Author Topic: I want advice on a piston or springer for hunting. (Read 41621 times))

John Woodskills · « **Reply #140 on:** February 15, 2016, 04:29:38 PM »

I think I saw something in someone's post about needing 8mm brass washers to replace these washers anyway so the steel washers we ouldnt gald the barrel. I'll need to check my PMs.

Gump · « **Reply #141 on:** February 15, 2016, 05:10:01 PM »

Quote from: John Woodskills on February 15, 2016, 04:29:38 PM

I think I saw something in someone's post about needing 8mm brass washers to replace these washers anyway so the steel washers we ouldnt gald the barrel. I'll need to check my PMs.

Hatsan just emailed me, they will ship the washer. Guess what! it's a steel washer on one side and a plastic washer(the missing one) on the other. Your info maybe very good idea because the plastic one will wear out or break and the steel one is too rough. The exploded view is shown 2 different part number 453 (steel) and 454 (plastic).

SteveP-52 · « **Reply #142 on:** February 16, 2016, 02:15:23 AM »

If you want to replace those washers with brass ones, I don't see any reason why you can't and if you take one to your local hardware stores, you should be able to find a match for them. You're also going to want some moly paste to lube it all when you put it back together. Maybe check your local gun shops and see if they carry Air Venturi Moly paste or equivalent, something like 60% moly. The best is from ARH but you'd have to order it. I think it's something like $17 with shipping.
You don't need much, a little goes a long ways. If you do want to order some, here's what to get:

http://www.airrifleheadquarters.com/catalog/item/251484/42989.htm

John Woodskills · « **Reply #143 on:** February 16, 2016, 09:09:47 AM »

Thanks for the info.

I wish we had an airgun store here. The bass pro and Academy have some stuff but not enough.

Would you say airgunning is becoming more popular?

Gump · « **Reply #144 on:** February 16, 2016, 10:52:01 AM »

Quote from: John Woodskills on February 16, 2016, 09:09:47 AM

I wish we had an airgun store here. The bass pro and Academy have some stuff but not enough.

John, you can get the paste/grease/lube at Honda car or motorcycle place. It's being used on spline/drive/shaft. You can use some similar stuff in your garage then use moly later if you find it.

SteveP-52 · « **Reply #145 on:** February 16, 2016, 11:41:43 AM »

I'm looking at Gump's picture and remembering the Krytox lube is one that's popular and works well if you can find it locally. Amazon also has it.

Air gunning has gained quite a bit in large part to the skyrocketing cost of .22LR ammo. Pellets are way less expensive and for small game, head/heart shots with pellet rifles will take your pest just as easily as a rimfire .22 and quieter. Quieter was a big thing for me as I live inside the town limits and although I have a Savage 64f .22, it's not an option for eliminating the occasional unwanted pest.

John Woodskills · « **Reply #146 on:** February 16, 2016, 12:15:02 PM »

I'll be looking for one of those lubes.

I came back to the airgun by way of hard to find .22lr ammo myself. While I do live in the country on 2.5 acres I still would rather not shoot my centerfire fire arms where I live most of the time. I have a great backstop but still prefer not to.
That backstop will become my airgun range. I'm daydreaming of having multi targets and benches for my boys and myself.

SteveP-52 · « **Reply #147 on:** February 16, 2016, 01:34:55 PM »

You probably already have but look around the forum, you'll find all kinds of inexpensive, easy to make targets, holders, benches, roller rifle rests and everything else you could want.

Methuselah · « **Reply #148 on:** February 16, 2016, 02:38:31 PM »

Quote from: Gump on February 15, 2016, 05:10:01 PM

Quote from: John Woodskills on February 15, 2016, 04:29:38 PM
I think I saw something in someone's post about needing 8mm brass washers to replace these washers anyway so the steel washers we ouldnt gald the barrel. I'll need to check my PMs.
Hatsan just emailed me, they will ship the washer. Guess what! it's a steel washer on one side and a plastic washer(the missing one) on the other. Your info maybe very good idea because the plastic one will wear out or break and the steel one is too rough. The exploded view is shown 2 different part number 453 (steel) and 454 (plastic).

Gump, the small pin that keeps the barrel locking pin retained ("locking tab pin" #529) can be seen from both sides if both side-washers are out. If you don't see it on both sides then your thick plastic washer is still on the breach block...

John, I think the mention of an 8mm brass washer is Crosman related, not Hatsan. Hatsan's are built better in at least that regard

John Woodskills · « **Reply #149 on:** February 16, 2016, 03:00:18 PM »

I couldnt find the post I thought I read it in.

Thanks.

Methuselah · « **Reply #150 on:** February 16, 2016, 03:21:43 PM »

Quote from: John Woodskills on February 16, 2016, 03:00:18 PM

I couldnt find the post I thought I read it in.

Thanks.

Well John, you are buying a Hatsan and reading threads on rebuilding everything - I think that is very smart as the good ideas are not limited to a particular brand! If you're worried about getting a good one or being able to work on it, I suspect you have nothing to worry about, and that you will do just fine

John Woodskills · « **Reply #151 on:** February 16, 2016, 04:26:09 PM »

Thanks

seitg74 · « **Reply #152 on:** February 16, 2016, 05:24:53 PM »

I broke down my Striker 1000s in .25 to put a new piston seal, lube it with moly and heavy tar. Had a lot of twang and super loud in my ear. Filled the stock with silicone and its still loud. But any way. I don't think I ever want to tear down a Hatsan springer again. Nightmare! Lots of preload on the spring. I made a compressor but the end cap is such an odd ball shape it was almost impossible to keep the head of the compressor on it. Unless there is some sort of attachment to use that I don't know about? Any other gun I did was waaay easier! Good luck with that mess. Lots of swearing, sweating, and cut up knuckles/fingers!

John Woodskills · « **Reply #153 on:** February 16, 2016, 06:19:16 PM »

John Woodskills · « **Reply #154 on:** February 16, 2016, 06:26:48 PM »

Quote from: scp52 on February 16, 2016, 01:34:55 PM

You probably already have but look around the forum, you'll find all kinds of inexpensive, easy to make targets, holders, benches, roller rifle rests and everything else you could want.

Actually I haven't yet. But looks like I'll be doing so soon.

Gump · « **Reply #155 on:** February 16, 2016, 11:49:16 PM »

Quote from: Methuselah on February 16, 2016, 02:38:31 PM

Gump, the small pin that keeps the barrel locking pin retained ("locking tab pin" #529) can be seen from both sides if both side-washers are out. If you don't see it on both sides then your thick plastic washer is still on the breach block...

John, I think the mention of an 8mm brass washer is Crosman related, not Hatsan. Hatsan's are built better in at least that regard

Next time when I receive the washer to put it on, I'll check out the 529 pin how it's located to see those washers. Hatsan's design may not be that bad if it's properly build per design specs. It's quality control problem. It could be just my (bad) luck. I prefer a hard blue steel washer like a spring washer between a motor armature and bushing or bearing.

Methuselah · « **Reply #156 on:** February 17, 2016, 01:43:48 PM »

Quote from: seitg74 on February 16, 2016, 05:24:53 PM

I broke down my Striker 1000s in .25 to put a new piston seal, lube it with moly and heavy tar. Had a lot of twang and super loud in my ear. Filled the stock with silicone and its still loud. But any way. I don't think I ever want to tear down a Hatsan springer again. Nightmare! Lots of preload on the spring. I made a compressor but the end cap is such an odd ball shape it was almost impossible to keep the head of the compressor on it. Unless there is some sort of attachment to use that I don't know about? Any other gun I did was waaay easier! Good luck with that mess. Lots of swearing, sweating, and cut up knuckles/fingers!

I took wood stick (closest thing I found on Lowe's sight was a "Wood Pine Fence Picket") and chopped off a slice, then stuck it in a vise and cut away at it with a HFS hobby mill, but I would imagine any 1-by could be carved up with a jig saw, coping saw, etc. until it fits well enough to keep from sliding.

Basically stole the idea just doing searches for spring compressors to see what others had come up with. Camera connection is on the fritz, will post if I figure out how...

SteveP-52 · « **Reply #157 on:** February 17, 2016, 01:56:43 PM »

Just used a small block of 1/2 inch plywood maybe 1 inch wide by 3 long....slid in between the compressor head and the cap. No sliding issues and everything slid right back in the receiver.

Privateer · « **Reply #158 on:** February 18, 2016, 03:28:59 PM »

Quote from: mobilehomer on February 08, 2016, 08:03:36 PM

Gump, the NP2 piston is indeed $8.00, per Crosman CS, but it only fits the NP2. From others that have ordered one, I think the NP, or XL piston is around $40.00 from Crosman.

Just checked prices. The NP2 and the NPXL pistons are $26 each and then a $4.00 shipping charge.
So $30 shipped. Order 5? Still $4 shipping for all 5.

Gump · « **Reply #159 on:** February 18, 2016, 04:04:50 PM »

Quote from: Jeff aka Privateer on February 18, 2016, 03:28:59 PM

Quote from: mobilehomer on February 08, 2016, 08:03:36 PM
Gump, the NP2 piston is indeed $8.00, per Crosman CS, but it only fits the NP2. From others that have ordered one, I think the NP, or XL piston is around $40.00 from Crosman.

Just checked prices. The NP2 and the NPXL pistons are $26 each and then a $4.00 shipping charge.
So $30 shipped. Order 5? Still $4 shipping for all 5.

I will note that down, not $8 (maybe it's $8 plus $22 shipping). Thank you for an update.

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