Looking for a new air gun help

[festis77]

Hmmmm..... how about the Gamo Accu .22?

- Must be light under 7 pounds - check 6.6 lbs
- Must be over 15 fpe - close, I think mine is right around 15 FPE, maybe a bit over
- hmm would rather have .22 - check
- No break barrels - Under or side lever might be ok. - check, under lever

And it's pretty accurate. 

[RAJOD]

Ok maybe I have to modify requirements down to 12 FPE.   Yea once you have a 30FPE PCP at 6.5lbs non PCPs seem to be a compromise in one thing or another.   So I guess FPE needs to step down.

- Walther Lever Action CO2 Rifle, Black  (https://www.pyramydair.com/product/walther-lever-action-co2-rifle-black?m=2445)
But I've heard CO2s have issues at 90 degree or cold.  Not sure how big a deal it is.   It looks like a fun gun to shoot though.

- Maybe for springs would need to set weight higher maybe 8 lbs if one exists.

[Back_Roads]

 Check at grabagun.com they have some unique air rifles listed.

[RAJOD]

Just got this in.  Meets all the specs and is a springer muiltishot.  They say its a game changer, and it is in terms of price.   But its probably junk, will have to see a review on it.  Its under 6 pounds.  (Arghh its a break barrel though)

Gamo Swarm Maxxim Multi-shot Air Rifle

Caliber   0.22" (5.5mm)
Max Velocity   975 fps
Loudness   3-Medium
Barrel Length   19.9"
Overall Length   45.3"
Shot Capacity   10
Cocking Effort   30 lbs.
Barrel   Rifled
Front Sight   none
Rear Sight   none
Scopeable   Yes
Trigger   Two-stage adjustable
Buttplate   Rubber
Suggested for   Small game hunting/plinking
Trigger Pull   3.2 lbs
Action   Break barrel
Safety   Manual
Powerplant   Gas-piston
Function   Repeater
Material   Metal/ABS plastic
Body Type   Rifle
Fixed/adj. power   Fixed
Weight   5.64 lbs
Shrouded   Yes

[lefteyeshot]

Something a little different. Hatsan Dominator S carbine. A little heavier than you said. Built like a tank. Shoulders great. Pistol grip very comfortable. Tac driver. Weaver or 11mm. Doesn't kick hard like other big Hatsans. I have an AK sling on mine and a air stripper on mine. Don't have to worry about scratching it. Trigger was great right out of the box. Can be had in .177, .22 or .25, spring or gas ram.
Grab a Gun $277.
Air Gun Pro Shop refurb $129

I have a Swarm. Like it a lot. But it is to light for me. I filled the butt stock with old and cheap pellets.

[Smaug2]

So now I'm looking at another gun just for kicks.   Could be Co2, under leaver, or even pump.  No PCP I have that covered.

My criteria is
- Must be light under 7 pounds (no 10+ pound monsters)
- Must be over 15 fpe
- hmm would rather have .22 but if you can argue for .177 I'll listen.
- No break barrels - Under or side lever might be ok.

Ones I'm currently eyeballing.
- Air Arms Pro Sport or the Walther LGU, (Might be too heavy though)
- Any pumps - seems the pumps are dead though.  People saying the new benjamins are poor quality vs the 1980s ones.
- Walther Lever Action - Co2 (might be too weak to kill small game)
- RWS 48 or something like that.

If its a springer I don't want a finicky one that you have to tune and learn to shoot etc.    My current PCPs I have not done anything to and they hold 3000 psi for years no headaches they just work.  No tuning either.

All springers are finnicky, compared to PCPs. Even the high-end ones' POIs change with temperature and how long they've sat between shooting sessions. Once "warmed-up" with a couple shots, they're fine.

Diana 48 is a tank, doesn't meet your weight criteria. The Pro Sport and LGU; same thing.

I'd drop the 15 FPE requirement, as you already have guns that are capable of hunting.

3 ideas:

1) Walther lever action. It really changes things up and adds something new to your arsenal. I've never read a bad report about them. They're just fun. I don't believe they're 15 FPE, but you could take pest birds with it. It'll be fun and a totally different kind of shooting than you're used to. Not too serious. 

2) Along that same line of thought, an HW30s or Beeman R7. They're an easy-cocking, not hold-sensitive, not finnicky low power springer.

3) A used, tuned Benji 392 that is a known shooter (no paint overspray in the barrel) with a peep site would be good too. 3 pumps for plinking. 6 for small critters, 8 for bigger critters.

As a reference point, 12 FPE is plenty enough for squirrels, and 9 is enough at closer ranges of 15 yards or so. 7 is pushing it and requires perfect placement.

[RAJOD]

Something a little different. Hatsan Dominator S carbine. A little heavier than you said. .

You mean Hatsan Dominator 200S Carbine?  Yea maybe but its only .177 and .25 on the site I checked.    I like that it has built in strap rings.     That is a maybe for sure, thanks!

[lefteyeshot]

Something a little different. Hatsan Dominator S carbine. A little heavier than you said. .

You mean Hatsan Dominator 200S Carbine?  Yea maybe but its only .177 and .25 on the site I checked.    I like that it has built in strap rings.     That is a maybe for sure, thanks!

Air Gun Pro Shop has new .22 Dominator S carbines for $309.99. After posting above yesterday I took mine out. After checking zero on paper I killed three wine bottle corks at 25 yards. You need an off-set scope mount to get good eye relief. The Hatsan weaver mounts are a little to far forward.

[39M]

I'd get one of the plastic stocked $90 Crosman NP rifles in .177 and do a little trigger work. Box says 6 pounds and I figure somewhere close to 900 fps with 8 grain or so pellets. So just under 15 fpe.

I had one for a few hours, but took it back because the barrel looked out of spec to the right, and at the time I wasn't aware of all the available trigger mods.
But it was a really nice feeling and lightweight rifle with a very smooth shot cycle.

The standard plastic stocked NP .22 might get you there, but weighs about a half pound more and will run about $120 from what I've seen.

[19Sheridan57]

   Be aware that the manufacturers posted FPS may be far off what you will really get. [ except Hatsan , which is pretty accurate ]   I have seen a 25% reduction !

[SteveP-52]

I wasn't gonna but what the heck...Hatsan Model 95 Vortex QE .22. Weighs in at 7.6 pounds unscoped, 2 stage adjustable trigger that, while it's no Rekord or T06, is a nice trigger in it's own right. The QE moderator makes them fairly quiet for a break barrel and yes, even for being one they're accurate with or without a scope and because it's a gas ram, the recoil goes straight back and forth unlike the twisting torque from a spring which because I own a few, makes them easier to be accurate with and the SAS shock absorbing system does work at helping dampen the recoil which helps add to the accuracy.
Gas rams are a different beast to shoot but you might just find you like them over a springer. Mine is the lesser version Edge Vortex that got swapped into a wood stock and doesn't have the Quattro trigger but it does have the same gas ram as the Model 95 and falls into the same power range which depending on pellet will be somewhere in the 17-19 fpe range.

That said, I also own the German side in a Weihrauch HW95 .22. A hair over 7 pounds, Rekord trigger, open sights, silly accurate with now 4 different pellets and depending on which of those I'm shooting, comes in right about 14.66 fpe. It's never been tuned but didn't feel it needed to be. No offense to the guys that won't shoot one until they tear down, tune and install a Vortek or JM kit straight out of the box or trot them off to a tuner without ever firing a shot, but I'm not one. I wanted to shoot mine just the way it came and even the trigger is just the way it came out of the box. Almost a 1000 shots later, I'm still not feeling any need to as the rifle has done nothing but get better the more I shoot it. The only thing that's been done to mine was adding a set of Mac1 screw cups to the front stock screws.

[39M]

   Be aware that the manufacturers posted FPS may be far off what you will really get. [ except Hatsan , which is pretty accurate ]   I have seen a 25% reduction !

I think Crosman claims 1200 fps on the .177 NP, and 1000 w/ lead.

[RAJOD]

Hmmmm..... how about the Gamo Accu .22?

- Must be light under 7 pounds - check 6.6 lbs
- Must be over 15 fpe - close, I think mine is right around 15 FPE, maybe a bit over
- hmm would rather have .22 - check
- No break barrels - Under or side lever might be ok. - check, under lever

And it's pretty accurate.

Yea thanks!  Gamo seems to have the market on light weight guns.  Most of them are light.   

I might have to go to a airgun show sometimes so I can see them up close and personal.  Shopping on the net is fun but its not the same as seeing the gun in real life.   

I appreciate all the great posts and suggestions, keep them coming.

[Killo Coonadillo]

Yea thanks!  Gamo seems to have the market on light weight guns.  Most of them are light.   

I might have to go to a airgun show sometimes so I can see them up close and personal.  Shopping on the net is fun but its not the same as seeing the gun in real life.   

I appreciate all the great posts and suggestions, keep them coming.

What you are proposing is wise, that is see if you can see them in person and better yet, if you can find someone that has some you could shoot, that would be even better.

39M has merit if you don't mind working on your rifle, that is disassembly and such.
scp52 latter part about the HW95 is generally considered a very good air rifle.

Another suggestion is to visit Flying Dragon and get one from him fully tuned.

Be careful concerning Gamo, some parts are almost impossible to get according to which model one is looking at.

[RAJOD]

Thanks!   I like that name and site "Flying Dragon"  some pretty inexpensive tuned guns.

BAM B-26-2 - 100.00 no tune, 200.00 tuned.
XISICO XS28-M 200.00 no tune, 300.00 tuned

He is doing what those Chineese factories don't, he makes the guns work as advertised.   I think thats why I hated that beeman I had, not tuned and a scope breaker.

[Sfttailrdr46]

Take a look at the Gamo Maxium Swarm Multi shot break barrel with 10 shot magazine . So far everyone who has one seems to be surprised at the performance lightweight and multi shot break barrel springer whoda thunk a fun to shoot break barrel plinker 

[Rover]

I think every collection needs at least one pumper. I'm sold on pcps as well but would never get rid of my 1322. Compact and VERY light weight. And the sky is the limit for customization. 

[DonH]

For a Springer you can't bet a Walther LGV. State of the art, quality, zero tolerance. Just relax, point and shoot. But if you want a light weight pumper go with the Benjamin 392, clean the paint off the inside of the crown. If you want you can do the trigger mods and you end up with a very nice trigger. Mine is very accurate.

[Airwoods]

If you want to try co2 I'd go with Mike Melick at flying dragon air rifles.ive been shooting my xs60 co2 .22 cal quite a bit now that I purchased from him.You can leave it stock for it to shoot around 600 fps or get the power tune free of charge that shoots over 700 fps.They are pretty cheap at $125 and free shipping.Now I've only got about 12-15 yards to shoot from but from those distances it clover leafs pellets with a peep sight installed which is fun and is good for about 30 shots.

[RAJOD]

I think every collection needs at least one pumper. I'm sold on pcps as well but would never get rid of my 1322. Compact and VERY light weight. And the sky is the limit for customization.

You know Rover, I agree with ya.    I am missing a pumper.  Was thinking about driving to walmart and get a Benjamin 392 for $150.00 just to have a pumper.   

A 1322?  Is that some kind of pump gun I've not heard of?