I want advice on a piston or springer for hunting.

[SteveP-52]

Refurbished scopes I honestly don't know about, I bought all mine new. The AO feature for air rifle shooting is very handy as it lets you adjust for different distances when shooting and the distances are marked on that front AO bell.
 My Hawkes all focus from a little under 10 yards to infinity. I normally shoot at 30 yards or less and with the magnification on 6 and the AO at the 30 yard set, I can read the wording on my targets. They also have a 2-7x32 AO version you might take a look at which is right about $90. I have 2 and they work great for my 30 yards or less.
I've also seen quite a few posts from members that said they got a real nice Centerpoint scope at Walmart for something like $70 and they were having real good luck with them, I just don't remember the size they said they got. Maybe this one but don't quote me on it:

http://www.walmart.com/ip/CENTERPOINT-4-16x40mm-w-ILLUMINATED-TAG-RETICLE/45848946

[Hoosier Daddy]

OK... I made it the top of page 4 and need to do some research but don't want to loose this awesome thread. Going to use my classic search phrase to make it easy to find later.
Posting for future reference.

[Gump]

... they were having real good luck with them...

I feel like a deer looking at a headlight. Is that a hint? as you know how my luck went so far LOL. It is what I was looking for, the combo is ok for me right now. I think I should save up for the Hawke 4-12x40 AO (there may be on sale later). or what ya think about this Bushnell 4-12x40 AO for $95? thank you for your suggestion.

[Old Corps]

Gump-I personally wouldn't get that Centerpoint although I'm very happy with the four I own--two 3-9X40 AO and two 4-16X40AO IR. The reason? They changed 'em to "TAG" reticle instead of mil-dots for some dumb reason. This Hammers scope appears to be the exact same scope as Centerpoint offered previously.
Very good dependable scope at a fair price. Good luck with your decision.

Ed

[SteveP-52]

I really was guessing on the Centerpoint and all I could remember was some posts saying guys got them at Walmart around $70, they were pretty good scopes and they seemed to hold up well on air guns.
Ed's suggestion is a very good one (and I dislike when I hafta agree with him, although I don't on those 2 inch mounts...lol) as you'll get some extra magnification with the 4-16, you'll get a mil dot scope, you'll save some money, plus it comes with the scope rings which Hawke scopes don't. If you buy a Hawke scope, you'll have to buy the rings or 1 piece base mount for it separately.

[Gump]

Thank you all for your input.

[Old Corps]

Thank you all for your input.

Yer very welcome Gump (Gumper, Gumpy? ). Just a word to the wise. Be VERY careful when taking advice from Steve, he's on a mission to spend all yer $$$--"hey, you only live once" let'r rip and buy buy BUY! Next thing ya know your house is full of airguns and you're in the welfare line!  Very devious character!

Ed

[Gump]

Thank you all for your input.

Yer very welcome Gump (Gumper, Gumpy? ). Just a word to the wise. Be VERY careful when taking advice from Steve, he's on a mission to spend all yer $$$--"hey, you only live once" let'r rip and buy buy BUY! Next thing ya know your house is full of airguns and you're in the welfare line!  Very devious character!

Ed

I hear ya LOL. He teases me a little higher with a carrot(Hawke 4-12x40 AO). BTW, I see this Hammer with one piece mount per Steve's recommendation   but less magnification and illuminated(not important)
What's ya opinion on it vs. the last suggestion 4-16x40?

There is some not recommend a low end scope with 4 times range magnification as this one (like 3-12, 4-16, 6-24), only recommend 3 times range like 3-9, 4-12... what ya think?

If I decide to get the Hawke and use the current optima rings, would it be ok? or new ring?

[Sfttailrdr46]

  Actually we are all only too happy to encourage to buy new AG's in the hope that after we read a member review we really don't want that AG but think it is really cool  Only kidding we all try to help one another spend our hard earned money and help to hide the addiction from our collective spouses 

[Gump]

Actually we are all only too happy to encourage to buy new AG's in the hope that after we read a member review we really don't want that AG but think it is really cool  Only kidding we all try to help one another spend our hard earned money and help to hide the addiction from our collective spouses 

Is that a carrot you're holding? I need a scope to see up close
I am appreciate all members helping out.

[Old Corps]

Thank you all for your input.

Yer very welcome Gump (Gumper, Gumpy? ). Just a word to the wise. Be VERY careful when taking advice from Steve, he's on a mission to spend all yer $$$--"hey, you only live once" let'r rip and buy buy BUY! Next thing ya know your house is full of airguns and you're in the welfare line!  Very devious character!

Ed

I hear ya LOL. He teases me a little higher with a carrot(Hawke 4-12x40 AO). BTW, I see this Hammer with one piece mount per Steve's recommendation   but less magnification and illuminated(not important)
What's ya opinion on it vs. the last suggestion 4-16x40?

There is some not recommend a low end scope with 4 times range magnification as this one (like 3-12, 4-16, 6-24), only recommend 3 times range like 3-9, 4-12... what ya think?

If I decide to get the Hawke and use the current optima rings, would it be ok? or new ring?

To be clear, I've never had a Hammers scope but overall they seem to get good feedback for budget scopes. I gave you the link to the 4-16X40 because it appears to be the same scope that CP dropped & that was a good 'un. I would think the 4-12X40 would probably be fine but for the relatively small difference in $$$ I'd go with the 4-16. JMHO One thing to keep in mind if this is going on a Hatsan (can't recall what rifle you have)--to get proper eye relief you need to have either 2 piece rings and move the scope stop up to the front holes putting the front ring in front of it OR get the UTG offset one piece OR go with the 2" offset Hawke rings. I personally wouldn't use those Optima rings but it wouldn't hurt anything to try them. Hope this doesn't getcha more confused.

Ed

[Old Corps]

Actually we are all only too happy to encourage to buy new AG's in the hope that after we read a member review we really don't want that AG but think it is really cool  Only kidding we all try to help one another spend our hard earned money and help to hide the addiction from our collective spouses 

+1!!! I try my best to order so that delivery will be made when my dear wife will be elsewhere........

Ed

[Sfttailrdr46]

Actually we are all only too happy to encourage to buy new AG's in the hope that after we read a member review we really don't want that AG but think it is really cool  Only kidding we all try to help one another spend our hard earned money and help to hide the addiction from our collective spouses 

+1!!! I try my best to order so that delivery will be made when my dear wife will be elsewhere........

Ed

my older step son puts my AG stuff in the man cave before the wife gets home from work 

[SteveP-52]

Thank you all for your input.

Yer very welcome Gump (Gumper, Gumpy? ). Just a word to the wise. Be VERY careful when taking advice from Steve, he's on a mission to spend all yer $$$--"hey, you only live once" let'r rip and buy buy BUY! Next thing ya know your house is full of airguns and you're in the welfare line!  Very devious character!

Ed

First thanks for the laugh. Your house was half full of airguns before I joined the forum and as I recall, you bought your first Edge because I bought my Spector and you said you thought it was only fair that you try one of mine because I tried one of yours.
You bought the 2nd Edge because you liked that first one so much.
The Webley Tomahawk is the only one I said break the bank and buy....that rifle is as accurate as my HW95 and was half the price.
There's NO way yer blamin' me for that new NP2, I don't even own one and have never mentioned them....LMBO

Gump, I shoot pretty much the same distances as you do and once in awhile out to 40-60 yards and the bulk of my scopes are all 3-9x40 AO mil dot and for me have worked great for all my shooting whether it's targets or the occasional pest so anything 3-9, 4-12 or 4-16 should work great for the shooting you do.
If I poke around in the mess of stuff I have here, I know I have a couple of the UTG offset mounts just sitting. If you're interested, PM me your address and I'll send you one. Will save you $18 and you can put that towards whatever scope you finally decide to get, whether it ends up being a Hawke , Hammers or something else.
Let me know

[Methuselah]

Thank you all for your input.

Yer very welcome Gump (Gumper, Gumpy? ). Just a word to the wise. Be VERY careful when taking advice from Steve, he's on a mission to spend all yer $$$--"hey, you only live once" let'r rip and buy buy BUY! Next thing ya know your house is full of airguns and you're in the welfare line!  Very devious character!

Ed

I hear ya LOL. He teases me a little higher with a carrot(Hawke 4-12x40 AO). BTW, I see this Hammer with one piece mount per Steve's recommendation   but less magnification and illuminated(not important)
What's ya opinion on it vs. the last suggestion 4-16x40?

There is some not recommend a low end scope with 4 times range magnification as this one (like 3-12, 4-16, 6-24), only recommend 3 times range like 3-9, 4-12... what ya think?

If I decide to get the Hawke and use the current optima rings, would it be ok? or new ring?

You asked some really good questions 

General rule of thumb is a 3X magnification mechanism is easier for the manufacturer to make reliable and of higher quality than a 4X mechanism.  But individual item quality can vary so widely that you might see a 4X mechanism doing better than a 3X mech.  I'm new to using scopes so I'd be the last person in the world to ask but that is my take on what seems to be the consensus.

As far as 3X or 4X low end, and 9X, 12X, (16X and 24X), depends on what you intend to aim at.  AO or side focus can be important to weigh in on based upon your answer(s) as well.

As for me, at 10 - 15 yards I find any more than 5X too much trouble to acquire the target quickly.  3X to 4X at that range is good enough if I'm not trying to thread under a 1/2" shot window at that range.  At 20 to 25 yards, I want 5X to 9X (using a 3X9 mostly).  I said want, but if the target is hard to discern I'd change that word to need, and it would be 9X.  But at 9X it is the same as over 5X at 10 yards, difficult to acquire quickly.  That's a gray area as far as trying to be thorough in answering your question though, since I think someone else might be able to make use of higher than 9X at 20 yards and still be able to quickly acquire a target if they had to, I just couldn't do it with any regularity.  Maybe you could - and if so, at that range I'd say up to 12X could be handy.

Now, for stationary targets, again, range and intended target.  But generally, if wanting precision and have some support (bench or otherwise), higher power then comes in handy rather than being a determent.  Still, I would consider the mentioned 6 - 24X too much scope for most applications.  Not just the more magnification the harder it is to steady it, but you might miss the lower range below 6X...

There have been many discussions on the forum gates about recommending a scope where these considerations and others came up, maybe do a search if I didn't get close to a decent answer?

HTH

[Gump]

If I poke around in the mess of stuff I have here, I know I have a couple of the UTG offset mounts just sitting. If you're interested, PM me your address and I'll send you one.

SawEEEET! I don't care what othEdr say about you , I'll pm ya

[Gump]

... maybe do a search if I didn't get close to a decent answer?

Thank you, the answer is pretty much cover my puzzles.

[Old Corps]

Thank you all for your input.

Yer very welcome Gump (Gumper, Gumpy? ). Just a word to the wise. Be VERY careful when taking advice from Steve, he's on a mission to spend all yer $$$--"hey, you only live once" let'r rip and buy buy BUY! Next thing ya know your house is full of airguns and you're in the welfare line!  Very devious character!

Ed

First thanks for the laugh. Your house was half full of airguns before I joined the forum and as I recall, you bought your first Edge because I bought my Spector and you said you thought it was only fair that you try one of mine because I tried one of yours.
You bought the 2nd Edge because you liked that first one so much.
The Webley Tomahawk is the only one I said break the bank and buy....that rifle is as accurate as my HW95 and was half the price.
There's NO way yer blamin' me for that new NP2, I don't even own one and have never mentioned them....LMBO

Gump, I shoot pretty much the same distances as you do and once in awhile out to 40-60 yards and the bulk of my scopes are all 3-9x40 AO mil dot and for me have worked great for all my shooting whether it's targets or the occasional pest so anything 3-9, 4-12 or 4-16 should work great for the shooting you do.
If I poke around in the mess of stuff I have here, I know I have a couple of the UTG offset mounts just sitting. If you're interested, PM me your address and I'll send you one. Will save you $18 and you can put that towards whatever scope you finally decide to get, whether it ends up being a Hawke , Hammers or something else.
Let me know

VERY funny stuff, double LMBO!!!  You really oughta send Gumper those inferior 1" offset Hawke rings so you can get a set of the PROPER 2" offsets!

Ed

[SteveP-52]

Thank you all for your input.

Yer very welcome Gump (Gumper, Gumpy? ). Just a word to the wise. Be VERY careful when taking advice from Steve, he's on a mission to spend all yer $$$--"hey, you only live once" let'r rip and buy buy BUY! Next thing ya know your house is full of airguns and you're in the welfare line!  Very devious character!

Ed

First thanks for the laugh. Your house was half full of airguns before I joined the forum and as I recall, you bought your first Edge because I bought my Spector and you said you thought it was only fair that you try one of mine because I tried one of yours.
You bought the 2nd Edge because you liked that first one so much.
The Webley Tomahawk is the only one I said break the bank and buy....that rifle is as accurate as my HW95 and was half the price.
There's NO way yer blamin' me for that new NP2, I don't even own one and have never mentioned them....LMBO

Gump, I shoot pretty much the same distances as you do and once in awhile out to 40-60 yards and the bulk of my scopes are all 3-9x40 AO mil dot and for me have worked great for all my shooting whether it's targets or the occasional pest so anything 3-9, 4-12 or 4-16 should work great for the shooting you do.
If I poke around in the mess of stuff I have here, I know I have a couple of the UTG offset mounts just sitting. If you're interested, PM me your address and I'll send you one. Will save you $18 and you can put that towards whatever scope you finally decide to get, whether it ends up being a Hawke , Hammers or something else.
Let me know

VERY funny stuff, double LMBO!!!  You really oughta send Gumper those inferior 1" offset Hawke rings so you can get a set of the PROPER 2" offsets!

Ed

Try a set before you trash them oh wise and ancient one    I actually have a set here I bought for a Ruger 10/22 I ended up never buying (I got the XS25 instead) but they're weaver mount, not dovetail and I don't happen to have a weaver rail for them at the moment or I actually would have.
Been looking for one like my Umarex Fuel has but so far no luck. I even tried Umarex and got told they're actually part of the receiver and not made to be removed without possibly damaging the rifle so the search continues.

[Old Corps]

Thank you all for your input.

Yer very welcome Gump (Gumper, Gumpy? ). Just a word to the wise. Be VERY careful when taking advice from Steve, he's on a mission to spend all yer $$$--"hey, you only live once" let'r rip and buy buy BUY! Next thing ya know your house is full of airguns and you're in the welfare line!  Very devious character!

Ed

First thanks for the laugh. Your house was half full of airguns before I joined the forum and as I recall, you bought your first Edge because I bought my Spector and you said you thought it was only fair that you try one of mine because I tried one of yours.
You bought the 2nd Edge because you liked that first one so much.
The Webley Tomahawk is the only one I said break the bank and buy....that rifle is as accurate as my HW95 and was half the price.
There's NO way yer blamin' me for that new NP2, I don't even own one and have never mentioned them....LMBO

Gump, I shoot pretty much the same distances as you do and once in awhile out to 40-60 yards and the bulk of my scopes are all 3-9x40 AO mil dot and for me have worked great for all my shooting whether it's targets or the occasional pest so anything 3-9, 4-12 or 4-16 should work great for the shooting you do.
If I poke around in the mess of stuff I have here, I know I have a couple of the UTG offset mounts just sitting. If you're interested, PM me your address and I'll send you one. Will save you $18 and you can put that towards whatever scope you finally decide to get, whether it ends up being a Hawke , Hammers or something else.
Let me know

VERY funny stuff, double LMBO!!!  You really oughta send Gumper those inferior 1" offset Hawke rings so you can get a set of the PROPER 2" offsets!

Ed

Try a set before you trash them oh wise and ancient one    I actually have a set here I bought for a Ruger 10/22 I ended up never buying (I got the XS25 instead) but they're weaver mount, not dovetail and I don't happen to have a weaver rail for them at the moment or I actually would have.
Been looking for one like my Umarex Fuel has but so far no luck. I even tried Umarex and got told they're actually part of the receiver and not made to be removed without possibly damaging the rifle so the search continues.

Ancient? Guilty as charged! Wise? Uhhh, not so much........

Actually, I own 2 rifles with picatinny/weaver rails (the XL1100 & the Summit NP2) and no need for an offset ring on either one.

Happy shooting buddy!

Ed