Well, my Puncher Breaker broke

[oldpro]

2 mags at 40 yards on 1 fill shooting 18.1 grain JSB average 880fps

[oldpro]

From what I've seen they do have issues as the one I got today had similar issues as last one and both magazines wouldn't work well as they kept jamming. That said at the price point all the problems can be dealt with making this the hands down best bang for buck I've seen to date. Side lever action/power adjuster/repeater/bullpup/2 magazines and SST etc etc. Just be ready with industrial heat gun and patience to get gun apart LOL

Since, you're the expert, and you have had multiple Krals in your hand, and experienced multiple Kral failures yourself,
can you please give a quick Kral vs Bullboss opinion in here?
Thanks.

I can give you my opinion but it's just that my opinion. The bullboss has several features I like like forward cocking bolt and higher rail so eye relief is better BUT because of its type of shroud it's very hard to make it quieter without pulling shroud and making LDC also its magazine is narrow and doesn't fit large ammo well plus it's heavier and longer. Also the hatsan valve is about as and  inefficient design one could come up with now the overall quality is better with the hatsan but given a choice I would take the Kral. That's my personal opinion as a professional tuner and gun builder take it for what ever you want as I'm not here to make comparisons to every other gun out there,and there's a lot.

[pllagunos]

2 mags at 40 yards on 1 fill shooting 18.1 grain JSB average 880fps

That's amazing! That looks well under 1/2". Travis, do you think with your magic you will be able to make a MOA bullpup to +50 yards? Also how is the shot count with these?

[oldpro]

I'll throw you a string shortly on the .22 and as far as the .25 goes we'll have to wait and see. If the barrel performs well I don't see why I couldn't make a 50Fpe gun that shoots sub MOA at 50 or what I call a 50/50 gun. But it's all talk till I get proof on paper. My only problem I foresee is these guns so far as I've seen need attention right out of the box and for the average Joe it won't be easy but still the price point kind of makes it all worthwhile.

[Evo Shift]

From what I've seen they do have issues as the one I got today had similar issues as last one and both magazines wouldn't work well as they kept jamming. That said at the price point all the problems can be dealt with making this the hands down best bang for buck I've seen to date. Side lever action/power adjuster/repeater/bullpup/2 magazines and SST etc etc. Just be ready with industrial heat gun and patience to get gun apart LOL

Since, you're the expert, and you have had multiple Krals in your hand, and experienced multiple Kral failures yourself,
can you please give a quick Kral vs Bullboss opinion in here?
Thanks.

I can give you my opinion but it's just that my opinion. The bullboss has several features I like like forward cocking bolt and higher rail so eye relief is better BUT because of its type of shroud it's very hard to make it quieter without pulling shroud and making LDC also its magazine is narrow and doesn't fit large ammo well plus it's heavier and longer. Also the hatsan valve is about as and  inefficient design one could come up with now the overall quality is better with the hatsan but given a choice I would take the Kral. That's my personal opinion as a professional tuner and gun builder take it for what ever you want as I'm not here to make comparisons to every other gun out there,and there's a lot.

Thank you.

It sounds like IF and when Kral fixes their issues,
the Puncher may become a Bulboss competitor. 

Until then, I think the lower shot count and longer barrel of the Bullboss is worth the trade off for a gun that works out of the box without requiring repairs or modifications.
Not to mention, both Bulboss "trade offs" equal more power, which makes the Bulboss a better pesting gun.

What's the fix for the Bullboss "valve issue" and cost?   (regulator)
Can a novice do the modification easily?

[benj397]

OldPro
You said they were difficult to take apart.  If you go through one and sell it, will it be difficult to dismantle too?

Shooting 18 gr at 880 - is that what you measured at 100dB?  Seems loud to me.  Can anything else be done?

Waiting to see the shot string chrony results. 

Can a regulator be installed in these?

How useful is the power adjuster?  Is it a couple clicks or completely variable.  Wondering if setting it is repeatable.

Interested in the 25 cal too.  When will you get one of those?

[Edtampa]

2 mags at 40 yards on 1 fill shooting 18.1 grain JSB average 880fps

That's amazing! That looks well under 1/2". Travis, do you think with your magic you will be able to make a MOA bullpup to +50 yards? Also how is the shot count with these?

This thread as certainly peaked my interests as well especially with the fixes and price point from Travis.

[oldpro]

OldPro
You said they were difficult to take apart.  If you go through one and sell it, will it be difficult to dismantle too?

Shooting 18 gr at 880 - is that what you measured at 100dB?  Seems loud to me.  Can anything else be done?

Waiting to see the shot string chrony results. 

Can a regulator be installed in these?

How useful is the power adjuster?  Is it a couple clicks or completely variable.  Wondering if setting it is repeatable.

Interested in the 25 cal too.  When will you get one of those?

When I go threw it I remove the thread locker so it's easy to get apart. 100dB at the muzzle is very quiet and what many would consider backyard friendly. I'll have 25 cals on fri/Saturday The power adjuster isn't clicks it's like a reostate it's infinitely adjustable plus their is also a hammer spring adjuster.

[Buldawg76]

The Krals have got my interest as well since my next gun will be a bullpup. So following with much interest as well.

Travis
If I go with a Kral I will be contacting you to get a reworked trouble free gun for sure. Even though I prefer to do all my own work your price is just to tempting to buy a gun that will not need any work for a long time so it can be shot and enjoyed from the start. I like you enjoy the exploring and investigating of new guns and designs but sometimes it nice to just shoot without the worry of having to rework to your liking and anal perfection.

You do us all here a great service indeed.

Mike

[PAcanis]

2 mags at 40 yards on 1 fill shooting 18.1 grain JSB average 880fps

This was out of the box? That's pretty darn good.
Mine should be in today. I hope it's a calm day 

[oldpro]

2 mags at 40 yards on 1 fill shooting 18.1 grain JSB average 880fps

This was out of the box? That's pretty darn good.
Mine should be in today. I hope it's a calm day 

that was NOT out of the box go back and read the whole post

[PAcanis]

2 mags at 40 yards on 1 fill shooting 18.1 grain JSB average 880fps

This was out of the box? That's pretty darn good.
Mine should be in today. I hope it's a calm day 

that was NOT out of the box go back and read the whole post

That WAS your whole post. Minus the pic that the forum edited out.

[oldpro]

Read back threw thread sorry

[anti-squirrel]

It may not be out of the box, but it is the factory barrel and a factory gun with some QA performed after the fact.  Like I said in another post:  precision costs money.  Travis: you're offering a step up from the "canned product" in precision by doing what Kral should be doing, but probably can't at the price range in question. 

We would see a $650 or more likely $750 Puncher Breaker if it was delivered with the level of craftsmanship and attention to detail you're offering.  At the price range you're advertising, this is a steal with a worked Kral.

[oldpro]

Thanks Peter! I guess that's why I'm up working in the shop at 5am lol. Long day ahead

[PAcanis]

Read back threw thread sorry

OK, I think I'm with you now. That was the gun you reworked. I missed the link to the other forum. I saw the pic and thought it was one of the new ones you had ordered.
I'll bet if I had bench rested mine, before something let loose, it could have come close to those groups.
Fingers crossed for my replacement.

[oldpro]

Read back threw thread sorry

OK, I think I'm with you now. That was the gun you reworked. I missed the link to the other forum. I saw the pic and thought it was one of the new ones you had ordered.
I'll bet if I had bench rested mine, before something let loose, it could have come close to those groups.
Fingers crossed for my replacement.

I dont doubt it as the others Im testing shoot as well also.

[PAcanis]

Read back threw thread sorry

OK, I think I'm with you now. That was the gun you reworked. I missed the link to the other forum. I saw the pic and thought it was one of the new ones you had ordered.
I'll bet if I had bench rested mine, before something let loose, it could have come close to those groups.
Fingers crossed for my replacement.

I dont doubt it as the others Im testing shoot as well also.

That's good news. My new one seems to be doing alright, too.

[rdwilson]

2 mags at 40 yards on 1 fill shooting 18.1 grain JSB average 880fps

  I would be satisfied with those results..

[Hualalai]

Travis, another comparison, please.  Travis-tuned Taipan Mutant vs. Travis-tuned Kral Puncher Silent Marine. 
Is the $-delta from the T-T Kral to the T-T Taipan worth it from an fpe (hunting) POV and from an FT POV?
Thanks!

Afternote.  It's weird that "Silent" means "bullpup" in Kral-talk.