Need Help picking a Springer for hunting

[Xraycer]

Not to take away from the thread, dang Tom, that is some fine shooting.

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[A.K.A. Tommy Boy]

Not to take away from the thread, dang Tom, that is some fine shooting.

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Well Gee..I did not put the picture in to Brag.  I only put it in to show the OP that the gun would preform to his stated shooting ranges.  It was just another option that John could look at is all.   Nothing more & nothing less.   Best Wishes to all - Tom

[Xraycer]

Not to take away from the thread, dang Tom, that is some fine shooting.

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Well Gee..I did not put the picture in to Brag.  I only put it in to show the OP that the gun would preform to his stated shooting ranges.  It was just another option that John could look at is all.   Nothing more & nothing less.   Best Wishes to all - Tom

We know you're a humble individual, Tom. Just giving credit, where credit is due............nothing more, nothing less

[Sfttailrdr46]

  Tom it's ok to post pictures of good groups especially if they are typical of what the rifle is capable of. I am hoping to get my new to me D34 to that point in the next few days. I posted a picture awhile back of a playing card that I had cut int three pieces with my RX2 .20 about a year ago . The rifle is way better than me most days but knowing that whatever rifle the OP chooses as long as it is capable of consistent accuracy then all that the shooter needs to add is trigger time and lots of it. That way when he takes it into the woods he will be confident of what he and his rifle can do.

PS Tom that is a nice group, we all strive to be the best shot possible and one shot on kill when any responsible hunter steps into the woods, clean and humane kills always are the goal and tight groups indicate the likelihood of achieving that goal otherwise why punch holes in an innocent piece of paper or kill paint balls at 25 and 50 yards.   

[Skunkarue62]

realy dont want to buy a springer that i would regret the purchase later.

I think this goes without saying...............from everyone

I have an 18yo Diana 48, and it is a fantastic springer of fantastic quality. However, it is a very heavy gun, so this is something to consider if you plan to carry it into the woods for hours at a time.

Personally, I think that barrel droop is over-hyped. While it obviously does exist, it isn't as prevalent as one would assume.

I didn't know how heavy it was until I looked it up, not something I can carry around all day. I think I will end up going with a hatsan after all unless there is something better out there I come across.

[Skunkarue62]

John :      You may want to take a look at this one. I just received this one in 22 cal.  It shot well, right out of the box ( after barrel clean-up). My wife got this for me on sale at PA. I think AGD has them too. It is a good hunting type gun but it is Not a Looker with a Walnut Stock. The open sights are all metal and no plastic. The muzzle break unscrews for a threaded barrel. The gun comes un-scoped and weighs about 7 Lbs. It handles well in heavy cover and the Clean Break Trigger is a big improvement over past Crosman triggers. I just took a squirrel with it today. It was 18 degrees out this morning. I shot the squirrel out of a tree at about 30 yards. It was "Lights Out & Dead Right There" on the squirrel with one shot to the lower chest. This would be a good Field Grade Hunting gun but Not a Show Gun. This one has the NP #2 Gas Ram in it and cocks fairly easy,  it Hits Hard and Shoots Straight. No Barrel Droop at all. I just got the gun 2 days ago. I have only shot about 30 shots thru this gun. It is not broken in yet and it already shot a dime sized grout at 25 yards  The gun's shot groups may improve even more as it gets broken in.   See my Hunting Posts in the Hunting Gate for more info.   

is this like a debraded European springer that crossman made then? Is it loud?

[A.K.A. Tommy Boy]

Skunkarue62
is this like a debraded European springer that crossman made then? Is it loud?

John :  This is a Chinese made, NP 2 Gas Ram Series, Rifle from Crosman/Benjamin. In my opinion, it is a "out of the box ready hunting rifle."     It does not come with a cheap Combo scope that everybody complains about. Consequently you are not paying for a scope that you will not use anyway. It comes with sling swivels and studs. It has all metal open sights. The small ported muzzle break unscrews to render you a nice threaded barrel. The Clean Break Trigger is WAY better than the triggers on older Crosman/Benjamin guns. Being that it is a gas ram gun, the noise factor is reduced and can be improved upon by adding a sound moderator to the Threaded Barrel. My gun was loudest on it's first 3 shots and now is getting quieter with each subsequent shot. Rocker 1 could make you up a moderator that would be "mouse fart quiet" if you so desired. I have Hatsan Edge guns and a Benjamin 1100 and this gun is not any louder than those guns. It is rated as #3 in the noise rating by PA. I have a  25cal Spring Piston Hatsan 85 Sniper with a large moderator on the end of the barrel. This gun is quieter than that gun is. I do not have the necessary equipment to accurately measure the decibel output of my guns and must go by what my ears pick up. Down range noise would be less than what I hear at the gun. This gun is made as a Field Grade Hunting Rifle. It will take abuse in the field without marring the stock and action. I believe this gun was offered with the field hunter in mind. It has a lot of what a backcountry hunter would want without a lot of unnecessary fancy options. This is not a good choice as a Show Gun but is a good choice for the hunter who hunts in Rough Back Country. The NP2 gas ram has plenty of power for shooting at the ranges that you feel you would be hunting at. My gun was accurate right with the First Shot. You can Smack this gunstock on a Rock with out worrying about damaging a Nice Hard Wood Stock.  Rain and Snow will not damage the stock and cause it to swell and throw the accuracy off.   Think of it as a Timex Watch, it will take a licking and keep on ticking.  My gun is a straight up out of the box shooter that is not overly hold sensitive. It has a 7 pound carry weight, minus a scope. Add a rifle sling and it is shoulder able.             Best Wishes - Tom Wood

[Sfttailrdr46]

Great write up Tom would love to see a complete review on your Summit Ranger. It is always helpful to see an objective unbiased review by a satisfied owner 

[A.K.A. Tommy Boy]

John :  This is xracer's NP2 gun. It is on sale a PA also. This gun has a shroud on the barrel and is rated by PA as #2 in loudness. It has the same internals as my gun and would be out of the box quieter than my gun.  It does not have the option of open sights. It does have a camo pistol-grip stock.    Dinh can fill you in on all the details of this ( his ) gun.       Best Wishes -Tom

[Xraycer]

John :  This is xracer's NP2 gun. It is on sale a PA also. This gun has a shroud on the barrel and is rated by PA as #2 in loudness. It has the same internals as my gun and would be out of the box quieter than my gun.  It does not have the option of open sights. It does have a camo pistol-grip stock.    Dinh can fill you in on all the details of this ( his ) gun.       Best Wishes -Tom

I've yet to try hunting in sub freezing temps, but I can vouch for the accuracy of my new Benjamin Trail NP2. I plink at a 3" steel target out to 50yd (on rested elbows). Even the included Center Point scope has very nice glass and been completely on target. I also opted for the very cool Realtree snow camo skin stock. Another plus is that it shoots cheapo CPHP very accurately for plinking and hunting purposes. Its on the longer side, but not heavy(even with CP scope) and shoulders really nicely even for my 150lb 5'6" frame. Lastly, the shroud works very well in keeping that bark down.

[Skunkarue62]

Any one know exactly how loud a 95 qe vortex is? And can everyone agree that this would be the best gun for my budget. I'm still looking for new suggestions from anyone.

[Skunkarue62]

Skunkarue62
is this like a debraded European springer that crossman made then? Is it loud?

John :  This is a Chinese made, NP 2 Gas Ram Series, Rifle from Crosman/Benjamin. In my opinion, it is a "out of the box ready hunting rifle."     It does not come with a cheap Combo scope that everybody complains about. Consequently you are not paying for a scope that you will not use anyway. It comes with sling swivels and studs. It has all metal open sights. The small ported muzzle break unscrews to render you a nice threaded barrel. The Clean Break Trigger is WAY better than the triggers on older Crosman/Benjamin guns. Being that it is a gas ram gun, the noise factor is reduced and can be improved upon by adding a sound moderator to the Threaded Barrel. My gun was loudest on it's first 3 shots and now is getting quieter with each subsequent shot. Rocker 1 could make you up a moderator that would be "mouse fart quiet" if you so desired. I have Hatsan Edge guns and a Benjamin 1100 and this gun is not any louder than those guns. It is rated as #3 in the noise rating by PA. I have a  25cal Spring Piston Hatsan 85 Sniper with a large moderator on the end of the barrel. This gun is quieter than that gun is. I do not have the necessary equipment to accurately measure the decibel output of my guns and must go by what my ears pick up. Down range noise would be less than what I hear at the gun. This gun is made as a Field Grade Hunting Rifle. It will take abuse in the field without marring the stock and action. I believe this gun was offered with the field hunter in mind. It has a lot of what a backcountry hunter would want without a lot of unnecessary fancy options. This is not a good choice as a Show Gun but is a good choice for the hunter who hunts in Rough Back Country. The NP2 gas ram has plenty of power for shooting at the ranges that you feel you would be hunting at. My gun was accurate right with the First Shot. You can Smack this gunstock on a Rock with out worrying about damaging a Nice Hard Wood Stock.  Rain and Snow will not damage the stock and cause it to swell and throw the accuracy off.   Think of it as a Timex Watch, it will take a licking and keep on ticking.  My gun is a straight up out of the box shooter that is not overly hold sensitive. It has a 7 pound carry weight, minus a scope. Add a rifle sling and it is shoulder able.             Best Wishes - Tom Wood

I appreciate the information on the gun. The only reason I asked if it was a degraded European was because of the threaded barrel. Any idea if this gun would be a better choice than the ones in currently looking at like the 95.

[Skunkarue62]

Again sorry for all of the questions and other things. Purchaseing a new airgun is a big deal and I'd hate it if I got something and would later regret that purchase. There are so many Springers in my price range and it is tough to tell which one would be the best choice but being able to ask you guys sure does help narrow down the field of choices. I only wish it was a little easyer.

[A.K.A. Tommy Boy]

John :   The Hatsan 95 will preform very well too.   The Hatsan 95 will come with a Really Nice Turkish Hardwood stock and open sights.  The Hatsan guns I have are Striker/ Edge guns and have a different stock & trigger. My 85 Sniper has a the same trigger but it has a plastic stock and a spring piston.
scp52 can fill you in on a Hatsan 95 Vortex Quiet Energy Rifle.   He Has One !
This is Steve's quote:
"Me personally, I'd go with the Hatsan 95 QE .22. From PA with the GATEWAY-PYRAMYD discount code it's about $189 and free delivery, he already has a better scope than the one it comes with and it leaves $161 in his wallet. "     Best Wishes - Tom

[SteveP-52]

John :   The Hatsan 95 will preform very well too.   The Hatsan 95 will come with a Really Nice Turkish Hardwood stock and open sights.  The Hatsan guns I have are Striker/ Edge guns and have a different stock & trigger. My 85 Sniper has a the same trigger but it has a plastic stock and a spring piston.
scp52 can fill you in on a Hatsan 95 Vortex Quiet Energy Rifle.   He Has One !
This is Steve's quote:
"Me personally, I'd go with the Hatsan 95 QE .22. From PA with the GATEWAY-PYRAMYD discount code it's about $189 and free delivery, he already has a better scope than the one it comes with and it leaves $161 in his wallet. "     Best Wishes - Tom

I have 2 actually, an 87QE in .177 and the new to me 95 QE .22 I just got from MidwayUSA about a week and a half ago and there's a thread on it in the Turkish Gate titled "I think I got another members returned Hatty 95". Weather hasn't let me test the accuracy part yet, but I have managed to get some chrony time before the latest stretch of rain and windy days hit and mine with FTT's average 758 fps for 18.71 fpe so plenty for hunting small game.
The QE moderators do make them quieter than the standard version Model 95 which I also have and although you don't notice it as much being your face is next to the gun when you shoot, that moderator does make it quieter downrange where it matters and it's quieter than the other 25 springers and gas rams I own except for that 87QE so I have more than a few rifles to compare it against...lol.
All my Hatsans (and Hatsan built rifles) have been solid, accurate guns for the money and i don't regret buying any of them. Here's a pic of that new 95QE .22 in a better setting than the stock pictures you see on websites:

[squirrel_hunter]

John :      You may want to take a look at this one. I just received this one in 22 cal.  It shot well, right out of the box ( after barrel clean-up). My wife got this for me on sale at PA. I think AGD has them too. It is a good hunting type gun but it is Not a Looker with a Walnut Stock. The open sights are all metal and no plastic. The muzzle break unscrews for a threaded barrel. The gun comes un-scoped and weighs about 7 Lbs. It handles well in heavy cover and the Clean Break Trigger is a big improvement over past Crosman triggers. I just took a squirrel with it today. It was 18 degrees out this morning. I shot the squirrel out of a tree at about 30 yards. It was "Lights Out & Dead Right There" on the squirrel with one shot to the lower chest. This would be a good Field Grade Hunting gun but Not a Show Gun. This one has the NP #2 Gas Ram in it and cocks fairly easy,  it Hits Hard and Shoots Straight. No Barrel Droop at all. I just got the gun 2 days ago. I have only shot about 30 shots thru this gun. It is not broken in yet and it already shot a dime sized grout at 25 yards  The gun's shot groups may improve even more as it gets broken in.   See my Hunting Posts in the Hunting Gate for more info.   This may not be what you had in mind but it might be worth a look and the Price is Right.  $159.95 and Free Shipping.    Type in GATEWAY-PYRAMYD for the GTA Discount.

Best Wishes and Good Luck - Tom

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwijvIP71KTXAhWr7oMKHZD7A84QFggoMAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.pyramydair.com%2Fs%2Fm%2FCrosman_Summit_Ranger_NP2_Air_Rifle%2F4321&usg=AOvVaw1L6qOPHs44YdNI4_gu-pQe

I have never seen that rifle,i have a Benjamin summit 22 NP2 new in the box and only difference is this one has open sights and summit doesn't...I had two summits but got into the more accurate PCPs and gave one of my summits to the guy who lets me squirrel hunt on his land,he loves it.it shot great out of the box and didn't need any type of tuning and very little if any break period...the sling mounts are nice...I will never shoot it just keep it new in the box...they are quiet and very smooth shooting...

[A.K.A. Tommy Boy]

I know what you are talking about here, Mark !     Crosman/Benjamin makes TWO rifles that they call a Summit. The Benjamin Summit that you have and the Crosman Summit Ranger that I have.  I think this Ranger was made as more of a Backcountry Bush Hunting Rifle. They put a lot tougher open sights on this one.  They are all metal and no plastic.   If you Shatter a Scope on this one, you will have all metal open sights as a backup.     Best Wishes - Tom

[Verminstalker]

Field Supply has the .22 cal. Hatsan 95 Vortex QE refurbs on sale now by coincidence.

https://www.fieldsupply.com/hatsan-95-vortex-qe-22-cal-air-rifle-refurb.html

[Skunkarue62]

John :   The Hatsan 95 will preform very well too.   The Hatsan 95 will come with a Really Nice Turkish Hardwood stock and open sights.  The Hatsan guns I have are Striker/ Edge guns and have a different stock & trigger. My 85 Sniper has a the same trigger but it has a plastic stock and a spring piston.
scp52 can fill you in on a Hatsan 95 Vortex Quiet Energy Rifle.   He Has One !
This is Steve's quote:
"Me personally, I'd go with the Hatsan 95 QE .22. From PA with the GATEWAY-PYRAMYD discount code it's about $189 and free delivery, he already has a better scope than the one it comes with and it leaves $161 in his wallet. "     Best Wishes - Tom

I have 2 actually, an 87QE in .177 and the new to me 95 QE .22 I just got from MidwayUSA about a week and a half ago and there's a thread on it in the Turkish Gate titled "I think I got another members returned Hatty 95". Weather hasn't let me test the accuracy part yet, but I have managed to get some chrony time before the latest stretch of rain and windy days hit and mine with FTT's average 758 fps for 18.71 fpe so plenty for hunting small game.
The QE moderators do make them quieter than the standard version Model 95 which I also have and although you don't notice it as much being your face is next to the gun when you shoot, that moderator does make it quieter downrange where it matters and it's quieter than the other 25 springers and gas rams I own except for that 87QE so I have more than a few rifles to compare it against...lol.
All my Hatsans (and Hatsan built rifles) have been solid, accurate guns for the money and i don't regret buying any of them. Here's a pic of that new 95QE .22 in a better setting than the stock pictures you see on websites:

so the 87 tends to be more quiet than the 95?

[SteveP-52]

Sorry, I should have said both the 95 and 87 QE's I have are quieter than all the other springers and gas rams I have. There are a couple very minor differences between the 2 rifles. The stock obviously, as the 95 is Turkish Walnut and the 87 is synthetic and has the adjustable cheek riser. The other is the safeties are different: on the 87, you pull back towards you to fire, on the 95, you push it in to fire.
Other than that, they're pretty much the same rifle: same gas ram, Quattro trigger, SAS recoil shock absorption, same power levels and there's really not that much difference in the weight, maybe a few ounces, so it boils down to whether you want a synthetic or wood stock.
Field Supply, as mentioned above, also carries them and when they have a Hatsan sale going, you can usually grab the 95QE for something like $185. It's free to sign up for their email list and they'll send you emails on their daily specials. I only watch them for the Hatsan sales and have gotten a couple of my rifles from them and saved quite a few bucks and the shipping is either a dirt cheap $3.99 or every now and then they offer free shipping. It's where I got my Galatian pcp and my 1000X Vortex .25. You can sign up here if you're at all interested:

https://www.fieldsupply.com/