I want advice on a piston or springer for hunting.

[SteveP-52]

I actually have the same rifle in both versions: the Hatsan Edge .25 in spring and Vortex piston. The springer was actually a mistake on my part. I never read the whole description and thought I was getting a Vortex in the Harvest Moon camo stock. No such luck, that stock only comes on the spring versions. I also now pay wayyy more attention to the descriptions.
I also don't mind one bit having the spring version, plus I can compare them:
-In power, over the chrony with JSB 25.39gr pellets, there's only a  7fps difference in the 2 rifles. The Vortex spits them at 569 (also the same fps as my Mod 95), the    springer spits them at 562fps. I have other pellets to try but those so far are the most accurate for me.
-The Vortex does cock smoother and has a bit smoother shot cycle. I took care of that in the springer, it's been taken down and lubed better, a better tune is planned.
-Both are a bit on the noisy side but part of that is the hollow synthetic stock. Easily fixed in any number of ways without adding more than a couple ounces, I have one way posted in the Turkish Gate.
-They both have the same trigger, which is a Gamo clone and easily tweaked with a .25 cent screw from your local hardware store and makes the 2nd stage smoother. There's also a post in the Turkish Gate about it and other things if someone wants to tweak even more.
Will the spring fail? Probably. Will the gas ram fail? Probably. But for $99.99 when they're on sale, you're getting an inexpensive, hard hitting, accurate, lightweight rifle, that with a couple tweaks gets better and you have a nice shooter to use while you start saving for the better one you still have in the back of your mind (don't we all?)down the road.

[John Woodskills]

I did it!
I ordered my first break over airgun. I went with an economy model for now and got the Hatsan Edge Vortex in .22
I really wanted a .25 but considered access to ammo and a few other things and went with the .22
It hopefully will be here by next Friday from pyramid air.
This has been fun and I thank everyone who's taken time and helped me.
I'll be posting in the Turkish Gate after it gets here and I can give it a workout. 

This is a great forum.

[39M]

GET YOUR POPCORN!!

err...I mean pellets.

[Old Corps]

Great pick John! Just clean the bore first and check/tighten up the stock screws and enjoy. Hard to beat for the $$$. When you want to improve the trigger check back. It can go from being an acceptable trigger to a VERY good one with the purchase of a couple screws and a bit of your time. LOVE my 2 Edges and my Webley (same rifle, different stock).

Ed

[John Woodskills]

GET YOUR POPCORN!!

err...I mean pellets.

Lol!
Got a variety. About 1000 rds coming.  Building a target frame on my hill to staple targets to.
Family time!

[Sfttailrdr46]

GET YOUR POPCORN!!

err...I mean pellets.

Lol!
Got a variety. About 1000 rds coming.  Building a target frame on my hill to staple targets to.
Family time!

The .22 is a good all around choice and when you are ready for an under lever talk to Mike at Flying Dragons the XS46U sems to please everyone that buys one or if you want to move up the food chain there are plenty of fine rifles available for under $400

[John Woodskills]

Great pick John! Just clean the bore first and check/tighten up the stock screws and enjoy. Hard to beat for the $$$. When you want to improve the trigger check back. It can go from being an acceptable trigger to a VERY good one with the purchase of a couple screws and a bit of your time. LOVE my 2 Edges and my Webley (same rifle, different stock).

Ed

How long should I wait to start moding?  I see a 30 day return policy. Do they usually come with a factory warranty too?
I most definitely will be doing a trigger job and eventually get a better scope.

[John Woodskills]

[/quote]The .22 is a good all around choice and when you are ready for an under lever talk to Mike at Flying Dragons the XS46U sems to please everyone that buys one or if you want to move up the food chain there are plenty of fine rifles available for under $400
[/quote]
I only saw my 1st under lever yesterday in a video. I assume they have better accuracy possibilities.

[seitg74]

My first springer Edge went bad fast and blew a piston seal.  The replacement is a great shooter, very accurate, and shooting Crosman hollow points at or close to 800 fps.  Only mod I thought it needed was the wood stock I put on it.  Personally don't think the trigger is bad and you get used to it.  So you haven't been spoiled by German triggers yet either, it shouldn't be an issue.  Just luck of the draw getting a good one and breaking it in. 

[John Woodskills]

My first springer Edge went bad fast and blew a piston seal.  The replacement is a great shooter, very accurate, and shooting Crosman hollow points at or close to 800 fps.  Only mod I thought it needed was the wood stock I put on it.  Personally don't think the trigger is bad and you get used to it.  So you haven't been spoiled by German triggers yet either, it shouldn't be an issue.  Just luck of the draw getting a good one and breaking it in.

Hmm. I'm used to 2 stage milsurp rifle triggers. So should that be close enough?

[Gump]

I did it!
I ordered my first break over airgun. I went with an economy model for now and got the Hatsan Edge Vortex in .22

John, congratulation!!!
I got mine today. I cleaned wherever I could with a stock removed, included inside the barrel. There was not much oil on it, like what I have read. On first cocking, I heard some plastic rubbing noise where the barrel is about 45 degree. So I moved it back and forth around that. It surely made noise like opening my old car's hatchback. I went ahead cock it all the way and fired a first shot without a scope. I hit a center of 2x4 stud end laying on the ground about 12 yards away, maybe not dead center but about 0.25. I was not counting that accuracy because I used a cheap Daisy pointed pellet for break-in purpose. Every wally or academy that I shopped, were out of stock for crosman php .22. Anyhow, I paid more attention to noise testing, my iphone(next to me) detected 76 db. It sounded to be louder than that. I noticed some puff smoke came out the barrel, no smelling, just small amount but noticeable. It must be dieseling. The trigger, to me, it's not critical nor rough. Tomorrow, I will do more cleaning and check out the rubbing sound closely.

[SteveP-52]

PA gives you a 30 return policy, Hatsan gives you a 1 year warranty. Not a clue what the trigger is you mentioned, but I'd say just clean it, double check the stock screws and shoot it just the way it is for awhile. You might find you don't mind the trigger the way it is, but you'll never know until you shoot it for awhile. I'd also recommend not mounting the included scope until you've put a 100 rounds or so through it which would also be a good time to double check the stock screws...which is one of the mantras of the air gunner...."Check your stock screws"...
Enjoy the new rifle and keep us posted

[John Woodskills]

I did it!
I ordered my first break over airgun. I went with an economy model for now and got the Hatsan Edge Vortex in .22

John, congratulation!!!
I got mine today. I cleaned wherever I could with a stock removed, included inside the barrel. There was not much oil on it, like what I have read. On first cocking, I heard some plastic rubbing noise where the barrel is about 45 degree. So I moved it back and forth around that. It surely made noise like opening my old car's hatchback. I went ahead cock it all the way and fired a first shot without a scope. I hit a center of 2x4 stud end laying on the ground about 12 yards away, maybe not dead center but about 0.25. I was not counting that accuracy because I used a cheap Daisy pointed pellet for break-in purpose. Every wally or academy that I shopped, were out of stock for crosman php .22. Anyhow, I paid more attention to noise testing, my iphone(next to me) detected 76 db. It sounded to be louder than that. I noticed some puff smoke came out the barrel, no smelling, just small amount but noticeable. It must be dieseling. The trigger, to me, it's not critical nor rough. Tomorrow, I will do more cleaning and check out the rubbing sound closely.

Thats good to know. How many days did it take? I couldn't get the $99 price the other day. I had to wait since I put my $into a furnace repair.
Keep me updated.

[John Woodskills]

PA gives you a 30 return policy, Hatsan gives you a 1 year warranty. Not a clue what the trigger is you mentioned, but I'd say just clean it, double check the stock screws and shoot it just the way it is for awhile. You might find you don't mind the trigger the way it is, but you'll never know until you shoot it for awhile. I'd also recommend not mounting the included scope until you've put a 100 rounds or so through it which would also be a good time to double check the stock screws...which is one of the mantras of the air gunner...."Check your stock screws"...
Enjoy the new rifle and keep us posted

Should I get some red locktight? Probably void the warranty.
I'll be checking to see if I've got a screw loose. 
I'm really looking forward to this. 

[SteveP-52]

Blue loctite, not red and it doesn't affect the warranty if you use it. Most times you'll find a little on them anyway when you take them out. And Gump just made me remember what's been nagging the back of my mind. Takes awhile for them to get to the US being they're made in Turkey and Hatsan puts a light coating of oil on the metal parts to protect them. Only takes a clean cloth to wipe them down.
They also really aren't that loud and most of what you hear is piston recoil made a little louder by the hollow stock, which can be lessened by filling it and there's any number of ways you can do it, several are posted in the Turkish Gate.
Here's one way, you don't have to use silicone, just cut the foam bigger so it fits tighter.

http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=103077.0

[anuthabubba]

Yeah, use removable thread locker!

[Gump]

... How many days did it take? I couldn't get the $99 price the other day. I had to wait since I put my $into a furnace repair.

About 3 days from OH to TX. I ordered Tue afternoon so it's shipped on Wed and delivered Fri.
My furnace went out Jan last year:-(. I installed it myself and paid a licensed A/C contractor to inspect and approve. It's low end grade Rheem, nothing fancy feature for my low budget. There's no problem so far (knock on wood).

[Gump]

Keep me updated.

John, I found some problem that you may want to check when you get yours. When I cocked the barrel, there was some metal rubbing on a breech and a receiver at the pivot. I marked the bolt with a yellow highlight(for re-install purpose) and removed. One side-washer was missing. I called PA, the rep told me to call Hatsan. I called Hatsan, there was no rep, only a message to fill-out a form online.

This side-washer is thin and has cup edge to fit a groove. There is not available at local hardware store. PA doesn't have this part. It must be from Hatsan.
It's not good that I got a new rifle and can not shoot because I don't want to damage it for a long term keep. Still waiting to hear from Hatsan. Some people may say it's ok without a washer but I prefer it the right way how it's designed and supposed to be.

[John Woodskills]

Keep me updated.

John, I found some problem that you may want to check when you get yours. When I cocked the barrel, there was some metal rubbing on a breech and a receiver at the pivot. I marked the bolt with a yellow highlight(for re-install purpose) and removed. One side-washer was missing. I called PA, the rep told me to call Hatsan. I called Hatsan, there was no rep, only a message to fill-out a form online.

This side-washer is thin and has cup edge to fit a groove. There is not available at local hardware store. PA doesn't have this part. It must be from Hatsan.
It's not good that I got a new rifle and can not shoot because I don't want to damage it for a long term keep. Still waiting to hear from Hatsan. Some people may say it's ok without a washer but I prefer it the right way how it's designed and supposed to be.

Will do. That doesn't make me feel all that confident.

I did get a notice saying it was shipped this morning.  We should be seeing it Thursday I do believe.
Was Hatsan off today due to the holiday?

[Gump]

Will do. That doesn't make me feel all that confident.

I did get a notice saying it was shipped this morning.  We should be seeing it Thursday I do believe.
Was Hatsan off today due to the holiday?

Sorry about loosing your confident but it's hidden. You won't know until it grinds each other over the time and damage by a warranty ended. I doubt about a holiday, especially for non government place.