PP700 adventure started(Artemis PP700s-a)

[titeuf007]

my friend doesn t speak english .his pseudo is mag de mars on french forum
with regulator and little tune he has 27j so he is happy.
but with this power he has small shoot count so it would like to improve it with a small paintball tank +preset which are really cheap and can be up more than 250bars!
the size of the gun will be pretty similar (if you look on my link you will see the size of the complet kit..)
we only need a part to connect the bottle on the gun!(jsdman make one for crosman so it s similar)

[dang3r]

Hey peeps, thats my pp700sa pushing 31.5joules on facebook. The fun factor is that I managed to squeeze 36j with a bit heavier pellet and removing the suppressor. The thing is that this kind of power is useless when your shot count is about 10 shots... so I kept the power at avarage 25j and about 25 nice shots with very small speed variation which is more than enough for small distance pests control I'm using it. If someone looking for more power you must get bigger gun. Of course it is .22 cal

Many thanks to Donny for his posts and infos, they really helped.

[titeuf007]

thanks for you reply
in my case i would like 30j but with higher shoot count
so we are going with a friend to create a part to use paintball tank and regulator instead original one
the total length will be the same if i compare with original cylinder.i have already buy the complet kit post below (less than 40euro)`

[Rallyshark]

Hey peeps, thats my pp700sa pushing 31.5joules on facebook. The fun factor is that I managed to squeeze 36j with a bit heavier pellet and removing the suppressor. The thing is that this kind of power is useless when your shot count is about 10 shots... so I kept the power at avarage 25j and about 25 nice shots with very small speed variation which is more than enough for small distance pests control I'm using it. If someone looking for more power you must get bigger gun. Of course it is .22 cal

Many thanks to Donny for his posts and infos, they really helped.

No problem man, we're all here to help each other!  You need to post a couple pictures of yours on here.  It looks pretty cool the way you have it set up 

thanks for you reply
in my case i would like 30j but with higher shoot count
so we are going with a friend to create a part to use paintball tank and regulator instead original one
the total length will be the same if i compare with original cylinder.i have already buy the complet kit post below (less than 40euro)`

I'm looking forward to seeing what you create with it!

[titeuf007]

don t worry i will post pictures..i have already ordering the tank+preset
but the adaptator is made by someone which is very busy at this moment so i will have surely for end of august

[sawtoothscream]

finally bought a allen set.  so to up the power give the hammer a few turns in and do what with the reg?   never used a reg before so do I go CW or CCW with my adjustment?  thanks   

[Rallyshark]

Go CW to increase the set point.  Just make sure you have the pressure below 100 bar, preferably 70-80bar.  It is better to adjust the reg without more pressure than the set point leaning on it.  Don't get me wrong I've done without the pressure being that low, but it isn't recommended  

After you give the regulator 1/4-1/2 turn in, then adjust the hammer.  Of course, this is all just guessing if you don't have a chrony.  I know a few people's guns have had the hammer spring adjusted pretty tight from the factory.  Mine was middle of the road.  I think I have mine about 1.5-2 turns from max on my current tune of 15fpe in .177.

What speed are you going for and with what pellets?

[sawtoothscream]

Go CW to increase the set point.  Just make sure you have the pressure below 100 bar, preferably 70-80bar.  It is better to adjust the reg without more pressure than the set point leaning on it.  Don't get me wrong I've done without the pressure being that low, but it isn't recommended  

After you give the regulator 1/4-1/2 turn in, then adjust the hammer.  Of course, this is all just guessing if you don't have a chrony.  I know a few people's guns have had the hammer spring adjusted pretty tight from the factory.  Mine was middle of the road.  I think I have mine about 1.5-2 turns from max on my current tune of 15fpe in .177.

What speed are you going for and with what pellets?

I have a Chrono.      Pretty much anything over 600 with 18 gr pellets would make me happy.    Around 540 now.     

Will give it a go tomorrow, thanks

[sawtoothscream]

Have 20 shots over 14 ft/lb now.   Now hunting  legal in NY.    Going to keep playing with it though.   

[Cathartes]

Finally got up the nerve to mess with my sweet-shooting PP700SA and try to see if I could get more power. I gained 4 FPE at the cost of 3 shots per fill. I can definitely live with that. I don't know how people are getting 16 FPE without modifications, though. I could never get mine higher than just over 15 FPE, and I couldn't get more than 25 shots at that power level. I currently get 30 shots at ~14.5 FPE:



I played with this thing about four hours today, and here's some observations about tuning:

For best hammer performance at almost any pressure, screw all the way in, and then back off 1.25-1.75 turns. Screw the transfer port screw all the way in, and then back off about a full turn. Give or take about a quarter of a turn as you adjust the hammer. When you drop the regulator pressure, feel free to back both the hammer and TP adjuster off a little bit together, but not more than a quarter turn. Changing regulator pressure does not really affect those settings by more than that, and you'll start getting wobbly strings.

I still haven't figured out the regulator completely, but I'd say it performs best around the center setting. It's difficult to say how many turns, because I never bottomed it out. It gets harder and harder to turn. Turning it up (CW) may not necessarily raise your FPS. Finding the sweet spot for the hammer and TP settings that give you a flat string should be your goal. Make really small adjustments, such as an 8th of a turn, and then shoot a few pellets. Once I found a setting that would sling 18.1 grain pellets at 600 FPS, I slowly backed it off until it dropped below 600, then brought it right back up to there.

[MonsterMaxx]

Lookie what I got for my PP700S-A
It's the Vortex Venom red dot.  It's tiny!  That's the Truglow next to it.  Even comes with a molded rubber cover and some tools.
Sadly, I can't actually test it b/c my pistol is off at Rocker and is likely gone for another week or two.  It is MUCH brighter than the truglow.  It's 1/4 the size/weight.  They claim zero parallax.  Has auto brightness and auto off features.  The fit and finish is much nicer than the truglow.  And opticsplanet gave me a heck of a deal on it.
I LIKE it so far.  Can't wait for the pistol to get back.

[Rallyshark]

Those are a nice sight for sure!  It should work really well for that pistola when you get it back.

[MonsterMaxx]

Just got word from Rocker that it's done.  Says he got over 800fps out of it.  
Asked him to turn the throttle down just a little into the 750s.  I should have it...what...tuesday 

[Techie]

Just thinking outside the box here, but has anyone put a rifle scope on this pistol?  That's what I intend to do with the one I just ordered today.  I hate handgun scopes because you lose the sight picture if your eye is not perfectly aligned with the scope tube, plus you have a tiny field of view.  With a rifle scope, I'll hold the pistol close to my eye and hold onto the scope from the top with my left hand to help support the pistol.  I have seen pictures of Tim McMurray and others competing in field target shooting his LD pistol this way, so it must work well.

[nervoustrigger]

Yep, the taco hold and a rifle scope.  These things are accurate enough that they demand good magnification.

[Rallyshark]

Quite a few folks have put rifle scopes on them.  I believe Motorhead did on his when did his pp700w build a while back.  A lot of the guys are putting butt stocks on them with rifle scopes, and making a handy super light carbine out of them.  It is all about what you want from the gun   While I've had no issues with a 4x pistol scope, many people simply don't like shooting with a pistol scope.  The gun is accurate enough that the extra magnification of a rifle scope certainly won't be wasted if you can find the hold/combo to shoot well with it. 

[sawtoothscream]

I really regret not buying a 4x scope for mine.   The 2x just seems odd to my eyes.      Seeing how my b26 is useless I'll try mounting the utg 3-9  on mine and give it a go over the weekend.   

The guys at my range shoot their field target pistols will rifle scopes and it seems to work well.   

[Techie]

Yep, the taco hold and a rifle scope

Thanks.  I had no idea there was a name for this method of holding a pistol.  Now I know!

[Wayne52]

Quite a few folks have put rifle scopes on them.  I believe Motorhead did on his when did his pp700w build a while back.  A lot of the guys are putting butt stocks on them with rifle scopes, and making a handy super light carbine out of them.  It is all about what you want from the gun   While I've had no issues with a 4x pistol scope, many people simply don't like shooting with a pistol scope.  The gun is accurate enough that the extra magnification of a rifle scope certainly won't be wasted if you can find the hold/combo to shoot well with it. 

Donny the only reason I haven't got a 4X on mine yet is because I already had a pistol scope that I intended on using for my Prod back in 2016, well I decided to use that as a carbine instead of a pistol (too big and heavy for the real pistol feel and versatility) and it is now on my MKII.  I'd love the 4X but for now the 2X that's on it will do for the time being.

They do take some getting use to (first time I've really made good use of a pistol scope) but once I got the hang if it I'm pretty much sold on the pistol scope, especially on a gun that REALLY  needs a scope for it's full potential accuracy.  I don't really recommend a 2X x 20mm but it's been a fantastic aid in pistol scope usage

Eventually a Simmons scope will find it's way here!!!

[MonsterMaxx]

When the mail lady is already over an hour later than normal and she's got your pistol...

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