Got my .177 Edge today.

[Mr. Panther]

     I got my .177 spring edge today. I almost died laughing when I took the scope out of the package it was in. It is a Chinese scope I have seen advertised for about $7-$9 on ht e internet. the eye piece was so small I couldn't hardly see out of it LOL. After I cleaned it up I placed it in a stock from my .25 edge that I had bedded and filled the hollows with silca sand to deaden the noise. A susual the first shot sounded like a .22 short, but after that it was fairly quiet. It grouped well for the 30 or so pellets I put through it, I'm sure it will do better after I get it broke in. The thing is a harsh shooter, but no twang, and is fairly easy to cock. As with all my Hatsans it is a bit crunchy at first but has gotten smoother in the few pellets I ran through it. I'm going to chop the front hood, and replace the front post with my own home made version that is thinner and gives a better sight picture. Couple things that did impress me, was with the sight set at factory set elevation and windage it hit perfectly at 10 meters, and the power this thing has. I'm sure it will be a learning curve and a labor of love to get it where I want it. For $63 I am happy.   

[SteveP-52]

Mine was an accurate little bugger shooting in the 930's before I tore it back apart to tinker more...lol.

And just in case you missed it, Field Supply is having an insane sale on refurbs if you happen to wanna complete the set and get the .22 since I already know you have the .25... just sayin...not to be like an enabler or anything....   

[Mr. Panther]

Yeah, same old story for me, these things come when I'm outta cash, or I'd jump on that 95 in .22....unless you want to be my secret Santa, LOL.

[SteveP-52]

If I had the cash, that 95 QE Vortex .22 would already be on it's way to mine...lol

[Mr. Panther]

Such a Scrooge, ha ha

[unionrdr]

I'm satisfied getting a $130-$160 Striker 1000x for $95.99 new. That .177 will have a bit more muzzle velocity. But the .22 should carry a bit more FPE to POI...A choice we all have to make sooner or later.

[Mr. Panther]

I have a .25, .20 and a .177 Hatsan/Webley. I want a .22 for the collection, but just waiting for a deal to happen when I have the extra moola. As far as choice, my .20 is my favorite and always has been a preferred caliber for me, but .177 and .22 are cheaper to shoot. That 95 is an excellent rifle, but I would take a Spector or Value Max if one came at an affordable price.

[SteveP-52]

I have all 3 Edges with the Vortex piston but only got the .177 as a rifle to tinker with and still do as I have 2 others, the Webley Tomahawk and Hatsan 87 QE that are are better rifles.
The Edge .25 is an all around lightweight yard rifle for lousy weather so I don't screw up one of the good ones and a hammer at 25 yards or less and the .22 and the Striker stock it sits in was last years Christmas present to myself..lol
One of these days when money's good and I find a good deal, I'll finish the set and get a Webley Valumax in .20 since Hatsan doesn't make the caliber.

[Mr. Panther]

The best deals I've found on them, (.20cal), is Amazon Steve. I love mine. "She" is all broke in now and is a laser and really puts out some good power. I really don't "need" the .22, I would just like to round out my "Turkey" guns.

[Mr. Panther]

Well thought I'd mount a scope on this gun. Just a cheap one to see if it was any thing I'd want to do. It shoots really good with open sights, but my eyes being old I wanted to see if it was viable to mount a scope on this rifle. Well, after modifying the mount hold down screw to fit in the holes in the reciever, and loctiteing every thing down I took it out. Scope, as cheap as it was, held up good, the mount slipped, and kept throwing off my elevation. I really riffed this thing down and set the screw solid in the hole, but the recoil from this Hatsan is horrific for a scope, and mounts. It tore the hole up the screw was in and moved the base back and scarred it up. I have never had a gun do that, LOL. I guess I am going the same route I did on my other "mule" guns that kick the scopes out, and get a peep sight to use or drill and  mount a weaver rail to the receiver. I just might get all innovative and adapt a Crosman Gas Ram or a less stouter spring in it. (I was thinking about a Maccarri spring if he had one to fit).
      It is .5" at 10 meters with open sights, and even better when I could get the scope to stay put for 3 rounds or more. But hey, it was a cheap gun so it is one I will see if I can tinker into either a gem or a door stop.So far it is accurate with cheapo pellets, I imagine it will be more consistant after about another 150 rounds, as my other Turkey guns took about 350 pellets to settle down and power up well. But this is the fun part of this hobby/addiction, tuning and tinkering. Come to think of it I have an old spring I took out of my Tac1 that was still good, maybe I'll swap that out.....maybe. 

[SteveP-52]

Most definitely need the included scope stop plate. I mounted mine using the front 2 holes, then the backside of the front scope ring against it and torqued it down, then loose fit the rear ring, got the scope set where I wanted it in the rings, then tightened everything. Scope never budged in about 400 shots and not a mark on the receiver when I took it off to put on the 2nd Tomahawk .22 I bought from another member.
Looks like this when you're done although the rifle in the pic is my Edge .22:

[Mr. Panther]

Yeah Steve I thought about that set up next before I do any thing else. Of course I have been thinking about dropping a coil or 2 in the spring and slowing it down a bit too. It shoots tight at the higher speed, but if I lower it a bit it should be even more accurate. I've been  thinking about tearing it down and dropping a coil an see if that helps, and just keep deleting some of the coil till its where about I want it. Shooting 650-700 with a 9+ grain pellet should give me a reasonable FPE and be accurate too. (I've got a youth Gamo that shoots about 500 and is a lot of fun, but is kinda short in the stock department).  I want to investigate a gas ram for it, the Edge,  if I can find the information for stroke I need. The adapters should be easy to make, and if I have to cut the shaft a bit and rechampher to achieve the stroke then I will. I'm guessing its not over a 100mm stroke. I figure I will tune it first, then see if it shoots the way I want before any big mods to it. It is so harsh right now it jars your teeth ha ha.
    I'm happy with the accuracy, and it's built like a tank, but needs some trigger work other than the screw fix to be better, and if I can smooth it out I will be really happy. Like I said before, for $64 I can't really complain about it. If a .22 comes up next month I will be forced to investigate that too, If not then my PCP fund will grow. ha ha 

[SteveP-52]

Dumb thought is leave it cocked for a day or 2 and see what happens, then if you still feel the need, cut off a coil or 2 and tune it up and it should turn into a nice shooter. 3 of my 4 are gas rams, the 4th is a .25 springer which at least to me doesn't kick real hard and actually shoots faster than my gas ram in the same caliber but it's also been tuned so that might make a little difference.
My .22 with the ram in it is just plain a nice shooter, but it's also in a soft bedded wood stock which does help lessen vibration and soften the recoil and chucks FTT's at 755.
Keep me posted on how things turn out, ya got me curious now...lol

[Yogi]

Get a solid one piece scope mount!

-Y

[Mr. Panther]

I tried that Yogi. It is just a real kicker. Steve I have it in a soft bed stock, it might calm down a bit after its all broke in, just have to see what happens. My VMX is a spring gun too and it smoothed out after about 500 rounds and is a "gentile giant" now. I might have to pick up another one of those one of these days, I LIKE my .20 cals. For what I paid for it I am going to use it for my test gun as far as Hatsans/Webleys go. Hopefully I will make it better LOL.

[SteveP-52]

If you can make a Crosman better, the Hatsans and Webleys are a piece of cake, easier and cost less to do...been there, done that

[Mr. Panther]

i saw a video on Youtube about detuning a Hatsan to the 12 fpe level of shooting. I am thinking of doing that. I will get a Crosman spring and give it a try. It should make it real managable then. I'd rather have something with less FPE that was accurate and didn't tire me out. It s all about shot placement if your shooting targets or game anyways. I've got the delrin to make the spacer for it , (Hatsan spring 42 coils, Crosman 35 ), so I can get the preload I need. The I.D. and O.D. are the same.

[Mr. Panther]

Update on spring in .177 Edge.....Well after trying a Crosman spring in my VMX .20 cal, I decided I liked it enough to try in my Edge. The only exception is I used the Hatsan spring, and cut it to 36 coils. I didn't put a spacer to increase pre-load, and it went together easier to say the least. I took it out to shoot it and it has less lick, isn't as hold sensitive with the edge stock either. It is giving me darn near same hole shots with open sights at 10 meters, and 2" under hold at 20-25 meters. At 50 meteres it is dead on as far as elevation goes and still give a good thwack when it hits. I only did a lube tune and deburr on it and didn't sleeve the piston,so there is a little bit of twang but not as bad as before. All in all it is shooting as I like it now, a good little plinker, 30 yard hunting rifle, just what I wanted.

[vangraff]

I was thinking about cutting of a few coils on my mod 88. I recently installed new 42 coil spring. Out of the box it had 49 coils and i cut it down to 46 and again to 41 and did not notice any power drop. It would still pierce 1inch cedar board. Not really sure how much can you go down without loosing power significantly. It gives me 1-2cm groups at 10m and I would really like hole on hole.

How is power now with 36 coils compared to 42 before?

[Mr. Panther]

Hi Josh, I can only tell you I percieve a little bit of a power drop, but that doesn't bother me too much. You lose about an inch and a half of preload when you do that so it is probably more than I can measure by just shooting. It seems to have good power still, as it still pushes the pellet at the same distance and elevation as before, and still busts through plywood. It is just easier for me to cock now and shoot better. To me IMO it is a much nicer rifle to shoot now.