Got my Hatsan AT44S-10 Long QE .25 cal

[Rallyshark]

I think I figured out the issue with the QE tonight.   

You need to take the shroud completely off and shoot it.   With the shroud off it changed the POI around 2 feet at 70 yards.   The reason?  They left a washer off the front of the stock.  That made it so the barrel with no shroud was still touching the top of the front barrel strap.   So with the shroud on it was pushing the barrel down.   

I inserted one large washer inside the stock (there is a round cut out for one)  It needs it to push the barrel band up higher.  With the washer in place the shroud can be slipped back on with no binding or bending of the barrel.   

Then drilled out the silencer baskets (the pellets were clipping them)
Put it all back together and at least inside at 12 yards it was 9 of 10 pellet on pellet.
And it is still quite.

So shoot it with the shroud completely off.   Then if it shoots well enough you can put it back together and not have the shroud flex the barrel at all.

Mine has one other issue too.  I pulled the barrel out completely and found someone at Hatsan must have put a large set screw (larger than the ones that hold the barrel) and messed up the O rings.  Can't be easily fixed so will need to get a new barrel.

Pellets clipping silencer


Bad photo attempting to show that without the spacer washer the barrel band is not close to being aligned with the barrel.   If you put it together it will flex the barrel.


The gap between the barrel and shroud should be enough to allow the shroud to slip in without any resistance, that was achieved by putting a washer in the stock.


Here is the end of the barrel that goes into the breach.   See how some large diameter screw scarred it up to the point the O rings are distorted.   Anyone have an idea of how they did that at the factory?    The diameter is too large for the set screws to have done it.    There was some air blow by where the O rings meet that burr.


I'll test it out further in the next day or two.   Sun went down but inside it was grouping much better.   8/10 hole in hole at 35 feet.  Still gets a crazy flier 1 of 10 with JSB 18s.

I'm thinking Hatsan owes me a new barrel.

I'm not giving up on the gun  just yet, but it is clear Hatsan has some quality control issues.

I love how easy it is to take the barrel out, adjust the hammer screw etc.   But in the end the gun has to shoot well too.

I'm thinking you are correct, and that Hatsan does indeed owe you a new barrel.  They'll probably send you a new barrel without you sending the gun in if you explain the issue to them Even if you had to buy a barrel they are less than $100.  I think the long barrel is $89 if I remember correctly. 

[RAJOD]

I'm not spending another nickle on mine. $100.00 barrel on a new gun, no way I would pay that.

Mine has too many little issues that added up to a bunch of time, driving, reading, shooting extra pellets and lots of bad shots.

Its been fun in a sick way.  But the barrel dented and O rings might not be the entire picture with mine.
- That burr on the barrel might have scarred up the breach inside and maybe the trasfer port (don't know)
- The grub dents on the barrel do not line up with the breach set screws.  So a new barrel might not fix that issue.  Either the barrel was made wrong or the breach was drilled wrong for set screws. 

I can see more issue down the road trying to undo what the Hatsan machinest did at the factory. 

Plus the gun is pretty heavy.   

Pay a little more and get a BSA scorpion.

I am not saying ALL Hatsans are bad just think I got a lemon, same with the OP.

[GoneShootn]

Sadly, this gun is doing the same things the last one did. Group nice in the basement, but on the bench at 25 and 50 yards it's a bonofide looser. When pushing a pellet from the breech, this barrel is exactly like the last one with about 4" of tight engagement at the breech end, then the free fall to about 15" with engagement for a touch, then tight for about 5/8" at the muzzle. Here are the targets before going to the outdoor range, and at 25 & 50 yards. Totally unacceptable, particularly the way the gun is being held. Zero movement by my, just a trigger squeeze. I also now have some nicks on the ID of the plastic baffles, meaning the pellet is not traveling true as it leaves the barrel.

I spoke to Pyramyd Air this morning when I ordered a part for my fill nozzle, and after a lengthy discussion, they suggested I contact Hatsan direct to see about a barrel swap. I believe that the inventory at AGD where's the gun came from, is all the same lot, and will have the same issues with barrels. I'll see where it goes from here.

I'm sorry to hear about your trouble with Hatsan AT44s. I know that some people get good shooters, but that has not been my experience. I have had 5 AT-44s over the past two years, and none would shoot. The first was a .22 QE short version that I sent back to AGD for a refund. The QE platform was new at that time, and I thought that might be the trouble. So I ordered a long non-QE version and later a .177 short non-QE. Neither would shoot and each was ultimately replaced. Unfortunately, the replacements were no better. So, I'm not a Hatsan fan.

To be perfectly fair, though, I had similar problems with a Marauder .25 synthetic stock. It was replaced once, and, with some work, it did come around. It's not a tack-driver, but I still have more to do, and I'm hopeful. No such luck with the Hatsans, though. A friend did offer to tune the .25, however, but I just got it back and haven't put it through its paces yet, so we'll see.

I hope you have better luck than I have had with these. I think that the engineering is good, but things go awry in the manufacturing and assembly phases.

[Rallyshark]

I'm not spending another nickle on mine. $100.00 barrel on a new gun, no way I would pay that.

Mine has too many little issues that added up to a bunch of time, driving, reading, shooting extra pellets and lots of bad shots.

Its been fun in a sick way.  But the barrel dented and O rings might not be the entire picture with mine.
- That burr on the barrel might have scarred up the breach inside and maybe the trasfer port (don't know)
- The grub dents on the barrel do not line up with the breach set screws.  So a new barrel might not fix that issue.  Either the barrel was made wrong or the breach was drilled wrong for set screws. 

I can see more issue down the road trying to undo what the Hatsan machinest did at the factory. 

Plus the gun is pretty heavy.   

Pay a little more and get a BSA scorpion.

I am not saying ALL Hatsans are bad just think I got a lemon, same with the OP.

I can certainly understand the frustration and your point of view.  I've been fortunate with my Hatsans, but others have not.  I got started with them, because of price to performance ratio, which is very good if you get a good one.  If I had the $$ I would certainly own some of the higher priced guns.  I do enjoy tinkering and a challenge though, so the Hatsans work well for me.  Two guns that would be at the top of my list right now would a Taipan Mutant/Veteran or an FX Streamline.  After that price range I have a hard time justifying it, since I could get some pretty sweet PBs for that kind of money.

[RAJOD]

I'm not spending another nickle on mine. $100.00 barrel on a new gun, no way I would pay that.

Mine has too many little issues that added up to a bunch of time, driving, reading, shooting extra pellets and lots of bad shots.

Its been fun in a sick way.  But the barrel dented and O rings might not be the entire picture with mine.
- That burr on the barrel might have scarred up the breach inside and maybe the trasfer port (don't know)
- The grub dents on the barrel do not line up with the breach set screws.  So a new barrel might not fix that issue.  Either the barrel was made wrong or the breach was drilled wrong for set screws. 

I can see more issue down the road trying to undo what the Hatsan machinest did at the factory. 

Plus the gun is pretty heavy.   

Pay a little more and get a BSA scorpion.

I am not saying ALL Hatsans are bad just think I got a lemon, same with the OP.

I can certainly understand the frustration and your point of view.  I've been fortunate with my Hatsans, but others have not.  I got started with them, because of price to performance ratio, which is very good if you get a good one.  If I had the $$ I would certainly own some of the higher priced guns.  I do enjoy tinkering and a challenge though, so the Hatsans work well for me.  Two guns that would be at the top of my list right now would a Taipan Mutant/Veteran or an FX Streamline.  After that price range I have a hard time justifying it, since I could get some pretty sweet PBs for that kind of money.

Oh I see great potential in this Hatsan, it offers a ton for the money.  Its just missing on a few areas which I think are due to some lax quality control.

- Hammer screw - they need to put a nylon washer on that set screw, its loose as a goose.  Sure can be fixed by user but he has to pull it apart. 

- Shroud issue - I think that shroud with silencer can work, but without proper quality control they are going to have a bunch that are flexing the barrel.  This I don't understand as its not a new issue with air guns.

- New Web site - they have a bunch of red print "Don't mode your gun or breaks warranty" well none of that was in the box and that site is new.  Why do they put pre drilled holes for the hammer lock and adjustment then?  Why do they sell Hatsan regulator if they don't want to you to mod it?   Sounds like they trying to get out of returns when they invite modders.  Why do they make guns so out of balance that the user is forced to try to fix what they messed up?   

But the good is
- Price
- Very easy to work on
- Accuracy
- Shot count is decent
- Power is good
- Walnut stock is nice
- Like the clips and price of clips (No jams)
- Like the regulator

I hate sending stuff back but this one along with hearing about others with the same model leads me to throw in the towel.   If they get their quality control in order maybe I would try another Hatsan.   From what I have read I might just get another dud on replacement.   If you got a good one be happy.

[GoneShootn]

Oh I see great potential in this Hatsan, it offers a ton for the money.  Its just missing on a few areas which I think are due to some lax quality control.

- Hammer screw - they need to put a nylon washer on that set screw, its loose as a goose.  Sure can be fixed by user but he has to pull it apart. 

- Shroud issue - I think that shroud with silencer can work, but without proper quality control they are going to have a bunch that are flexing the barrel.  This I don't understand as its not a new issue with air guns.

- New Web site - they have a bunch of red print "Don't mode your gun or breaks warranty" well none of that was in the box and that site is new.  Why do they put pre drilled holes for the hammer lock and adjustment then?  Why do they sell Hatsan regulator if they don't want to you to mod it?   Sounds like they trying to get out of returns when they invite modders.  Why do they make guns so out of balance that the user is forced to try to fix what they messed up?   

But the good is
- Price
- Very easy to work on
- Accuracy
- Shot count is decent
- Power is good
- Walnut stock is nice
- Like the clips and price of clips (No jams)
- Like the regulator

I hate sending stuff back but this one along with hearing about others with the same model leads me to throw in the towel.   If they get their quality control in order maybe I would try another Hatsan.   From what I have read I might just get another dud on replacement.   If you got a good one be happy.

Bottom line is, because of their quality control, they get a lot of warranty claims, and they could use the "mod" clause to cut you off. I don't know if it's common practice or not, but they once told me that adjusting the hammer spring was a mod and voided the warranty. Plus, sending it to Hatsan is not a guarantee of success. The first .25 AT44 I had started having magazine feeding issues, so I sent it for repair. When I got it back, the receiver was boogered up as if someone had taken a Dremel tool to it. As this was a brand new rifle, I couldn't have that so sent it back again to be replaced. Trouble is, that was the one rifle, out of the 5 AT44's that I have had in my hands, that showed some accuracy promise. The replacement, on the other hand, had serious accuracy issues. Plus, as evidence that your rifle was really accurate after all, they will send you a target showing 3 shots at 20 yards. First of all, 3 shots doesn't show you anything, and 20 yds is springer range and is an insult, or should be, to a PCP.

Knowing what I now know, based upon my own experience alone, in this price range I would stick with the Marauder .25. Although I love the features of the AT44, I would avoid it like the plague. For me, anyway, the bloom is definitely off the rose.

[Privateer]

  If you got a good one be happy.

I have the AT44 QE long in .25 and the AT44 Tac in .22
Both of mine are almost boring to shoot way out to 100+ yards.
So I'm happy enuff to consider a BT Carnavore in .357

[Scott Endler]

I have the AT44 QE long in .25 and the AT44 Tac in .22
Both of mine are almost boring to shoot way out to 100+ yards.
So I'm happy enuff to consider a BT Carnavore in .357

Do have any photos of targets we can see?

[GoneShootn]

  If you got a good one be happy.

I have the AT44 QE long in .25 and the AT44 Tac in .22
Both of mine are almost boring to shoot way out to 100+ yards.
So I'm happy enuff to consider a BT Carnavore in .357

Believe me, I'm happy for you. You're not alone, as many others have had experience similar to yours. Maybe more than have had experience similar to mine.

[RAJOD]

Hatsan finally replied but I had already decided to send it back to midway and wash my hands of it.

Hatsan offered an RMA but it almost seems like they are looking to place blame and charge.   Getting blamed for their shoddy workmanship would be the last straw.  Its a many questions asked type of warranty and maybe the guy that decides just says "hey I think you put the gun in a vise" and then I get charged on top of all the work I put into it.

"Please send it to the address below, along with a copy of your receipt and
a copy of this email.  We will either repair or replace your item.  If
it's determined that your issues were caused by something other than
manufacture's defect, i.e. user error, tampering, abuse, etc., we'll
contact you with a cost of the repair and return shipping before we do
any work.

For Pre-Charged Pneumatic (PCP) guns, we WILL NOT process your
repair unless the air cylinder and at least 1 magazine are included."

So Hatsan on the way back and BSA Scorpion SE on the way from PA.

[Privateer]

Do have any photos of targets we can see?

That's 105 yards with the AT44 QE long .25
I haven't shot the .22 for N.U.A.H. yet but I hit the bell target out at 100+ easily.

[JoeV]

Hatsan finally replied but I had already decided to send it back to midway and wash my hands of it.

Hatsan offered an RMA but it almost seems like they are looking to place blame and charge.   Getting blamed for their shoddy workmanship would be the last straw.  Its a many questions asked type of warranty and maybe the guy that decides just says "hey I think you put the gun in a vise" and then I get charged on top of all the work I put into it.

"Please send it to the address below, along with a copy of your receipt and
a copy of this email.  We will either repair or replace your item.  If
it's determined that your issues were caused by something other than
manufacture's defect, i.e. user error, tampering, abuse, etc., we'll
contact you with a cost of the repair and return shipping before we do
any work.

For Pre-Charged Pneumatic (PCP) guns, we WILL NOT process your
repair unless the air cylinder and at least 1 magazine are included."

So Hatsan on the way back and BSA Scorpion SE on the way from PA.

That's standard nomenclature to cover their butt from someone who may have modified their gun within the warranty period. IMO, that just makes sense. If you buy a gun with the express purpose of modifying it to your specific needs/wants, the manufacturer should not be held liable because of it. I see people here all the time buying a gun is they can tear into it and improve it. That's fine, but the manufacturer shouldn't be required to sent you parts or replacements once that's done.


I received the same email today, but they said they needed both magazines back. They're getting the .22 magazine that they shipped in the parts box when the gun was new. I'm getting ready to pack it up now and take it to FedEx to ship back. Hopefully I'll get back a gun like Jeff has that shoots good groups so I can be "bored" as well. 😆

[GoneShootn]

Hatsan finally replied but I had already decided to send it back to midway and wash my hands of it.

Hatsan offered an RMA but it almost seems like they are looking to place blame and charge.   Getting blamed for their shoddy workmanship would be the last straw.  Its a many questions asked type of warranty and maybe the guy that decides just says "hey I think you put the gun in a vise" and then I get charged on top of all the work I put into it.

"Please send it to the address below, along with a copy of your receipt and
a copy of this email.  We will either repair or replace your item.  If
it's determined that your issues were caused by something other than
manufacture's defect, i.e. user error, tampering, abuse, etc., we'll
contact you with a cost of the repair and return shipping before we do
any work.

For Pre-Charged Pneumatic (PCP) guns, we WILL NOT process your
repair unless the air cylinder and at least 1 magazine are included."

So Hatsan on the way back and BSA Scorpion SE on the way from PA.

I'll be interested to see how that Scorpion turns out. Keep us posted.

[RAJOD]

Hatsan finally replied but I had already decided to send it back to midway and wash my hands of it.

Hatsan offered an RMA but it almost seems like they are looking to place blame and charge.   Getting blamed for their shoddy workmanship would be the last straw.  Its a many questions asked type of warranty and maybe the guy that decides just says "hey I think you put the gun in a vise" and then I get charged on top of all the work I put into it.

"Please send it to the address below, along with a copy of your receipt and
a copy of this email.  We will either repair or replace your item.  If
it's determined that your issues were caused by something other than
manufacture's defect, i.e. user error, tampering, abuse, etc., we'll
contact you with a cost of the repair and return shipping before we do
any work.

For Pre-Charged Pneumatic (PCP) guns, we WILL NOT process your
repair unless the air cylinder and at least 1 magazine are included."

So Hatsan on the way back and BSA Scorpion SE on the way from PA.

That's standard nomenclature to cover their butt from someone who may have modified their gun within the warranty period. IMO, that just makes sense. If you buy a gun with the express purpose of modifying it to your specific needs/wants, the manufacturer should not be held liable because of it. I see people here all the time buying a gun is they can tear into it and improve it. That's fine, but the manufacturer shouldn't be required to sent you parts or replacements once that's done.


I received the same email today, but they said they needed both magazines back. They're getting the .22 magazine that they shipped in the parts box when the gun was new. I'm getting ready to pack it up now and take it to FedEx to ship back. Hopefully I'll get back a gun like Jeff has that shoots good groups so I can be "bored" as well. 😆

Yes JoeV that maybe standard but as they say "a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush"
Midway was 100 percent no issue return so I went that route.

I hope you get a winner.   I think Hatsans can be great guns keep us posted on the new one.

[RAJOD]

Hatsan finally replied but I had already decided to send it back to midway and wash my hands of it.

Hatsan offered an RMA but it almost seems like they are looking to place blame and charge.   Getting blamed for their shoddy workmanship would be the last straw.  Its a many questions asked type of warranty and maybe the guy that decides just says "hey I think you put the gun in a vise" and then I get charged on top of all the work I put into it.

"Please send it to the address below, along with a copy of your receipt and
a copy of this email.  We will either repair or replace your item.  If
it's determined that your issues were caused by something other than
manufacture's defect, i.e. user error, tampering, abuse, etc., we'll
contact you with a cost of the repair and return shipping before we do
any work.

For Pre-Charged Pneumatic (PCP) guns, we WILL NOT process your
repair unless the air cylinder and at least 1 magazine are included."

So Hatsan on the way back and BSA Scorpion SE on the way from PA.

I'll be interested to see how that Scorpion turns out. Keep us posted.

I started a new thread on the scorpion.   I am a little excited for the new toy.   
Sounds like it might give my Daystate a run for its money.

[JoeV]

Hatsan finally replied but I had already decided to send it back to midway and wash my hands of it.

Hatsan offered an RMA but it almost seems like they are looking to place blame and charge.   Getting blamed for their shoddy workmanship would be the last straw.  Its a many questions asked type of warranty and maybe the guy that decides just says "hey I think you put the gun in a vise" and then I get charged on top of all the work I put into it.

"Please send it to the address below, along with a copy of your receipt and
a copy of this email.  We will either repair or replace your item.  If
it's determined that your issues were caused by something other than
manufacture's defect, i.e. user error, tampering, abuse, etc., we'll
contact you with a cost of the repair and return shipping before we do
any work.

For Pre-Charged Pneumatic (PCP) guns, we WILL NOT process your
repair unless the air cylinder and at least 1 magazine are included."

So Hatsan on the way back and BSA Scorpion SE on the way from PA.

That's standard nomenclature to cover their butt from someone who may have modified their gun within the warranty period. IMO, that just makes sense. If you buy a gun with the express purpose of modifying it to your specific needs/wants, the manufacturer should not be held liable because of it. I see people here all the time buying a gun is they can tear into it and improve it. That's fine, but the manufacturer shouldn't be required to sent you parts or replacements once that's done.


I received the same email today, but they said they needed both magazines back. They're getting the .22 magazine that they shipped in the parts box when the gun was new. I'm getting ready to pack it up now and take it to FedEx to ship back. Hopefully I'll get back a gun like Jeff has that shoots good groups so I can be "bored" as well. 😆

Yes JoeV that maybe standard but as they say "a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush"
Midway was 100 percent no issue return so I went that route.

I hope you get a winner.   I think Hatsans can be great guns keep us posted on the new one.

I received two guns from AGD...both had the same barrel problem generating identical results. Their inventory appears to be from the same lot, so it made no sense to get a third gun. That's that's why I sent it back to Hatsan for their inspection/correction. I've dealt with them before and had no problems. Since Jeff is bored out of his mind with the same gun, I figured I could get one to bore me as well. He's proven it's possible to get a consistent shooter. I know, because I own four other Hatsans that are wonderful.

[Privateer]

Jason, AKA nervoustrigger, has a nice .25 shooter as well!
I shot his down in Mississippi and bought mine very shortly after that.
He posted a picture of a House fly I hit at 43 yards after only shooting 4 or 5 shots to get use to his set up.


So a good one can be a shooter. You can see the shots I took before I hit the fly.
The upper hole was my first shot. Then the lower holes were the follow ups as I adjusted my POA.
I think I may have asked if his was for sale at the time as I was impressed being the first time I ever shot the AT44.
Even the .22 MRod I had did not impress me as much and it was a shooter also.

If Jason ever puts that AT44 in the classifieds? You better beat me to it!

[JoeV]

I almost forgot I owned this gun, but it finally came back from Hatsan yesterday, via the FedEx camel train.  After looking over the service test report, i tore down the shroud and removed the barrel before even shooting it. The barrel is the same barrel with the choke 4" at the breech and loose the rest of the way. Not real happy about that, and no explanation as to if this is right or wrong, so this will remain a mystery with the answer known only to Hatsan. I guess the customer doesn't need to know, or maybe they think I can't handle the truth. I digress before I say how I really feel about this. 😠


The only thing I see that they did was to replace the plastic baffles with a pair that have the the same large diameter hole all the way through. No 5/16" reduced diameter on one end like originally came with both guns. Perhaps this was a known problem, because these are molded, not drilled out. No machining marks.


Here's the service test report, and some 9-shot groups from the basement. Stayed with charging to 175 bar, but took it up to 200 bar for the Baracudas...won't do that again! Waste of air and pellets.











Not sure when I'll be able to get it out to see what it's like at distance in MY hands. Right now I'm just apathetic about this gun because of its problems that shouldn't exist at this price point.I better just shut up since I'm not real happy now. It's supposedly fixed, so I guess I should be thrilled that they didn't think to communicate what they did.

[Sfttailrdr46]

  Joe when a rifle leaves you feeling less than happy when you shoot it it is better to sell it take the hit and move on to something that puts a smile on your face. I have owned and sold several rifles that were not to my liking and only 2 that I sort of regret selling but at the end of the day I will not keep a rifle that makes me less than happy they are not worth the aggravation 

[JoeV]

I guess that had an unrealistic expectation that they would do a better job of communicating what they did or didn't do. I have a small business that's based on communicating what I will and will not do, and if anything, I tend to over explain so the customer is fully informed. I think I'm a dying breed.