...do I want to work my ^&* off to obtain a decent grouping everytime ... ?Must be doing something wrong or don't have quality springers. Certainly don't feel that I have to work hard to make hits with my springers.The PCP is the easiest gun to shoot... Point and shoot is all you have to do and at 40-50 yards you can easily have 0.1-0.5" groups. Don't think the 'average shooter' could consistently shoot groups that small, regardless of his airgun choice!!!!!!A springer doesn't need anything else than a shooter while a PCP needs a scooba tank or something to fill it and a shooter. Correct. Just need springer and pellets to shoot. No extra support equipment, powered compressor/hand pump or frequent trips to the dive/paintball shop.I have a Trail NP2 which is not one of the easiest to shoot ...Maybe this is the reason you have difficulty with barrel cockers?
So I'm just starting to get into airguns and want to upgrade to a new gun. IV been looking aroundand IV found a few guns that I like, the benjamin trail np not the np2, a rws 34, benjamin discovory . I like the idea of pcp they are supposed to be easier to shoot and more accurate but I comes with a price. I'm looking for something accurate to about 45-50 yards to use for plinking and small game hunting. I need something that is relativly quiet too so I dont wet of my neigboors id like to spend about 200-300 on everything. Trying to decide between the too any help is appreciated
That's what I was thinking pcp seems to be the way to go
You can run the Discovery on CO2 as well, in .22 gives more than enough power for pest control and also is quiter than HPA.
A Disco barrel can be bumped off target if handled roughly. Lotta the PB/hunter guys that I show PCPs to wanna just grab 'em by the barrel and kinda yank 'em around and lean 'em against the wall or the seat of the truck with the muzzle on the floorboard, like they do their .30-30 or 7mm Mag. The Disco barrel is not as beefy and firmly attached.
You know, it is funny how airguns have progressed, as well as air gunners. Maybe 5 years ago, it seemed a lot more common for guys to shoot springers, and a lot of guys were shooting them really well. Not just German girls, but mostly Gamo and misc. rebranded Chinese rifles.If you think you can't expect a Chicom, Turkish, or Spanish break barrel to shoot as good as a Disco, think again. A box stock Disco is probably about a 2" rifle at 50 yards with typical ammo on the store shelf. And a whole lot of springers will match or beat that, in the hands of a capable marksman and with some practice. When you prsctice to the point the rifle becomes an extension of yourself, you will be surprized what you can do with it.Add to that, tuning/tweaking a rifle and it's trigger, and you can put together something that will stack them all day long. Before I went all out trying to get more power from it, I stacked over 100 pellets into a single hole about 1.5" edge to edge from 30 yards with just a .22 cal X20S. This was after a good debur and lube, plus spring swap and break in, but those were very small investments. And I used the supplied scope! No, you are not gonna take it out of the box and do that, but time, practice, patience, and pellet testing can help you get there. And you don't have to spend a fortune to do it.
There are reasons to buy a good airgun instead of a rimfire or centerfire rifle. I lived for many hears in Washington State, where there are shooting ranges all over. I competed for years there, traveling around among about 8 shooting ranges within an hours drive. Then I moved to Hawaii. In Washington, I had a concealed weapons permit for over 40 hears, though I seldom carried. I could buy a rifle, or handgun, in about 5 minutes and walk out with it. Since I passed an FBI background check to get the carry permit, I was exempt from the background check for handguns. Then I moved to the big island of Hawaii. You have to take your firearms in to the police and register them. And, now, someone is trying to poass a law that states, you must take your firearms in every 5 years and "reknew" your registered guns. Shooting ranges? None. Well, there is an indoor range in Hilo. Don't think I want to shoot my 45-70 there. Want to buy a rifle? You have to go through a 3 night firearm safety course, and then apply for a permit to buy a rifle. The permit is good for a year. Want a handgun? It's harder to get than a rifle. Carry permit? Fill out the application, and you WILL be turned down. You will never get a permit in Hawaii. The chief of police must approve it, and the DO NOT do that. So, I said, the *(&^ with that. I shoot airguns on my acre, and I can enjoy myself doing that any day I want, and set it up in a few minutes. I have a super quiet CO2 rifle, and use that at night to kill rats. My neighbors know, and figure that's just fine to have less rats. Also, nobody hears me shoot at knight. Haven't fired a smokeless powder gun since we moved here. But, I shot my airguns 4-5 days this last week. So, it kind of depends on your state, state laws, and how friendly/unfriendly your state is to firearms and airguns.
Quote from: Bryan H. on February 16, 2016, 03:15:04 AMYou know, it is funny how airguns have progressed, as well as air gunners. Maybe 5 years ago, it seemed a lot more common for guys to shoot springers, and a lot of guys were shooting them really well. Not just German girls, but mostly Gamo and misc. rebranded Chinese rifles.If you think you can't expect a Chicom, Turkish, or Spanish break barrel to shoot as good as a Disco, think again. A box stock Disco is probably about a 2" rifle at 50 yards with typical ammo on the store shelf. And a whole lot of springers will match or beat that, in the hands of a capable marksman and with some practice. When you prsctice to the point the rifle becomes an extension of yourself, you will be surprized what you can do with it.Add to that, tuning/tweaking a rifle and it's trigger, and you can put together something that will stack them all day long. Before I went all out trying to get more power from it, I stacked over 100 pellets into a single hole about 1.5" edge to edge from 30 yards with just a .22 cal X20S. This was after a good debur and lube, plus spring swap and break in, but those were very small investments. And I used the supplied scope! No, you are not gonna take it out of the box and do that, but time, practice, patience, and pellet testing can help you get there. And you don't have to spend a fortune to do it. I know what your saying. We kinda over do it on the accuracy thing with springers. If your out hunting, your shooting off hand, using sticks or bracing your hand on a tree and I doubt the results typical max range 30 yard hunt would come out any different whether you have a pcp or a springer. You sit out back and pop cans out to 50 yards you don't need a PCP to do that. You start shooting pellet tins out at 100 yards and your gonna need good shooting springer and a lot of patience or a little practice with and a good shooting PCP. Shooting a PCP after shooting springers feels like cheating. Best way I can try and put the difference into perspective.
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