Well, my Puncher Breaker broke

[oldpro]

He is trying to sell his...

Its hard to compare an AF gun to this..There aren't really too many parts in an AF to break. . It is a very simple gun , I have several of them in the past so I know the ins and outs of the AF.

Ahh... thanks.
I thought he was offering to re-work them.

If the Talon SS has fewer parts, it should be the one selling for $500 
But I imagine being US made gives them the liberty to price them higher. Like Colt 1911's are priced higher than their foreign counterparts.

Your right I'm thinking I buy them and rework them taking out the bugs and making them quiet and resale for $580 plus shipping

Do you have any plans on making aftermarket parts for them? TSS, light weight hammer, shrouds and such?

Yes

[anti-squirrel]

He is trying to sell his...

Its hard to compare an AF gun to this..There aren't really too many parts in an AF to break. . It is a very simple gun , I have several of them in the past so I know the ins and outs of the AF.

Ahh... thanks.
I thought he was offering to re-work them.

If the Talon SS has fewer parts, it should be the one selling for $500 
But I imagine being US made gives them the liberty to price them higher. Like Colt 1911's are priced higher than their foreign counterparts.

Your right I'm thinking I buy them and rework them taking out the bugs and making them quiet and resale for $580 plus shipping

You would probably have a lot of takers on that.  I'd certainly consider it.

I still cannot find many actual complains about the Kral PCPs, despite the link Evo Shift provided.  When I looked at it, I saw 2 complaints, then some gossip about "numerous South African owners having problems".  I call it gossip, not a legit failure, because it is only hearsay and there are no facts in that statement.  Call me silly, but one link espousing "many problems" and only coming up with a couple isn't exactly many.  Gut feeling tells me Kral probably ramped up production for entering the US market, and some guns will fail the QA check but still make it out the door.  It's inevitable in any manufacturing process where cost is a factor.

Thus far, here on the GTA, I've read one thread about a Kral breaking.  Is there room for improvement and/or tweaking?  Yes, just like the MRod, a run-of-the-mill Hatsan PCP, or even a Maximus.  You're not going to get a Mutant for well under half the cost.  But is ia Kral PCP worth the money?  I would say yes.  But I also firmly believe in letting the manufacturer learn from mistakes by utilizing the warranty process.  Just like I know most QB-79s are very good, my first purchase had multiple problems so I returned it.  Just like I RMA'd my Hatsan 95QE (and my subsequent replacement has been flawless). 

Anytime you buy anything new, it's a gamble.  Whether a cell-phone, a car, a computer, or an airgun.  If it comes with a warranty, be patient and give a manufacturer a chance to make it right.  One can argue a $500 PCP is a lot of money, but many folks have zero qualms plunking down that kind of money for a new iPhone or Galaxy phone.

[Rob M]

alot of people ( not me ) have car payments over 500 dollars, especially where I live

[PAcanis]

Your right I'm thinking I buy them and rework them taking out the bugs and making them quiet and resale for $580 plus shipping

I think that's a pretty fair offer.
It's hard to tell what might break though, as in my case. Something let loose in less than 100 shots. Maybe something else will go between 4-500.
Mine was shooting so accurately I really hated to get rid of it. Especially from what I've read about others. It would have been worth it to me to send it to you, you re-work/fix it, and to heck with  the warranty.

[Hunt4dinner]

Couldn't have said it better myself peter.

[tinsoldier]

I still cannot find many actual complains about the Kral PCPs, despite the link Evo Shift provided.  When I looked at it, I saw 2 complaints, then some gossip about "numerous South African owners having problems".  I call it gossip, not a legit failure, because it is only hearsay and there are no facts in that statement.  Call me silly, but one link espousing "many problems" and only coming up with a couple isn't exactly many.  Gut feeling tells me Kral probably ramped up production for entering the US market, and some guns will fail the QA check but still make it out the door.  It's inevitable in any manufacturing process where cost is a factor.

Thus far, here on the GTA, I've read one thread about a Kral breaking.  Is there room for improvement and/or tweaking?  Yes, just like the MRod, a run-of-the-mill Hatsan PCP, or even a Maximus.  You're not going to get a Mutant for well under half the cost.  But is ia Kral PCP worth the money?  I would say yes.  But I also firmly believe in letting the manufacturer learn from mistakes by utilizing the warranty process.  Just like I know most QB-79s are very good, my first purchase had multiple problems so I returned it.  Just like I RMA'd my Hatsan 95QE (and my subsequent replacement has been flawless). 

Anytime you buy anything new, it's a gamble.  Whether a cell-phone, a car, a computer, or an airgun.  If it comes with a warranty, be patient and give a manufacturer a chance to make it right.  One can argue a $500 PCP is a lot of money, but many folks have zero qualms plunking down that kind of money for a new iPhone or Galaxy phone.

There are also the lack of clarifications of what generation those people were having problems with in their Krals. The ones the U.S. are receiving are the Second gen. that have the reworked magazines and scope stands conversion from composite to aluminum. In the past I have had 2 Hatsans that broke right out the box, leaks in both my Impact and Vulcan...so does that make them a bad deal..definitely not.

[anti-squirrel]

Your right I'm thinking I buy them and rework them taking out the bugs and making them quiet and resale for $580 plus shipping

I think that's a pretty fair offer.
It's hard to tell what might break though, as in my case. Something let loose in less than 100 shots. Maybe something else will go between 4-500.
Mine was shooting so accurately I really hated to get rid of it. Especially from what I've read about others. It would have been worth it to me to send it to you, you re-work/fix it, and to heck with  the warranty.

Next time around, give Travis a chance.  
I'm still leaning more toward a Cometa Orion 'pup, but knowing this can change things.  A bug-free quiet .22 sidelever bullpup for $580?

I've kept a couple air rifles that broke and tinkered until I fixed them just because they shot so darn accurately.  My first B-3 underlever... dovetails machined off center, a horrid trigger, inconsistent power... but inside a couple tins and some gentle massaging of the internals, it became an iron-sight squirrel-killer, and is still fulfilling that role (now in Florida, where the current owner moved to).  I figure if you win the barrel lottery, it is worth keeping and fixing, since most thinks are either linkage-related (on bullpups), debris getting in somewhere it shouldn't, or an o-ring.

[Old Corps]

let me ask this would you pay $580 for one that was gone threw and modded to really be quiet and have no issues?

If you're referring to the Marine bullpup that retails for $549 I think that'd be a screaming good deal!

Ed

[oldpro]

let me ask this would you pay $580 for one that was gone threw and modded to really be quiet and have no issues?

If you're referring to the Marine bullpup that retails for $549 I think that'd be a screaming good deal!

Ed

I am! Infact I can do all their guns

[PAcanis]

I've kept a couple air rifles that broke and tinkered until I fixed them just because they shot so darn accurately.  My first B-3 underlever... dovetails machined off center, a horrid trigger, inconsistent power... but inside a couple tins and some gentle massaging of the internals, it became an iron-sight squirrel-killer, and is still fulfilling that role (now in Florida, where the current owner moved to).  I figure if you win the barrel lottery, it is worth keeping and fixing, since most thinks are either linkage-related (on bullpups), debris getting in somewhere it shouldn't, or an o-ring.

I'll find out soon enough if I've won the barrel lottery again.
I just received the tracking# on the other one I bought.

And whoever suggested that AD  and PA were one in the same... my new Kral, that I ordered from AD, is shipping from Solon, OH. What a coincidence...

[anti-squirrel]

let me ask this would you pay $580 for one that was gone threw and modded to really be quiet and have no issues?

If you're referring to the Marine bullpup that retails for $549 I think that'd be a screaming good deal!

Ed

I am! Infact I can do all their guns

This pleases me.   

[Old Corps]

let me ask this would you pay $580 for one that was gone threw and modded to really be quiet and have no issues?

If you're referring to the Marine bullpup that retails for $549 I think that'd be a screaming good deal!

Ed

I am! Infact I can do all their guns

I'll be following this to see where it leads--the problem areas you address, etc. I've been wanting a bullpup for a reasonable price & was leaning toward a Bullboss but the lighter weight of the Kral is what attracted me most as well as a higher shot count stock. I know, less power but I can accept that. Needless to say, it has to be accurate. Just don't want to buy a bunch of problems so I'll wait & see what you come up with.

Ed

[oldpro]

 I just ordered a couple 25s and another 22 and plan on ramping up the power seeing what they can effectively do.

[Rob M]

very cool@@@@@@@

[Old Corps]

I just ordered a couple 25s and another 22 and plan on ramping up the power seeing what they can effectively do.

Great!

Ed

[Marauder22]

I just ordered a couple 25s and another 22 and plan on ramping up the power seeing what they can effectively do.

Subscribed to see your magic. Glad I stumbled on this post. I was about to order 1 in .25. Holding off. You may be on to something!

[Evo Shift]

I've kept a couple air rifles that broke and tinkered until I fixed them just because they shot so darn accurately.  My first B-3 underlever... dovetails machined off center, a horrid trigger, inconsistent power... but inside a couple tins and some gentle massaging of the internals, it became an iron-sight squirrel-killer, and is still fulfilling that role (now in Florida, where the current owner moved to).  I figure if you win the barrel lottery, it is worth keeping and fixing, since most thinks are either linkage-related (on bullpups), debris getting in somewhere it shouldn't, or an o-ring.

I'll find out soon enough if I've won the barrel lottery again.
I just received the tracking# on the other one I bought.

And whoever suggested that AD  and PA were one in the same... my new Kral, that I ordered from AD, is shipping from Solon, OH. What a coincidence...

That was me.

I'm also the one to suggest you get a Bullboss instead this time. LOL
Regardless, good luck. 

[Evo Shift]

I still cannot find many actual complains about the Kral PCPs, despite the link Evo Shift provided.  When I looked at it, I saw 2 complaints, then some gossip about "numerous South African owners having problems".  I call it gossip, not a legit failure, because it is only hearsay and there are no facts in that statement.  Call me silly, but one link espousing "many problems" and only coming up with a couple isn't exactly many.  Gut feeling tells me Kral probably ramped up production for entering the US market, and some guns will fail the QA check but still make it out the door.  It's inevitable in any manufacturing process where cost is a factor.

Thus far, here on the GTA, I've read one thread about a Kral breaking.  Is there room for improvement and/or tweaking?  Yes, just like the MRod, a run-of-the-mill Hatsan PCP, or even a Maximus.  You're not going to get a Mutant for well under half the cost.  But is ia Kral PCP worth the money?  I would say yes.  But I also firmly believe in letting the manufacturer learn from mistakes by utilizing the warranty process.  Just like I know most QB-79s are very good, my first purchase had multiple problems so I returned it.  Just like I RMA'd my Hatsan 95QE (and my subsequent replacement has been flawless). 

Anytime you buy anything new, it's a gamble.  Whether a cell-phone, a car, a computer, or an airgun.  If it comes with a warranty, be patient and give a manufacturer a chance to make it right.  One can argue a $500 PCP is a lot of money, but many folks have zero qualms plunking down that kind of money for a new iPhone or Galaxy phone.

How many Krals have been delivered in the first week of U.S. sales?
Of those, how many have had issues?

It's not a new product having  "production ramp-up QA problems".
The Kral has been on sale in Europe for a while.

Considering multiple forum members are personally reporting multiple Kral failures in the first week of delivery,
I would not call that "gossip".

And, yes, I actually do think it's silly to ignore all the info regarding Kral failures.
I also think it's silly to pay $500 to a company for the "privilege" of doing THEIR Beta Testing for them, wasting my time and my money.

[oldpro]

From what I've seen they do have issues as the one I got today had similar issues as last one and both magazines wouldn't work well as they kept jamming. That said at the price point all the problems can be dealt with making this the hands down best bang for buck I've seen to date. Side lever action/power adjuster/repeater/bullpup/2 magazines and SST etc etc. Just be ready with industrial heat gun and patience to get gun apart LOL

[Evo Shift]

From what I've seen they do have issues as the one I got today had similar issues as last one and both magazines wouldn't work well as they kept jamming. That said at the price point all the problems can be dealt with making this the hands down best bang for buck I've seen to date. Side lever action/power adjuster/repeater/bullpup/2 magazines and SST etc etc. Just be ready with industrial heat gun and patience to get gun apart LOL

Since, you're the expert, and you have had multiple Krals in your hand, and experienced multiple Kral failures yourself,
can you please give a quick Kral vs Bullboss opinion in here?
Thanks.