Center point scope

[1coolcat]

I recently purchased a Benjamin trail NP XL 1500 and it came with a center point scope. This scope leaves alot to be desired.
 I didn't want to trash one of my good Leopold scopes on an air rifle so I was looking at the    Hawke Sport Optics Vantage SF 4-16x44 SF 1/2 Mil Dot 14161
 From what I have been reading  the Hawke scopes can handle the recoil with no problems from an air rifle.
Any one have this scope that could chime in.. thought, suggestions welcome
Thanks guys

[Roadworthy]

Hawke scopes (in my experience) are a good value and a well made scope.  I purchased a Hawke Sport for a Nitro Venom and it's held fine for three years.  It currently resides on a Diana.  The Sport line has been discontinued - I believe it is now the Vantage.  I was told although not specifically rated for an airgun it would hold up on all but a magnum but I don't believe magnum is defined.

I also have Sun scopes.  Their TAC line and Air A TAC lines are fully warranted like Hawke and the Air A TAC is made for airguns.  They will stand behind either.  I specifically asked before putting a TAC IV on my Diana 48.

I also have a Leapers UTG Accushot on my Diana 34.

There, that's three brands to check out.

[mobilehomer]

Robert, fyi, ALL Leupold scopes are airgun rated. The only drawback is parallax setting. You can send it to Leupold and they will set it for whatever distance you want.

[kbstingwing]

is scope breakage an issue with the NP's or is that just on magnum springers?

[Underdog]

Scope breakage can be a problem with any spring/nitro piston rifle.

[kbstingwing]

Scope breakage can be a problem with any spring/nitro piston rifle.

Good to know info...
thanks

[Roadworthy]

One additional feature steel springs have that gas strut guns lack - vibration.  If the fore and aft recoil don't kill your scope the vibration can finish it off.

[Underdog]

On spring piston rifles especially, scopes need to be "springer" rated, because the optics need to be braced for that "fore and aft" recoil mentioned above. Nitro pistons are probably a bit smoother than stock springers- which tend to be pretty harsh if not de-tuned. Not as problematic for scopes I would think is the.... I can't think of the right word.... torque generated by the spring untwisting. I would think that affects your shot placement more than the scope.

[Wildcatter]

I have a center point 3 x 9 x 32 scope that I mounted to my Gamo Bone Collector Bull Whisper in .177.  After about 120 shots, it's shaken the lt side mounted illuminated reticle knob right off the gun.  Ordering another scope; at least this centerpoint won't hack the hammering of this gun.

[Killo Coonadillo]

^I have had that same scope for about a year. Same thing happened to mine, the illum. assembly flew right off.
I locktited the 4 little screws that hold them in and that fixed that problem.
However, the turrets now don't move consistently when making adjustments...
Just my opinion, it is not a good scope, hopefully others have better results.

[Back_Roads]

 The trick to setting scopes like that into zero is a few taps with a small block of wood on the scope mount areas to get the clicks you predict it to take to  settle out , saves some chasing the bulls eye

[1coolcat]

The trick to setting scopes like that into zero is a few taps with a small block of wood on the scope mount areas to get the clicks you predict it to take to  settle out , saves some chasing the bulls eye

In my opinion if you need to tap an optic with a block of wood..that means it's junk from the beginning..it will never track correctly..
I have night force, Leopolds, and burris optics on all my center-fire rifles so maybe I'm spoiled. I don't want to spend a lot on a scope for my air rifle ..but I'm willing to pay around 200$ - 250$ for something that will work and hold up..I believe .I was also looking at the Hawke airmax..

What I want is an illuminated mil-dot retical, 4-12×40 mm.. side focus or AO, 1" tube ( just because I already have plenty of rings for 1" )..
I think the 50 mm. Objective look to big on the Benjamin trail rifle..so this is what I want..I don't need anything more then 12×'s power.. but want 12 because I'm getting older and my eyes not so good ..
The illuminated reticle would just be for cool factor..I can take it or leave it..but would rather have it..
I see mixed reviews on the Hawke scopes, but also read they stand behind there product..so if I get a lemon I can send it back for replacement or repair..like Leopold..
Thoughts , suggestions welcome

[Killo Coonadillo]

Not that I am any kind of authority on springer scopes and it appears so far your last reply has been overlooked for now, you might want to check out Vortex for low-mid level price.
I see a goodly number of PB folks really have a lot of praise for Vortex for this price range.
They seem to have top notch warranty also.
The thread right below this mentions it as well as others I've seen concerning the Vortex Diamondback.

I am sure others will come and offer suggestions so wait for them also.

[maraudinglizard]

Most of my air rifles and PB guns have the Centerpoint 4x16 40mm mildot AO IR, never had one blow apart yet. The G1 has the original crosman scope that came with the gun which is a centerpoint labled differently and still going strong 10 years later. My turkish made Daisy Powerline 1000 has 3x9 32mm on it and has survived that mule kicker. I don't like to spend over $100 for a scope, especially if there a chance of an accident and they do happen from time to time.  As for tapping on the scope, I do it to settle it in. I tap it with my fingers but most of the time the scope will settle on it's on. I've never had to send a centerpoint back yet. I have been using this brand of scope for over 10 years now.

[Killo Coonadillo]

Most of my air rifles and PB guns have the Centerpoint 4x16 40mm mildot AO IR,

Kris, are any of your Centerpoint 40mm AO the current model for sale @Walmart?
The reason I ask I notice some praise the older model while they don't seem to be very enthusiastic with the new one.

I have a good reason for asking since I have a thread asking about the current model specifically concerning using on springers. Do you have any on a NP?

[maraudinglizard]

Most of my air rifles and PB guns have the Centerpoint 4x16 40mm mildot AO IR,

Kris, are any of your Centerpoint 40mm AO the current model for sale @Walmart?
The reason I ask I notice some praise the older model while they don't seem to be very enthusiastic with the new one.

I have a good reason for asking since I have a thread asking about the current model specifically concerning using on springers. Do you have any on a NP?

Walmart has stop selling the mildot version. The new ones are TAGs, the reticle is different. Ebay is your best bet for the older models. You can still get the mildot version from china sellers, just have to find a seller with a 99 or better feed back and has sold several without complaints. A lot of times the used ones haven't been used because some people don't understand how use the mildots or the AO. I have one on a Nitro Venom .22 and never had it come apart yet.  That scope is 4 years old.

[Killo Coonadillo]

^Yes but you are using the older one which doesn't address concerning the current model(s) @Walmart.
I understand they may still be available but I don't do any business with ebay so my loss.
I tend to stay with major retailers or amazon.
Thanks for your time and reply.

[maraudinglizard]

^Yes but you are using the older one which doesn't address concerning the current model(s) @Walmart.
I understand they may still be available but I don't do any business with ebay so my loss.
I tend to stay with major retailers or amazon.
Thanks for your time and reply.

Your Welcome. The new ones that walmart probably will do fine with guns with the heavy recoil but the TAG reticle has sent me looking else where. Aim Sports is another scope company to look at, I have several of their scopes on pistols and rifles.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/3-9X40-AO-Rimfire-Airgun-10-22-Compact-Scope-P4-Sniper-Free-Shipping-/161956071851?hash=item25b55589ab:g:NK8AAOSwm8VUvrAc

[Wildcatter]

My cp is/was a 3 x 9 x 32 ir from Walmart.   The entire ir knob shook off.  Completely.  Scope still works and my boy doesn't like a lighted reticle,  so it's his now.  I went with a hammer scope with locking mount.

[1coolcat]

Well I ordered a Hawke scope from PA this weekend.. I have a Burris timberline on a 22 rifle of mine..it's a fantastic little scope AO, 14 power, crystal clear glass....I was going to buy one for my Benjamin trail but couldn't get ahold of anyone at Burris to if it would work on an air rifle so I ordered the Hawke scope..after I placed my order I was talking with Burris Tec. They told me all of there optic should be just fine on an air rifle. At Burris they test for recoil both directions so there optics can take the abuse..for what its worth that is what I was told.