Looking for a new air gun help

[RAJOD]

I started out long ago with a crosman 760 and 766?(rifled barrel).  In the 1980s.

Later I tried a break Barrel beeman and then went PCP,  Daystate Regal XL and Brocock eiite S6.  Both in .22 at 25 to 30 FPE.

I gave my break barrel to a friend, I never liked it, it was a scope breaker and always had to tinker with the bolts and scope or it could not be trusted shot to shot.     The PCPs are almost like cheating they are so much easier to shoot and can use any scope without worrying about the optics being torn apart.

So now I'm looking at another gun just for kicks.   Could be Co2, under leaver, or even pump.  No PCP I have that covered.

My criteria is
- Must be light under 7 pounds (no 10+ pound monsters)
- Must be over 15 fpe
- hmm would rather have .22 but if you can argue for .177 I'll listen.
- No break barrels - Under or side lever might be ok.

Ones I'm currently eyeballing.
- Air Arms Pro Sport or the Walther LGU, (Might be too heavy though)
- Any pumps - seems the pumps are dead though.  People saying the new benjamins are poor quality vs the 1980s ones.
- Walther Lever Action - Co2 (might be too weak to kill small game)
- RWS 48 or something like that.

If its a springer I don't want a finicky one that you have to tune and learn to shoot etc.    My current PCPs I have not done anything to and they hold 3000 psi for years no headaches they just work.  No tuning either.   

[BenjiHunter]

If you're eye balling those guns, you should look at a HW97K caliber .20
Incredibly accurate gun and it's not hold sensitive.
It's not under 7LBS though, but it's so well balanced that it feels lighter.

[rufus80]

None of the spring gun choices are under 7lbs. If you want a pump I would look at an older bluestreak.

[Doug Wall]

You are venturing into the realm of Unobtanium. Once you get into the realm of 15+ FPE, you pretty much eliminate all springer/NP guns for weight. A suggestion might be a QB-78, or QB-79. I have both. The QB-78 runs on 2-12g CO2, or can be modded for bulk fill CO2. The QB-79, will run off a CO2 paintball tank, 88g CO2 (with sep. adapter), 12g (with sep adapter), or a 13ci HPA tank (1100 psi reg.). Both of these guns come in at 6 lbs. My QB 79 has had a little valve work done (easy!), and currently gets 17-18 FPE on the 1100 psi HPA. These are pretty accurate, fun guns, that aren't very expensive. Make sure that you but them from a dealer that tests the guns before shipping. I can't mention that dealer here, but they are in Fairport , NY.

[Wayne52]

I have never tried CO2 in my Discovery to see what it would do but being I live in a colder climate probably not so good.  One thing about c02 is if it's kept at the same temperature for each shot it's about as consistent as anyone could want.  I have a Bluestreak that I bought new in 77 and it's a fantastic pumper, if you're anywhere near Kalamazoo Michigan I recommend the Kalamazoo Airgun show, it's fantastic, I went for the first time last summer and this year I'm going to show up there with a wad in my pocket    I know you'd be able to find a good old Streak there.

[jusanothajoe]

Under 7 lbs.
Over 15 FPE
Not hold sensitive.
Doesn't need tuning.
I want one too !

[Skinard88]

Under 7lbs underlever
Over 15 fpe
Not hold sensitive
No learning curve
When you find this unicorn of a springer,  PLEASE let us all know about it. I want one

[RAJOD]

If you're eye balling those guns, you should look at a HW97K caliber .20
Incredibly accurate gun and it's not hold sensitive.
It's not under 7LBS though, but it's so well balanced that it feels lighter.

Yea that HW97K looks nice.   I think I wanted .22 just because all my guns are .22 doing that I won't have any mix ups in ammo.    .20 is sort of a strange size in terms of finding pellets.  .177 or .22 is available and most local stores in my area.

[RAJOD]

I have never tried CO2 in my Discovery to see what it would do but being I live in a colder climate probably not so good.  One thing about c02 is if it's kept at the same temperature for each shot it's about as consistent as anyone could want.  I have a Bluestreak that I bought new in 77 and it's a fantastic pumper, if you're anywhere near Kalamazoo Michigan I recommend the Kalamazoo Airgun show, it's fantastic, I went for the first time last summer and this year I'm going to show up there with a wad in my pocket    I know you'd be able to find a good old Streak there.

No I have never been to a air gun show but Kzoo is not too far from me like an hour or so.

[RAJOD]

Under 7lbs underlever
Over 15 fpe
Not hold sensitive
No learning curve
When you find this unicorn of a springer,  PLEASE let us all know about it. I want one

LOL, yea maybe its a tall order.   But there are so many guns out there I figured if anyone knew of one it would be here.

Maybe I'll just get a 50.00 Crosman 2100 and call it good.    Very light weight.   

[lillysdad621]

your weight requirement and the fact you do not want a break barrel makes it very narrow search... you can get a Disco in .22, but given that you already have PCPs it makes no sense...
I would give break barrels a good look again. most .22 BB will reach your power level without being to harsh. My choice would be a HW95 in .22 (you can shoot it as is but tuning would make it a forever gun), or if price is an issue get the chinese copy B26 in .22 tuned by Mike Mellick. should be about 200 to 250 TUNED and shipped to you. they are about 6.5 lbs and are not difficult to master. plus the tuning will make it easier on your scopes.

Or take your Chances with a BSA GRT... i hear that the barrels are still cold forged steel, made by BSA...

[Skinard88]

I had a TX200 22cal. and I still have a D34p 22cal.  They shot at the same power, about 15fpe.  I sold the TX and kept the 34 for a few reasons.  The 34 is just as accurate as my TX.  The 34 weighed less then the TX.  The 34s to6 trigger is just as good as the TX. IMO,  The only thing the TX did better than my 34 was It looked soooo good doing it.  You might want to look at an HW95 or a D34.  Break barrels are very accurate.  Give one another chance, and A tuned springer is something you should try.  I wish we lived close so you could shoot mine.  All my springers are tuned.  Its worth it.

[Techie]

Sounds to me like you already have it well covered with your Daystate and Brocock.  Anything else will just be a disappointment compared to those.

[RAJOD]

Sounds to me like you already have it well covered with your Daystate and Brocock.  Anything else will just be a disappointment compared to those.

You are probably correct.  I'm just adding to my collection.   I have PCP,  I gave away my springer w scope for free.  Just did not like it but it was not the best springer, I don't like break barrels w/ scopes I think they are fine for open sights.

- Maybe a Benjamin  392 pump
- and a side or under lever springer.

I think I did not spoiled on the weight of the Daystate.  It does all I ask in my want list.   But was trying to come close with a springer if possible.  Maybe its not.   

[Techie]

Maybe a Benjamin  392 pump

I have a Benjamin 392 with a Steroid treatment by Tim Mac, and a custom stock I made myself.   Pumping that thing 8 or more times to get any decent power is a real workout in my old age, besides taking a lot of time between each shot and being very noisy to pump.  I'd much rather hand-pump a PCP.  Putting a scope on it (because of my old eyes) is a real pain because you need a pistol scope in order to mount the scope far enough forward to have a place to put your hand when pumping.  The Crosman scope mount that clamps onto the barrel is not very sturdy.

You already got rid of a springer because you didn't like the problems associated with springers.  I made the mistake of buying a couple new fully-tuned springers recently, thinking perhaps a different one would not have the same problems.  Guess what?  The two new ones have the same problems.

[BenjiHunter]

If you're eye balling those guns, you should look at a HW97K caliber .20
Incredibly accurate gun and it's not hold sensitive.
It's not under 7LBS though, but it's so well balanced that it feels lighter.

Yea that HW97K looks nice.   I think I wanted .22 just because all my guns are .22 doing that I won't have any mix ups in ammo.    .20 is sort of a strange size in terms of finding pellets.  .177 or .22 is available and most local stores in my area.

I'm sure the .22 is just as accurate.

[RAJOD]

Where are you finding all those Rats to shoot?  You live near a dump?

[BenjiHunter]

ROFL, yeah, my back yard is a dump.

[Doug Wall]

If you're eye balling those guns, you should look at a HW97K caliber .20
Incredibly accurate gun and it's not hold sensitive.
It's not under 7LBS though, but it's so well balanced that it feels lighter.

Yea that HW97K looks nice.   I think I wanted .22 just because all my guns are .22 doing that I won't have any mix ups in ammo.    .20 is sort of a strange size in terms of finding pellets.  .177 or .22 is available and most local stores in my area.

At almost 9 lbs., and only 12-13 FPE, that one bombs out on two counts of your requirements.

[BenjiHunter]

I don't know about the .22 but my .20 was 15FPE out of the box.