I want advice on a piston or springer for hunting.

[Gump]

I just want to update on my Edge. It's defective with bad grooves for scope mounting. These grooves are not symmetry to the center. If the scope is mounted, it's tilted to the right. It's been closed to 30 days satisfaction. I shouldn't have delay testing with a scope as many suggestions. Anyway, I sent back for exchange with PA. The waiting period can be up to 2 weeks from PA received date 03/14/16. I have to wait as hard as I can :-(
I don't know if PA will send a new one or just replace with new receiver. I try not to talk bad about it but it got worse than I thought. Don't get me wrong, I like the accuracy (with sight of course).

This Edge may be back on the market as refurbished, look out!
I wonder about OP having trouble adjusting scope, never get it to work, not knowing maybe bad grooves same as mine.

[SteveP-52]

I own 4 myself and with the other forum members that bought them during the different sales, you're the only one I've seen with dovetails that screwed up.
PA will probably just send you a new rifle, then send yours back to Hatsan to deal with.

Keep us posted on how things turn out.

[Gump]

I own 4 myself and with the other forum members that bought them during the different sales..

Speaking of sales, I had to pass last 3day Fieldsupply's refurbished sales because of very low confidence with Hatsan.

you're the only one I've seen with dovetails that screwed up.

I know!!! if I don't post those pictures, everybody would think I'm smoking or typical blaming on scope excuse. It is very odd.

[John Woodskills]

Gump.
I'm sorry to hear about the bad dove tails. Mine seem to be ok.
I'm very pleased with my rifle, the scope is what everyone says it is so I'll be getting a better one. Its always just a little blurry no matter what I do to it. I'm taking mine camping with my 9 yr old tomorrow.  I think we will have some fun.

[Gump]

Gump.
I'm sorry to hear about the bad dove tails. Mine seem to be ok.
I'm very pleased with my rifle, the scope is what everyone says it is so I'll be getting a better one. Its always just a little blurry no matter what I do to it. I'm taking mine camping with my 9 yr old tomorrow.  I think we will have some fun.

It's good that your dove tails are checked. I wonder if it is because of sale price item. I remember that you bought after the sale ended. Steve bought it normal price because .177 was not on sale. Lucky me, the defective sale 
"little blurry" I thought my eye is a problem ;-) Did you try adjusting object lens? (I don't know what range Hatsan is setting) It helps somewhat usable until you get a replacement. It's good enough for my common range 15-20yds for now.

[Methuselah]

I own 4 myself and with the other forum members that bought them during the different sales..

Speaking of sales, I had to pass last 3day Fieldsupply's refurbished sales because of very low confidence with Hatsan.

you're the only one I've seen with dovetails that screwed up.

I know!!! if I don't post those pictures, everybody would think I'm smoking or typical blaming on scope excuse. It is very odd.

Gump, you are right, it IS a rare manufacturing error (I posted earlier but it got eaten by the bit bucket, so I reckon some of this will be a repeat).

Many makes/models have their Achilles heel.  For Hatsan, its changes in their manufacturing process tend to have cleanup oversights, sometimes lasting a very long time.  Basically the design is solid, the components are not particularly fragile (except perhaps some parts of the composite stocks), and they seem to be stand-up on warranty issues.

I'm going to compare service/warranty with the only ones I know about (three).  First Hatsan, mine had an issue and they were willing to have me send it to them at my expense for repairs but didn't acknowledge it had an issue so I declined.  The majority of others who sent theirs in for repairs seemed to be happy with their services.  Second Daisy --- MANY issues, weird one like your barrel rails, my barrel came out ... they replaced the rifle, subsequently even sent me parts to rebuild the replacement and I had offered to pay for them!  Third Remington (Express), they didn't have what I requested but after some coaxing they sent me a piston seal and several extras.  It was a hassle dealing with them and I had to write two letters, but it is also my understanding they are new to this gambit and will be passing the baton - so I don't hold it against them.  Fourth, RWS/Umarex, they lie, cheat, and steel from their customers REGULARLY as an enforced policy.  I'm not making that up, just read the BBB complaints.  RWS, well, Diana, I let them know and they didn't bother to respond ... personally I'll just say that anyone buying anything "RWS" better be willing and able to work on it themselves and be planning on it or quite frankly if not I would think they have more loose screws than RWS rifles do.

Oh, Achilles heels, Hatsan, as I said, debris in the chamber takes out your seal.  Daisy - attention to detail and debris, had a valve washer reversed, needed better gluing of the barrel to the receiver (wish I just put it back), fuzz on the pump o-ring.  Remington, not enough packing in the box (bent barrel, and mine had the barrel pivot work loose - hence the seal, might as well tear into it).  RWS has a fork bracket that if loosens up totals the gun, front sight is carp and customer service is criminal at best.

I wouldn't pass on the Hatsan's if you buy from a reputable dealer willing to accept returns for 30 days, and if you are also handy in case the seal goes after that 30 days.

Just my $.02 and limited experiences.

[Old Corps]

Gump.
I'm sorry to hear about the bad dove tails. Mine seem to be ok.
I'm very pleased with my rifle, the scope is what everyone says it is so I'll be getting a better one. Its always just a little blurry no matter what I do to it. I'm taking mine camping with my 9 yr old tomorrow.  I think we will have some fun.

It's good that your dove tails are checked. I wonder if it is because of sale price item. I remember that you bought after the sale ended. Steve bought it normal price because .177 was not on sale. Lucky me, the defective sale 
"little blurry" I thought my eye is a problem ;-) Did you try adjusting object lens? (I don't know what range Hatsan is setting) It helps somewhat usable until you get a replacement. It's good enough for my common range 15-20yds for now.

Really sorry you got a bad one, hope the next one is perfect. I'm sure it has nothing to do with being on sale or not. All 3 of mine were on sale (only way I buy) and no problems.  Good luck!

Ed

[Gump]

For Hatsan, its changes in their manufacturing process tend to have cleanup oversights, sometimes lasting a very long time...

Perhaps, I should put "Hatsan Edge Vortex .22 Mfg Trial Edition" on my signature.

debris in the chamber takes out your seal...

Mine had some of those, that's minor but shouldn't be there nor sharp/rough metal edges & surfaces.

I already dealt with Hatsan for missing right plastic breech washer. Let's see PA reputation turns out. I get to test their services right from start.

Thank you for sharing your experience. I will keep update.

[Gump]

Really sorry you got a bad one, hope the next one is perfect. I'm sure it has nothing to do with being on sale or not. All 3 of mine were on sale (only way I buy) and no problems.  Good luck!

Ed

Thanks. I certainly hope for a new good one from PA.

[Bryan Heimann]

You know, I have not seen any complaints on Crosman service and support.  Nor daisy.

I take that back.  I saw one for  Crosman, about 5 years ago.  Pretty good record if you ask me.

[Gump]

Update:
I got a Hatsan Edge exchange from PA but it's poor grouping and same dovetail defective. Two weeks later, I received another. This third one is good. The accuracy is not as good as the first one. It may gets better over the time shooting. It makes a pinging sound every shot. I will check it again this weekend, it maybe a scope cause pinging.

- Hatsan has some bad batch, those EDGE defectives have first 4 digits serial 0515. Hatsan support sent me a missing plastic washer on the first rifle, no problem.

- Thumb's up for PA, especially a 30-day policy. They take care things timely manner. The third rifle receipt has "Airgun Tech Supervisor review" on the list.

[Old Corps]

Update:
I got a Hatsan Edge exchange from PA but it's poor grouping and same dovetail defective. Two weeks later, I received another. This third one is good. The accuracy is not as good as the first one. It may gets better over the time shooting. It makes a pinging sound every shot. I will check it again this weekend, it maybe a scope cause pinging.

- Hatsan has some bad batch, those EDGE defectives have first 4 digits serial 0515. Hatsan support sent me a missing plastic washer on the first rifle, no problem.

- Thumb's up for PA, especially a 30-day policy. They take care things timely manner. The third rifle receipt has "Airgun Tech Supervisor review" on the list.

Glad your 3rd one appears to be ok. Hope it gets more accurate as it breaks in. After seeing those 1st four digits of that bad batch I had to check mine, both purchased from PA. My .25 caliber is 0715. My .22 caliber is...............0515!!! Funny thing is I tried two different dovetail to picatinny adapters from Amazon and sent them back because they wouldn't sit perfectly level--they canted slightly to, yep, you guessed it, the right. The good part is I just gave up on that idea and used the Hawke rings with the 2" extension with the Hawke 4-12X50 AO IR scope and she mounted just fine and shoots great, got it sighted in very quickly. I have no doubt now that the grooves on mine are off but you can't tell anything is wrong looking at the way the scope sits from any angle so I'm not worried about it. I eyeballed the way the rings set before putting the scope on and they looked level to me, nothing like that photo you posted but the adapters I tried DID obviously cant to the right. Go figger..... Anyhoo, the way the scope looks on the rifle is perfect and the rifle is a tack driver so no worries for me fortunately. I don't believe mine (the grooves) are nearly as bad as yours were because you can't tell just looking at 'em.
Happy shooting!

Ed

[Back_Roads]

 RE : scope rail groves , on my 25 super tact , i had to play with it a bit , by sliding forward and or backwards , to find the best alignment , one of these days ill take it to my local machinist and see if he has a fix.

[Gump]

both purchased from PA. My .25 caliber is 0715. My .22 caliber is...............0515!!!

BTW, the third one is 0715. The second one was not off as much the first one. If it was accurate, I would have shim or add a spacer between a ring block and upper side of a little clamp block. Just a thought, if you feel like doing so. You have a lot experience, this little tilting is nothing. I'm noobie, it's a lot harder to hit a target and will not enjoy, only frustrate. The first one was really bad tilt, even by a quick glance at it.

[Gump]

RE : scope rail groves , on my 25 super tact , i had to play with it a bit , by sliding forward and or backwards , to find the best alignment , one of these days ill take it to my local machinist and see if he has a fix.

WoW, that will drive me nuts. This Hatsan Edge is limited ring location which is all the way back or picatinny adapter.

[John Woodskills]

Wow. I'll have to look my serial number over.
I hate that you've had so much trouble.

[SteveP-52]

After reading, I had to check my .22 and mine starts with 0815 but mine also came from AGD.

Gump, there's a couple ways to work around Hatsan's too far forward scope mounting. One is that UTG offset mount, I actually have a couple I got for some Centerpoint scopes I got cheap. Another is the style rings Ed aka OldCorps and I both have which are the Hawke Reach Forward Match mounts. His are 2 inch, mine are the 1 inch. They're a little pricey at $27.99 but I have them on all my rifles, they work great and I haven't had a scope slide in any of them.
You can also try moving your scope stop plate to the very front holes and putting the back back side of your front scope ring against it...it will let you slide your scope farther back.
Here's what the set up looks like on my Edge .177. If you look right behind the front ring, you'll see my stop plate:

[Gump]

After reading, I had to check my .22 and mine starts with 0815 but mine also came from AGD.

Gump, there's a couple ways to work around Hatsan's too far forward scope mounting. One is that UTG offset mount, I actually have a couple I got for some Centerpoint scopes I got cheap. Another is the style rings Ed aka OldCorps and I both have which are the Hawke Reach Forward Match mounts. His are 2 inch, mine are the 1 inch. They're a little pricey at $27.99 but I have them on all my rifles, they work great and I haven't had a scope slide in any of them.
You can also try moving your scope stop plate to the very front holes and putting the back back side of your front scope ring against it...it will let you slide your scope farther back.
Here's what the set up looks like on my Edge .177. If you look right behind the front ring, you'll see my stop plate:

Gotcha! That will be a next step if I ever past a first. For now, I am ok with the combo scope because my range is between 13 to 22 yards. It is clear enough with a lens adjustment, enable to read a normal letter font size 12 on the target. Seeing that picture makes me drooling, again. That's remind me at least I swap the trigger screw like yours(ref: M3x8-.50 hex socket screw, all the way in then back out 1 1/4 turn *** stock butt bump safety test ***).

Wow. I'll have to look my serial number over.
I hate that you've had so much trouble.

Just in case anyone wondering, those numbers are manufacture date (ref: http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=24931.msg226171#msg226171).

So much trouble, it is indeed. The majority waste of time is preping (cleaning/smoothing/lubing). I think as gaining handyman experience. During exchanging process, I made a shooting rest with a couple revisions already with feature for compressor and different target height.

[SteveP-52]

Sorry for chuckling over your drooling but that scope was free...I got some Walmart gift cards for christmas, saw that Hawke Vantage 4-12x40 AO scope on Walmart's website and figured why not. There's any number of under $100 scopes that will work great for the distances you're shooting if or when you decide you want a better one, Hawke is just my own personal favorite.
The blue scope rings are only blue because I painted them to match the stock and added a little bling with stainless base and ring screws. They're normally the standard matte black finish.

[Gump]

Sorry for chuckling over your drooling but that scope was free...I got some Walmart gift cards for christmas, saw that Hawke Vantage 4-12x40 AO scope on Walmart's website and figured why not. There's any number of under $100 scopes that will work great for the distances you're shooting if or when you decide you want a better one, Hawke is just my own personal favorite.
The blue scope rings are only blue because I painted them to match the stock and added a little bling with stainless base and ring screws. They're normally the standard matte black finish.

okay, I clean myself up now. You must have been nice and got good christmas gift card. Today, I used my christmas home repot $35 gift card on gardening stuff and a trigger screw. The trigger pull is short, it's easier than before. Somehow, it conflicts with my norm, gradually pull. It is noticeable two stage vs. mfg screw, feel like single stage. I tried with instance pull seems to work better for me. I will consider a second screw mod on forward side after a warranty expired and metallic blue paint .

About the Hawke scope, it seems like a lot of people favorite. Hawke Vantage 4-12x40 AO is currently $117, 3-9x40 AO $100 and 3-9x40 $90. How important is AO? Is refurbished scope any good?