to somebody who doesn't shoot long distances. Very well thought out system  , and very educational.
Thank you again,
Lloyd

[rifle50]

Carl thats just CRAZY with and PCP! I know in one of your posts you state what barrels you use and who does the barrel work could you PLEASE let me know again. Im thinking about a big bore build of my own.

Travis, As I understand, you build or modify airguns for SALE?  Surely you have proprietary things you don't advertise/share?  Me either......Just having my barrel won't be my gun! I have 3 airguns shooting over 1000 yds, and 3 different manufacturers barrels, or a different one on each. Also each is a different land and groove. One is button pulled rifling, and 2 are cut rifling. They all work. All are from the top of line Powder Competition Barrel Makers. Google and chose one brand. Or Google most used or best rated F-Class barrels, and is all there. Also this barrel delivered after waiting 8 months, was $500 RAW, and requires MUCH machining to work in frame, chambering with custom ground reamer  GROUND to MY SPECS, and threading for Brake ADDED. Barrel ready to shoot is $1050. Not many  are ready for that when that alone cost more than entire TEXAN. You don't want my barrel set up as it is HEAVY and made for bench only. For a HUNTING BARREL, the stock Lothar is good and shot clays easily at 600 yds before changing.   As lloyd-ss says in this thread, my set up is a  SYSTEM with all working together.. All through this thread and others I have given all the basic info needed......Tolerances, specs and other secret stuff I do not share.

Also my Gunsmith does ALL BARREL WORK, who can build world class accurate Powder 1000 yd competition rifles and has built numerous  ones for me, also has secrets from his years building accurate rifles. Plus years ago PAID to go to gunsmith school. Knowledge gained thru trial and error, or college, or any educational process costs $$. He ONLY did my airguns as a favor to me and incorporated my ideas, as he was interested in my projects, but won't do others and has more work than he cares to do. Also is thinking of retiring as he is almost as old as I am........So won't give his name.........

I give a LOT of info and people contact me or I see pics and have copied what they see and it is nice, but it still isn't like mine......I give the parts but how it was machined, and the pertinent machined specifications are mine ..............

Kind of reminds me of that old saying, "I taught you everything YOU know, but not everything I KNOW".   Who knows I may write a "tell all" book, Not hardly

Cheers..............Carl

[rifle50]

I've just spent the last couple hours watching your incredible videos.  Outstanding display of truly long distance airgun shooting extreme.  Those 1K+ shots the stuff dreams are made of.  Excellent shooting, please keep up the great work!

SO glad you found the video's entertaining enough to watch 2 hrs of them   Thanks for sharing your experience...............Carl

[rifle50]

Carl,
Thank you for answering all of my questions.

I see the final muzzle brake that you selected, with the huge side ports. You said it reduces the felt recoil. No top port? So the straight pipe design of the gun, and extra frame weight, take care of most of the muzzle rise tendency, so no top holes in the brake?   Very well thought out system  , and very educational.
Thank you again,
Lloyd

YES, there are ports at the TOP OF BRAKE. I will start another thread on brakes alone. I have 3 brake sizes, how I tested them and how bored/fitted to rifle,  and Pictures of each. Actually a story itself. Tomorrow will post that thread...........Thanks for your questions..............

Carl

[lloyd-ss]

Hi Carl,
I will be looking forward to that thread about muzzle brakes. It seems like names such brake, suppressor, flash hider, compensator,  all get tossed around and mixed up, leaving me confused. From your comments in this post, it seems like your main goal for the brake was to reduce felt recoil, and that you had some testing methods to evaluate how effective each different one was. I am sure it will make sense once I see how you did that, but for now, I am just guessing.
Thanks again, Lloyd

[rifle50]

Hi Carl,
I will be looking forward to that thread about muzzle brakes. It seems like names such brake, suppressor, flash hider, compensator,  all get tossed around and mixed up, leaving me confused. From your comments in this post, it seems like your main goal for the brake was to reduce felt recoil, and that you had some testing methods to evaluate how effective each different one was. I am sure it will make sense once I see how you did that, but for now, I am just guessing.
Thanks again, Lloyd

Yes there is a  lot of confusion for sure....I started a thread of HOW, I got my brake to be what I wanted ......Thanks........Lloyd..............................

Carl

[rualert]

     Carl I just stumbled on this thread and I'm quite impressed with your results, however I can't seem to view the video's. If it's just because I'm not logging into you tube, I can fix that, but it looks like all of your airgun videos are set as private. Just wondering if You Tube pulled them for some weird reason, or if perhaps you are protecting your what from this thread must be some great long range bullet shooters.

Casey

I would love to see the videos of your rifles and shooting. Been following many of the original cast bullet and long range air gun shooters. Even dabble in a bit of long range air gun fun myself. Tof and our mutual acquaintance Mr. Noble have posted some great stuff when the original Pepsi challenge started. I also remember when we were collectively told that shooting pellets at 100 yards was not possible too. Thanks for any pointers, or options to get a look at your long range shooting.

[rifle50]

     Carl I just stumbled on this thread and I'm quite impressed with your results, however I can't seem to view the video's. If it's just because I'm not logging into you tube, I can fix that, but it looks like all of your airgun videos are set as private. Just wondering if You Tube pulled them for some weird reason, or if perhaps you are protecting your what from this thread must be some great long range bullet shooters.

Casey

I would love to see the videos of your rifles and shooting. Been following many of the original cast bullet and long range air gun shooters. Even dabble in a bit of long range air gun fun myself. Tof and our mutual acquaintance Mr. Noble have posted some great stuff when the original Pepsi challenge started. I also remember when we were collectively told that shooting pellets at 100 yards was not possible too. Thanks for any pointers, or options to get a look at your long range shooting.

Sorry you can't view the video's. Last week many airgun channels were TERMINATED  by some VIEWER FLAGGING a video. The YouTube Team checks it and rule in violation of their COMMUNITY STANDARDS. The only allow about 1.5 sentence long of characters to  APPEAL. I never got an answer on my appeal and others had theirs denied in 30 min? An denied another communication. Some lost entire CHANNEL. I had my last video, SEE SLUGS LAST 50' pulled..........and given a strike which is a penalty for 90 days and another strike will result in TERMINATING CHANNEL.  So to save over 2 yrs of video's I individually made 34 of them PRIVATE where only I CAN SEE THEM but are still there....They are not available to see on YouTube and my channel now consists of 400+ video's of Ragtime Piano and beginnings of JAZZ over about 10 yrs too........

I thought of VIMEO to host them but the FREE storage isn't but about 5 videos total. $84 per year would host them all, but since GOOGLE OWNS YouTube and is anti-gun, searching for my videos wouldn't be all that great......Files are up to near a gigabyte so can't email them and need a hosting site......I could go VIMEO route but all my threads are YouTube links and any new threads could but don't see that happening..........Will see what shakes out and someday maybe try another YOUTUBE channel 2 and post just the airgun or make them public again if the anti gun heat at the moment quiets down??

SO blame the anti gun histeria  for YouTube. I click in YouTube airgunning and up come killing rats, animals and all kinds of mayhem and then are still up and running and mine were all target shooting?

Carl

[rualert]

     Carl, I completely understand, I have a paper I'm trying to write for one of my college classes about how 4-H Youth Shooting Education programs not only make kids safer, more productive citizens, but also is one of the safest sports period. I of course have to provide an opposing view and there is no shortage of those out there. Too bad the mass majority are purely emotional rather than logical or credible points of view. I realize that Google is stepping out of line regarding simple target shooting videos, but can't keep terrorist propaganda out of their site. (Sorry mods if I stepped out of line here, will stop my rant now) It's too bad that we don't have a decent site to host videos on, if I had the storage available, I would host as much as I could for the community until my provider shut down or throttled my bandwidth. Anyway, good luck getting the video's back up, and drop me an email or PM when you do, as I still would very much enjoy seeing them.

Casey

P.S. If I can find a method to send them or a decent host, I'll let you know.

[mpbby]

Just to let you know..

You may upload files up to 2 GB for free at - wetransfer.com.  It takes time.., but works.

[rifle50]

Just to let you know..

You may upload files up to 2 GB for free at - wetransfer.com.  It takes time.., but works.

Thanks Marcos...........I have a couple of videos that are almost a GB each .......Of the 35 video's i MADE PRIVATE , they are a lot of space.........for $84 per year, VIMEO will store 250 Gb total....Their FREE hosting is 5 Gb total......As of now I am not going to do anything with them. I did the shooting, recorded a LOT and shared. All was interesting but as of now, not much interest in re-posting to a HOSTING site, and not many would see them. Of course I could post on forums a link but it isn't worth the effort to  me anymore.

Carl