PP700 adventure started(Artemis PP700s-a)

[Wayne52]

Just ordered one yesterday from Mrodair, really wish I would have read this entire thread beforehand... Probably would've gone with Krale.
Looking forward to playing around with it in the little spare time I have. Figure it'll make a great night rat gun.

You'll like it I'm sure, they're a super accurate pistol, it takes about 100 shots I'd say to get the regulator on them to settle in(in my case it did) I've really been having a lot of fun with mine
I'm pretty sure from what Mike was saying at Mrodair that they're in stock so hopefully he's shipping them out promptly when he gets the orders in.   Don't mark my word though

[aluminumfetish]

Hey Wayne, Have you had any blow out issues at the breech on yours yet ? I just started noticing it.

[Wayne52]

Hey Wayne, Have you had any blow out issues at the breech on yours yet ? I just started noticing it.

No I haven't Mitch, I've been using the heck out of it too, last night I was doing some chrony testing with it again with different pellets, I haven't had any problems with it at all.

[bandg]

I've noticed some breech leakage as others have posted about but it hasn't hurt the accuracy.  Apparently the leakage can be reduced (possibly not completely eliminated) by removing a grub screw on the right side of the frame (beneath the grip) and then screwing the valve base in front of the hammer in to tighten the breech.  Some have noted making a tool by bending a coat hanger to use to turn the valve body and I think others have noted using small needle nose pliers.  I recall a post about a bicycle tool you can buy that will also fit the valve.  I believe you need to have the air tube empty to do this but I haven't actually done it myself yet.

[anti-squirrel]

Just ordered one yesterday from Mrodair, really wish I would have read this entire thread beforehand... Probably would've gone with Krale.
Looking forward to playing around with it in the little spare time I have. Figure it'll make a great night rat gun.

I picked mine up from Krale last year- mine's .177 (the green handled thing) and it has been an absolute blast.  I sent mine to Rocker1 as a testbed for an LDC adapter- quite happy with the result, though I think I'm going to drop my power level.

My breech o-ring occasionally lifts when I swing open the breech, but it's a non-concern, especially given my gun's accuracy at the ranges I shoot.

Only real thing I dislike about it is the pistol is too darn addictive to shoot.

[Wayne52]

I'd say maybe trying different types of orings to see which works best  

[SilentMatt]

It has arrived! Gotta say, I'm impressed with the quality so far. I've got some plans for it...

It's shooting between 640-700, faster than I expected.

[anti-squirrel]

It has arrived! Gotta say, I'm impressed with the quality so far. I've got some plans for it...

It's shooting between 640-700, faster than I expected.

Another victim owner.  Welcome to the club!

Let us know what pellets it likes.  Mine doesn't seem to be very picky.

[SilentMatt]

It's currently too loud to shoot in my backyard, but the escrow on our new house should close any day, then I'll have Plenty of room and be out of the city. I'll try to take it to a buddy's this weekend and test some different pellets out.

[Rallyshark]

***UPDATE!
I couldn't stand it, so I played with my gun a little tonight to see if it had any more juice in it with the regulator still in place.  I think it is safe to say the valve work is really shining now with a bit more pressure.   I tried to push the power.  I gave the regulator adjustment another half turn in.  I probably could have given it more, but I didn't want to make any washers flip.  Here's the string that I shot using different pellets, and I stopped at 150-ish bar after I tuned it back to the 900fps for the 7.25 Terminators.
Start pressure was 220 bar
H&N Terminators 7.25 grain(after 3 dry fires to settle the reg) :
1009
1016
1011
1019
1014
I then tried some JSB 13.4 grain, since the power was looking so good:
812
811
819
809
815
Then I put the Terminators back in:
1013
1021
1011
Then I started tuning it back down to where I leave it set for critters:
966(after taking some hammer spring off)
924(after taking a little more off)
911(after taking a little more off)
895(a wee bit more off, just a hair too much)
908(back up a hair, close enough)

After all of that it still had 150+bar left in the tank!  What was more surprising, is that it really wasn't much louder when I was pushing the power(thank you Rocker1 LDC).  A lot of that is due to the higher regulator set point, so the valve was closing faster.  I don't know where the regulator is set at this point, but I'd guess it has to be around 120-130 bar at least.  I didn't want to keep wasting pellets, and wanted to leave the pistol ready for back door duty, so I didn't keep shooting to see where the velocity fell off.  I'm a little surprised to see that the gun will essentially do a 20fpe tune(in .177) on the regulator.  I don't know how many shots it would get at that power, but I'd guess close to 20.  Just when I thought these little pistols couldn't impress me anymore...   

[shultz]

Nice! I really need to drag the dremel out and open things up a bit...

[TleVta]

20 ft lb's is Rockin...

[Wayne52]

It has arrived! Gotta say, I'm impressed with the quality so far. I've got some plans for it...

It's shooting between 640-700, faster than I expected.

Glad to see you got your gun already, if Mrodair has them in stock I think they get right on top of shipping when the orders come in by the looks of your example, it's only been 10 days since you posted that you ordered it

[anti-squirrel]

Okay, so if I'm reading this right, Donny... you're getting a 20 FPE tune on a .177 pistol that has only 67 CC volume and it's good for ~ 20 shots?  On the regulator? 

Needless to say, that's really impressive.

And I still think these little buggers would be magical with a .25 barrel.  Yeah, it would be relatively slow- about like a .25 springer... which is perfect for short range on medium size things.

[Ozarkairgunner]

And I still think these little buggers would be magical with a .25 barrel.  Yeah, it would be relatively slow- about like a .25 springer... which is perfect for short range on medium size things.

I've been dreaming about that too lol

[SilentMatt]

It has arrived! Gotta say, I'm impressed with the quality so far. I've got some plans for it...

It's shooting between 640-700, faster than I expected.

Glad to see you got your gun already, if Mrodair has them in stock I think they get right on top of shipping when the orders come in by the looks of your example, it's only been 10 days since you posted that you ordered it

Mrodair shipped it the next business day, but I didn't get any tracking info or anything even after emailing a few days after ordering. I'm surprised it took UPS so long to deliver it, I'm getting spoiled with the USPS and Amazon Prime...

[dan_house]

You guys gave me the first ever worthwhile reason to consider joining Facebook. 

Lots of groups on FB for air gunners and other shooting sports. just dont do the stereotypical FB stuff and you'll be fine......

[dan_house]

Didn't look bad or shoot bad, just wasn't a great idea.



Mounting to the grips I'd have to pass on. Plastic grips are pretty much a hollow shell and the plastic used isn't the strongest, so am pretty sure one good moderate bump would crack/shatter the grips when there is that long a lever attached.

the grip isa the worst place to attach a stock. as noted there is no meat there. Im working on a full carbine stock for it (actually the second attempt, the first one proved my concept but was ugly as <insert street slang here>....... pics later tonight or tomorrow

[anti-squirrel]

You guys gave me the first ever worthwhile reason to consider joining Facebook. 

Lots of groups on FB for air gunners and other shooting sports. just dont do the stereotypical FB stuff and you'll be fine......

LOL, I still haven't joined.

Though my wife and I were joking about creating one for our Boston Terrier. 


I'm throwing around the idea of getting another PP700 (ordering it and an HW-30) from Krale specifically to have a .25 barrel for it.  I cannot think of any pistol that would be easier to convert given the configuration. 

[dan_house]

Have you all seen

Looks like a rifle based on the same design! I would definitely buy that.

 Jeez!!! I am going to quit reading this thread. David

Ive bought a couple guns from that vendor. Listone.com..... Very nice guys, easy to work with. But....(always a but, right?) Remember they are in China, its 12 hours or so LATER there, so your email dialog takes a day, roughly to happen, per message. I happen to hit them when they we're leaving for the big shooting sports trade show in germany, then had to wait while they celebrated a holiday when they returned home. They sold me 2 "representative samples" of something I was interested in for another project (which fell thru and now I have the guns...), but my price for them was the "QTY 10" pricing, even for just one gun. Buy more of them and the per gun cost goes down. Also I had to pay with a wire transfer, and got dinged by the bank for a "currency conversion fee".

Expect to have to deal with US customs, depending on your order's total cost you may invoke a customs tax and or a custom processing fee. I had to hire a broker to act as my agent as I cant clear customs myself here  in Bozeman MT. IF you have a customs office at the airport near you you can do that yourself. Listone also wanted to ship it in a container, then charge a container fee to unpack it then move it to the US freight carrier. I got them to send it Delta freight (which is how it wound up in Minneapolis, and their customs folks).  All told a couple of cheap air guns wound up being not so cheap (but still cheaper than the US guns they were based on) but my main expense was time on the fone working the customs angle of it.

Listone makes some cool stuff, but you have to be patient and willing to deal with customs......