PP700 adventure started(Artemis PP700s-a)

[Rallyshark]

Found ya!

[Rocker1]

I'm blaming all of you, especially the tree rat guy and I'm not leaving you out either Donny,  yall on my watch list now and you know why dang it. Ill get even  you bet on that lol!!!!, and Scott also(motorhead).  David

[Dairyboy]

Got mine lastnite! Needless to say I'm impressed and shooting the JSB 8.44 in the 665fps range! I gotta mount up my red dot to see just how accurate it can be but I think it's pretty accurate. Not that loud for me and much nicer feel than the Kalibrgun ocelot I had. That gun was very wide and hefty this one feels much nicer. Trigger definitely is alittle heavy for what I like but once I adjust I think I'll be very happy with it!

[anti-squirrel]

Got mine lastnite! Needless to say I'm impressed and shooting the JSB 8.44 in the 665fps range! I gotta mount up my red dot to see just how accurate it can be but I think it's pretty accurate. Not that loud for me and much nicer feel than the Kalibrgun ocelot I had. That gun was very wide and hefty this one feels much nicer. Trigger definitely is a little heavy for what I like but once I adjust I think I'll be very happy with it!

Alrighty, glad to see you likin' it.  Don't forget to try some other pellets.  Mine likes... well, everything except Eun Jins 16s and oddly enough CP box 10.whatever domes.   The JSB Exact heavies, H&N Sniper Mags, and Beeman Silver Arrows all groups very well in my not-so-capable hands.  And with the power and accuracy it puts out, it's a short-to-mid range pesting tool.  I dunno if I'd want to open up over 30 yards myself, but a good shooter could probably stretch it out to 40 or more.

I'm blaming all of you, especially the tree rat guy and I'm not leaving you out either Donny,  yall on my watch list now and you know why dang it. Ill get even  you bet on that lol!!!!, and Scott also(motorhead).  David

LOL, especially the Tree rat guy?  Scott's thread last year is what prompted me to really look at these wonderful little PCPs.

I guess if my name  you gotta drag my name through the mud on account of being an enabler, I can live with it.  Because yes, if the PP700W is a drug, then I'm a pusher.   Besides.. Donny's teardown and experimentation are what go you hooked

[Dairyboy]

Got mine lastnite! Needless to say I'm impressed and shooting the JSB 8.44 in the 665fps range! I gotta mount up my red dot to see just how accurate it can be but I think it's pretty accurate. Not that loud for me and much nicer feel than the Kalibrgun ocelot I had. That gun was very wide and hefty this one feels much nicer. Trigger definitely is a little heavy for what I like but once I adjust I think I'll be very happy with it!

Alrighty, glad to see you likin' it.  Don't forget to try some other pellets.  Mine likes... well, everything except Eun Jins 16s and oddly enough CP box 10.whatever domes.   The JSB Exact heavies, H&N Sniper Mags, and Beeman Silver Arrows all groups very well in my not-so-capable hands.  And with the power and accuracy it puts out, it's a short-to-mid range pesting tool.  I dunno if I'd want to open up over 30 yards myself, but a good shooter could probably stretch it out to 40 or more.

Oh absolutely I'm going to try more pellets it's just all I got on hand at the moment. I need to get me a straight shooters sampler in .177 to test. Got one in .22 a year ago but never saw the need for the .177 until now. I'll probably do rested shooting with a scope to find the most accurate one and then sight in my red dot with the magic pellets. And yes mine is going to be a mainly close range pester.

[Rallyshark]

I'm blaming all of you, especially the tree rat guy and I'm not leaving you out either Donny,  yall on my watch list now and you know why dang it. Ill get even  you bet on that lol!!!!, and Scott also(motorhead).  David

"Tree rat guy" LOL!!!!  Now I'm gonna start thinking of Peter as Tree Rat guy, haha.  So have you got The Tree Rat guy's gun yet?  Did you order yourself one too? 

Got mine lastnite! Needless to say I'm impressed and shooting the JSB 8.44 in the 665fps range! I gotta mount up my red dot to see just how accurate it can be but I think it's pretty accurate. Not that loud for me and much nicer feel than the Kalibrgun ocelot I had. That gun was very wide and hefty this one feels much nicer. Trigger definitely is alittle heavy for what I like but once I adjust I think I'll be very happy with it!

Like Peter said, it will probably like a lot of different pellets.  I'm glad you like it, because I would have felt bad if you received it and thought it was a piece of junk after all this building up we've been doing   I don't think they come in the pellet samplers, but mine LOVES the H&N Terminators(7.25 grain).  I'd highly recommend giving those a try for pesting.  I haven't had the chance to do any pesting with mine yet, but the Terminators are my go to in my .22s.  As far as other "hunting" pellets go.  Mine also likes the Barracuda Hunter Extremes(9.57grain), but it hates the regular Barracuda Hunters(go figure).  The only others I've found that it likes are the Crosman 10.5 domes in the can.  I haven't tried nearly as many pellets as Peter has though. 

It took my reg a good 150-200 pellets to start settling in for what its worth, but that won't matter much for closer range stuff.  I'd try to find a red dot that is less than 5MOA if I were you.  That 5MOA dot covers a lot of real estate, but a 2.5 or 3 MOA dot has worked very well for me. 

[anti-squirrel]

I'm blaming all of you, especially the tree rat guy and I'm not leaving you out either Donny,  yall on my watch list now and you know why dang it. Ill get even  you bet on that lol!!!!, and Scott also(motorhead).  David

"Tree rat guy" LOL!!!!  Now I'm gonna start thinking of Peter as Tree Rat guy, haha.  So have you got The Tree Rat guy's gun yet?  Did you order yourself one too? 

Got mine last nite! Needless to say I'm impressed and shooting the JSB 8.44 in the 665fps range! I gotta mount up my red dot to see just how accurate it can be but I think it's pretty accurate. Not that loud for me and much nicer feel than the Kalibrgun ocelot I had. That gun was very wide and hefty this one feels much nicer. Trigger definitely is alittle heavy for what I like but once I adjust I think I'll be very happy with it!

Like Peter said, it will probably like a lot of different pellets.  I'm glad you like it, because I would have felt bad if you received it and thought it was a piece of junk after all this building up we've been doing   I don't think they come in the pellet samplers, but mine LOVES the H&N Terminators(7.25 grain).  I'd highly recommend giving those a try for pesting.  I haven't had the chance to do any pesting with mine yet, but the Terminators are my go to in my .22s.  As far as other "hunting" pellets go.  Mine also likes the Barracuda Hunter Extremes(9.57grain), but it hates the regular Barracuda Hunters(go figure).  The only others I've found that it likes are the Crosman 10.5 domes in the can.  I haven't tried nearly as many pellets as Peter has though. 

It took my reg a good 150-200 pellets to start settling in for what its worth, but that won't matter much for closer range stuff.  I'd try to find a red dot that is less than 5MOA if I were you.  That 5MOA dot covers a lot of real estate, but a 2.5 or 3 MOA dot has worked very well for me.

The Tree Rat guy?  There's worse names I guess.

I'll be checking out the Terminators.  Gonna have to order some up for sure, and probably a few others.  I concur with the Barracuda Hunter Extremes.   Mine did well enough with those and they are as effective on sparrows as Sniper Magnums.  I'm still surprised 2+ months of shooting mine that it didn't like the Crosman 10.5 box domes.  Everything likes those (plus I have a couple boxes)... but at least my 760 likes 'em.

A good red-dot would really be perfect, but a decent 2x pistol scope with proper eye relief would also be sweet.  I'm just looking forward to seeing what kind of fun David cooks up. 

[Rallyshark]

For some reason, its just funnier when David says it I guess    There is no telling what kind of pistol you're gonna get back, and I mean that in a good way! 

I will say I'm using the Crosman domes in the tin, and not the box for what its worth.  I'm gonna try those sniper magnums someday I swear.  I was most surprised the the regular Barracuda Hunters did work well with it.  They are usually a darn accurate pellet as far as hollowpoints go in most any caliber.  If I took the reg out of the loop, and was going for maximum power, I'd order up some piledrivers to try, haha. 

Don't get me wrong the 2.5MOA dot I'm using works great.  Well, its really a reflex sight with a little sunshade.  I do think the pistol certainly has the accuracy to justify a decent scope.  I thought long and hard about slapping a cheap BSA Edge 2-7X on it, but I have other guns for anything far enough away to need a scope.  I also think the heavier/bigger scope would take the fun element away from the pistol for me too.

[Dairyboy]

Yeah I'll need to try some of those for sure! Stole a red dot from another plinker and I didn't like it at all could shoot one hole groups but wasn't comfortable even while rested. Rested shooting with the iron sights I shot just as good groups and it is really liking the 10.34 JSBs. So I'm going to keep it open sights for now! However am going to get a sampler for it. Oh also adjusted the trigger and much better than before! I'm REALLY liking this gun.

[anti-squirrel]

Yeah I'll need to try some of those for sure! Stole a red dot from another plinker and I didn't like it at all could shoot one hole groups but wasn't comfortable even while rested. Rested shooting with the iron sights I shot just as good groups and it is really liking the 10.34 JSBs. So I'm going to keep it open sights for now! However am going to get a sampler for it. Oh also adjusted the trigger and much better than before! I'm REALLY liking this gun.

Mine liked those JSB Exact Heavy 10.34.  In fact, every .177 I own that likes them likes the H&N Sniper Magnums and the Silver Arrows as well.  I wish I took the chance to send some JSB Ultraschocks at some paper, on account of those being a pretty awesome hollowpoint wadcutter HOSP-cutter. 

No I'm not trying to convince you to buy more pellets.    and if you keep talking about how much you like the iron sights, I'm gonna feel obligated to buy the .22 with the black grip and irons myself just to see what all the hype is about

Am I enabling myself?

[Rallyshark]

A dot sight does require some getting used to.  I actually don't like "RED" dots, which is why I chose one with green and blue as well.  I prefer the green.  I also made sure to pick one with a small dot as opposed to the 5MOA+ dots.  I've never done well with blocky pistol sights.  I do fine with them on rifles, but I'm just not as good with them on pistols.  I can shoot my PB pistols okay with them, and a big sight on top doesn't really make sense for carry either.  The important thing right now is that you shoot good with iron sights, and the gun is accurate. 

It sounds like you're going through the stage I went through when I first got mine(and the others before both of us).  I just kept thinking  "Wow, this is a really cool and accurate little air gun!" .  The first time went shooting with it, I just couldn't stop giggling every time I hit something that I wouldn't have thought I could with a cheap little pistol,lol!  Heck, being able to hit pill bottles at 50 yards was not on my list of expectations when I ordered one of these  

I'm curious to see what David(Rocker1) does with Peter's pistol.  I'm also very curious to see his thoughts on it when his shows up, because he just ordered one too, haha.

[Rocker1]

 Mr Donny  can you post a shot string, don't think the reg is working in peters gun starts around 650 and climbs to 780, I'm going to have to hide it so I can get some work done. And yes I have one on the way.  David

[anti-squirrel]

Mr Donny  can you post a shot string, don't think the reg is working in peters gun starts around 650 and climbs to 780, I'm going to have to hide it so I can get some work done. And yes I have one on the way.  David

David- I've found the first 6 or 7 shots act weird- almost like a typical knee-curve.  Like the reg is settling in.  Once it does, the string is pretty solid and it runs steady.  Though in retrospect, now that I think about it...  that is NOT what a reg should do.  I only shot it over my Caldwell once so I never bothered worrying cuz it shot well otherwise.  My Alpha Chrony always got Err 1 when I tried using it so I skipped the chrony testing.

I have read a few reports of the regulators acting up on them, though it was usually creeping, not a slight creep up and plateau.

EDIT: Alrighty, found the results of my shot string.  Not great, though I'm betting the regulator needs to be torn down and cleaned..  I only saved the results of the shot strings, not the actual values.  Not gonna do that again.
Silver Arrows shot at 546 FPS over 9 shots, ES of 32, SD of 11.3
JSBs Exact Heavies shot 635 over 10 shots, ES of 30, SD of 12.28
Skenco Newboys shot 620 over 10 shot, ES of 40, SD of 17
H&N Sniper Mags 7 shots, 563 over 11 shots, ES of 60, SD of 20.7

Numbers are not very good, but at 20 yards, the accuracy doesn't suffer.  If I was shooting at 30 or 40 yards, I'd definitely be seeing negative results.

[Cathartes]

Have you all seen this?

Looks like a rifle based on the same design! I would definitely buy that.

[anti-squirrel]

Have you all seen this?

Looks like a rifle based on the same design! I would definitely buy that.

Ditto.  I'll be emailing them just 'cuz.

[Rallyshark]

Mr Donny  can you post a shot string, don't think the reg is working in peters gun starts around 650 and climbs to 780, I'm going to have to hide it so I can get some work done. And yes I have one on the way.  David

Sorry for the late response.  By the time I get home from work, and do stuff around the house it tends to be 7-8pm...  I don't know if my shot strings will do you much good, since I've monkeyed with mine quite a bit.  If you really want a string from me, I can go inside and run one though.  I can tell you that it took some messing around to get mine to level, and a 150-200 shots before it really started to settle in.  The stack on the washers I'm running is:  (())(()((( , and I tightened down the "reg adjustment" screw a bit.  I didn't crank it super tight, but I did snug it down some.  I also slightly opened up the valve spring retainer, and the top side of the transfer block some.  I think all of that combined with my valve hole mods contribute to the reg working better.  That's just a hunch on my part.

I can also tell you it takes mine a couple of shots to settle on the string from a fresh fill, and I do fill it to 220bar which is what the S-A version says it is rated to.

[Ribbonstone]

HAve posted somthing like this before.

When I started with the .22 "Bugger" grip version, the regulator wasn't really working all that well.

Even I, who have an appreciuation of funtion over form, couldn't stand the "bugger" grips and painted them.   Might be better today, as AirMax does offer the black grips sperately (but I will say, in a world of plastic-friendly spray paint, you could make them any color you care for).

"Bugger grip":



Painted grip (and it still looks like this, soit wears well if you dn't warn any rings on your shooting hand):



Of coruse, being as it has easily twittled screw adjustments,. I twiddled the screws (both the hammer spting and the transfer port).

BY about shot 200-250, I had twiddled the screws up and back down to very slose to where the pistol started. Because it is regulated, held the "good" shots to those 2%.

So that was all "wasted" effort, adn I just ran around in a circle until the regulator broke in and started acting like a regulator.


Found this pistol does NOT care for tuning under 10.5 foot pounds or over 15 foot pounds, but between those two limts, can be relied on to manage a total of  500-520 foot pounds. Y

It's very dependable adjustments, noting  unexpected appening, once the regulator breaks in and starts acting like a regulaor.  You can have that in 50-52 shots (about 10 foot pounds per shot) or in about 32 shots  (about 16 foot pound shot).


All in all, I'd say to just shoot 5 or 6 fills while IGNORING the chronograph, then get serious about tuning it.

[Rallyshark]

HAve posted somthing like this before.

When I started with the .22 "Bugger" grip version, the regulator wasn't really working all that well.

Even I, who have an appreciuation of funtion over form, couldn't stand the "bugger" grips and painted them.   Might be better today, as AirMax does offer the black grips sperately (but I will say, in a world of plastic-friendly spray paint, you could make them any color you care for).

"Bugger grip":



Painted grip (and it still looks like this, soit wears well if you dn't warn any rings on your shooting hand):



Of coruse, being as it has easily twittled screw adjustments,. I twiddled the screws (both the hammer spting and the transfer port).

BY about shot 200-250, I had twiddled the screws up and back down to very slose to where the pistol started. Because it is regulated, held the "good" shots to those 2%.

So that was all "wasted" effort, adn I just ran around in a circle until the regulator broke in and started acting like a regulator.


Found this pistol does NOT care for tuning under 10.5 foot pounds or over 15 foot pounds, but between those two limts, can be relied on to manage a total of  500-520 foot pounds. Y

It's very dependable adjustments, noting  unexpected appening, once the regulator breaks in and starts acting like a regulaor.  You can have that in 50-52 shots (about 10 foot pounds per shot) or in about 32 shots  (about 16 foot pound shot).


All in all, I'd say to just shoot 5 or 6 fills while IGNORING the chronograph, then get serious about tuning it.

Yep, it took mine a bit to settle down as well, and your gun is the same version of Peter's gun too I think.  That is a nice string right there.  Thanks for posting that!  I'm not as useful when it comes to solid documentation    I may still run a string and post it if needed though. 

[anti-squirrel]

Good info throughout.  The day I spent a few weeks back where I refilled 14 times... I burned through a lot of pellets, made a lot of tiny holes, and generally had a blast.  I probably should've paid more attention, but at < 25 yards on the far targets, when you keep hitting aces, you keep on doing what you done.

Like Donny said, mine seems to take a few shots to settle in after a fill when measured over a chrono, but aiming at the wood blocks and ping pong balls, I and my friends still hit the targets, so it's qualitative, not quantitative. 

The information about a sweet-sport betwene 10 and 15 FPE is really handy, too.  I doubt 20 FPE is out-of-reach with tuning, a longer barrel, and some know-how.  But that's why you smart guys post your results

[Rocker1]

Have you all seen this?

Looks like a rifle based on the same design! I would definitely buy that.

 Jeez!!! I am going to quit reading this thread. David