Ebay-High Pressure 30MPa Air Compressor System 228.12 free shipping

[packard8]

How is that even possible??

Did you file a claim with Ebay first and close it?

I called eBay first and they told me to file a claim with PayPal, which I did on 9/8.

I just got off the phone with PP and the rep gave me the BS about "file a complaint with ic3.gov, and then take a screen shot of the complaint and email it to us and  we will forward it to review. I told her that was completely unacceptable and got a manager on the line. He said he would reopen the case and review the claim denial. Sounds like some more runaround to me, I have more faith in my CC company resolving this than either EB or PP. I told the mgr that if he looks up the EB seller, he will find the guy closed his account and pulled the same scam on many other buyers.

Any future purchases from EB will not be through PP.

[56S]

Those who "have complete confidence in eBay and PayPal" might be interested in an email I received this AM:

We've completed our review and unfortunately are not able to decide this case in your favor.

We are unable to take any action on this case because it is not covered under PayPal Purchase Protection.

If you wish to pursue this issue, we encourage you to contact your seller directly for resolution.

To learn more about the specifics of PayPal Purchase Protection and how we review and resolve claims, you can view the PayPal User Agreement, which you accepted when you created your PayPal account. Simply click Legal at the bottom of any PayPal page.

Please note: Records of all claims are kept in the Resolution Center for your convenience. 

Sincerely,

PayPal

So much for "Buyer Protection"

I simply see it this way.  Paypal couldn't get money from the seller so you got screwed.

[packard8]

Those who "have complete confidence in eBay and PayPal" might be interested in an email I received this AM:

We've completed our review and unfortunately are not able to decide this case in your favor.

We are unable to take any action on this case because it is not covered under PayPal Purchase Protection.

If you wish to pursue this issue, we encourage you to contact your seller directly for resolution.

To learn more about the specifics of PayPal Purchase Protection and how we review and resolve claims, you can view the PayPal User Agreement, which you accepted when you created your PayPal account. Simply click Legal at the bottom of any PayPal page.

Please note: Records of all claims are kept in the Resolution Center for your convenience. 

Sincerely,

PayPal

So much for "Buyer Protection"

I simply see it this way.  Paypal couldn't get money from the seller so you got screwed.

Yep, that's how I see it too. The scammer is long gone with my $200 and PP is doing anything they can to avoid a refund. Hopefully I'll get this resolved by Citibank Visa. I'm going to contact the our local TV Consumer Reporters, maybe they will do a piece about how the EB & PP "Buyer Protection" policy is a sham so other buyers won't get scammed.

[Norcal]

My jaw has dropped and hit the floor so many times while reading the utter BS eBay and PayPal have put you guys thru that I'm going to have to see my Doctor about having reconstructive surgery done...

Seriously, I hope you all are ultimately victorious in getting your funds back from these worthless pieces of excrement that EB and PP have become!

[Tater]

What ever happened to putting sarcastic remarks in PURPLE?  I know, I know - I almost forgot that little tidbit myself.

No idea what you're talking about.    

[Bicycleman]

Perfect, Jerry!

[Pursang]

A friend of mine got hosed selling an iphone on ebay. They also asked him to file a complaint with ic3 and send verification. When he did so, they overturned, and refunded his money. It's worth a try.

[Rabbit\Squirrel Killer]

What ever happened to putting sarcastic remarks in PURPLE?  I know, I know - I almost forgot that little tidbit myself.

I NEVER heard of that, where does that come from?
Purple is my favorite color, and I have been accused of being sarcastic many times in my life, wonder if there is a connection? LOL

[Bicycleman]

The use of PURPLE to indicate sarcasm doesn’t seem to be a thing on GTA.  I tried using in several times a couple of years ago, and it didn’t fly.  My Judy is the person that told me about using PURPLE to indicate sarcasm - she spends much time in the social media.  A lot she knows!
(In passing, the use of RED usually indicates that what is written is very important to the writer.)

[Rabbit\Squirrel Killer]

The use of PURPLE to indicate sarcasm doesn’t seem to be a thing on GTA.  I tried using in several times a couple of years ago, and it didn’t fly.  My Judy is the person that told me about using PURPLE to indicate sarcasm - she spends much time in the social media.  A lot she knows!
(In passing, the use of BLUE usually indicates that what is written is very important to the writer.)

I have been on line since before there was an internet, visiting Bulletin Boards and personal servers by dialing the numbers in the back of Computer Shopper and a book I had that was like a Phone Book that I cannot remember the name of right now. But I don't do Facebook hardly at all, never had My-space or any of the others so I never heard of colors signifying anything. I did download a virus before there was an internet too, but I figured it out after installing it but before I ran it, by looking at my .ini and .sys files. It was supposed to be a cute mouse driver add-on for Windows 3.11 for Workgroups. Called BANG LOL   It supposedly would SHOOT holes in the Windows main screen when you clicked the mouse with a cursor that looked like a handgun.

[Airgundetectives]

EBay and PayPal wanted me to file that BS report with the feds. I called Citi Bank back and they already credited me the $225 and the seller has until Nov. 24 to dispute the refund.  You know he'll never contact Citibank, and if they do, I have a Mexican Peso with the matching tracking number. I will only purchase on eBay with my CC in the future. I would not settle for anything less than a full refund!

[Norcal]

That is some whacked-out BS right there.

[WesBob]

Goes to show these scammers have figured out how to get their money out of PayPal before everyone starts putting in their dispute claims, otherwise PayPal wouldn't be causing such a fuss and being so ridiculous. Looks like they need to start holding the money a couple weeks longer than they are. Will make sellers mad but pretty stupid these guys are starting to multiply on eBay.

[imadunatic]

I think Ebay should adopt Aliexpress's escrow system for foreign sellers. Until the buyer receives the item and confirms all is well, the seller receives nothing. Granted, this creates a much higher barrier to entry for foreign sellers (especially on $300 items), but it nearly stops these types of problems dead in their tracks and Ebay isn't coughing up the funds after a seller has skipped town. 

[dw]

On the bottom line, is credit card always going to be safer than using Paypal for these transactions?  Seems that's the case.

[WesBob]

On the bottom line, is credit card always going to be safer than using Paypal for these transactions?  Seems that's the case.

Sounds like it hey, though you can always just use your credit card with PayPal, since many sellers won't accept other methods of payment.

[Rabbit\Squirrel Killer]

On the bottom line, is credit card always going to be safer than using Paypal for these transactions?  Seems that's the case.

Sounds like it hey, though you can always just use your credit card with PayPal, since many sellers won't accept other methods of payment.

I have bought 499 items on ebay with one deal gone bad. it was a laptop hard drive and the seller shipped it just wrapped in card stock taped up. The seller had private feedback and no return policy, so I lost my $30, lesson learned. After that I have only bought from reputable sellers with over six months Great feedback and ships from the US is a strong preference for me. There has been a couple more items that did not meet my expectations but didn't significantly vary from the description enough to say it was the sellers fault. Buying untested airguns I am ahead of the odds, but have gotten two that didn't work. One wasn't fixable it leaks through the transfer port and the barrel is welded to to C02 tube and the valve soldered in so for me that is a wall hanger.  I wish all to have a great outcome and refund like some have already, ebay or PayPal should stand up to fraud, if they want to keep a good reputation.

[packard8]

Update on the continuing saga......

As requested by PP, I filed a fraud claim with the Oklahoma Atty Gen office of consumer fraud and they sent me a letter confirming the claim.  I attached it to a reply to my last denial from PP. Today I got an email from PP:

"Thank you for contacting PayPal.

To help protect your information, we don’t accept files that are sent as email attachments. Instead, we offer a more secure way to submit the information we’ve requested.

Here’s how to send us your information:"

I tried the links they provided to upload docs and those links are dead......seems like they are trying to place any roadblock to consumers who want a refund for an obviously fraudulent purchase. I had to call PP rep and she admitted that the links were not correct, and uploaded the docs for me.

I've lost all faith in eBay and PP, they want to argue about how to send superfluous documents while ignoring the fact that they charged me $200 a month ago and I received nothing in return but a hard time from them.

[WesBob]

Wow, that is ridiculous!! They are obviously purposely trying to renege on their guarantee. Amazing.

[packard8]

Wow, that is ridiculous!! They are obviously purposely trying to renege on their guarantee. Amazing.

Agreed, I've been an eBay member since 1999 and have sold collector cars up to $75,000 on eBay Motors.  They have made plenty of money off of me over the years and this is the first time I've filed a claim with them. Seems like they are more on the side of the obvious scammer than a long time customer. I'm relying on my Visa to refund the scammed $200. I'll contact the local TV & radio consumer reporters and see if they are interested in airing a piece so other folks will be warned that the the eBay & PayPal "buyer protection" is a joke.