Benjamin New Entry Level PCP - Maximus

[daveb50]

Evidently Crosman has had a 26" barrel without a threaded end for years. Check out this thread. Wonder if they still have them Crosman part number for 26" barrel in 22 cal is 6-2261-001
http://www.network54.com/Forum/581291/thread/1314123731/Discovery+26%26quot%3B+Barrel

[K.O.]

Hmm that's cool Bob was right about it gaining ten fps stock... thanks for the link..

I found a one with two barrel bands like I would want,

at 40+ fpe I would go with three (give the breech screw some help)

http://www.pellpax.co.uk/airguns/air-rifles/pre-charged-pneumatic-pcp-air-rifles/benjamin-discovery-177-combo/9281

Threaded barrel would  be nice for putting on a hatsan/homebrew  stripper...

or,
a miniature Browning Boss-ish device  (at 40+ fpe barrel might need tuning )

But if unthreaded no biggy...

[K.O.]

 wild cat that barrel with the light 28g/30g  BBT .217 Benji Bee..?

Bet it would do better than the Eun Jin points and dome...

[wll2506]

Now that shot is over, maybe we can get some stats on the gun and see the true dimensions and maybe part numbers.

wll

[avator]

I'm not so much interested in the gun as I am in the possibility of being able to order the 26" threaded barrel in .22. On the downside, take 26" barrel and hang an ldc on the end of it and you can just about reach up in the tree and smack the squirrel in the back of the head with it.

[lillysdad621]

the UK barrel was 26 inches to be able to put the LDC adaptor with threads... they were not threaded. and even if they thread it, we wont be able to use the 1/2 x20 ldcs anyway... the barrel is thinner than that. As per affordability, yes, the 200 dollar is affordable, but that is all relative to how much we want to put into the sport. 200 is not an expensive pcp, compared to the 600 marauder and such, and is almost free when compared to high end PCPs... But we have noticed that even 250 dollars (no pump) for a Disco was something the masses were not as keen to spend. The FDpcp was a tuners gun, unrefined and such, but it did sell out quite quickly, something the disco did not. so lets not discuss affordability in terms of what i or you can afford, but in terms to be a real option to buyers when they walk into big box stores and see a whole bunch of pellet rifles and pick the maximus over something else. And is not that it has to be a chinese gun to be better or more affordable, but to be honest, look around, chinese made stuff IS cheaper, not better necessarily, but definitely cheaper. And we all already know why that is, so lets not make a this a geopolitical discussion... I just think that the disco is just as good a deal, and again, crosman tries to reinvent the wheel... round.

[jaed.43725]

Lillysdad the point you make about being low enough for the masses brings up a point. If the gun sells fast then it may reduce the price of the pumps. That's going to be the sticker shock for a lot of people.

[lillysdad621]

Lets hope... i think a 99 dollar pump will do just great (and sell a ton, as we can always have a spare pump in case our tanks are not full... how many people have spare hill pumps? lol). The whole kit at 299.00 would be more enticing... a large retailer like walmart might be able to sell the bundle for 275??? now that is kinda nice... you can buy a good NP gun, or you have the choice to get a PCP setup... now that is choice.

[moorepower]

How many FDPCP's were sold? 100-200? How many Discos have been sold ? I am guessing thousands. I have 2 FDPCP's but I won't shoot either one until I replace the tubes with one piece cm tubes that I can trust. How many Discos have blown up? This gun will sell fast. The demand for PCP airguns has never been higher or there would not be all of the new PCP's coming to market.

[lillysdad621]

How many FDPCP's were sold? 100-200? How many Discos have been sold ?

As many as FD made, he sold. Im sure that percentile wise out of total production, more FDpcps have sold than discos... You think it will sell fast? why? how about just as fast as the Disco. my point is that is not a new gun, idea or promotional sensation. They might have well realeased the synthetic stock disco for all its worth...lol

PCPs are the new thing... but remember that for every pcp they sell, they sold 100 springers... and to the starter masses, a 100 dollar quest will always look more appealing, since there is no need for 150 worth of ancillaries and accesories.

[farmerjoe99]

Will it sell to the masses? who knows...
is it worth arguing about and ruffling feathers?

I agree that that should be a goal to make something that people can afford
but I would also say make something that will work...
I don't care if I can buy a pcp and pump for only $99.99
if I have to by a new pumps every 2-3 month
because its a piece of junk made to price and not standards.

people are getting fed up of buying stuff and throwing it away the next week
yes they sell and they sell a lot but what do people think of them
and will they continue to sell? The market is becoming educated its happening
in airguns its happening in cars its happening in food and health.
People are looking for the answers. So lets share them and build
up rather than tear down. give solid feedback to the manufactures and the customers.
and put actions to those thoughts.

As to the barrel I don't know, maybe it will come with a thread adapter
maybe it will be threaded but what reason do we have to come out and call crosman a liar
just because we don't see it or think is will happen?
I think its great they are adapting to what people want, LDC/shroud on they're guns
but they don't like having to modify for the TKO now this might address that,
is it perfect I can't say but lets help them get it right rather them let what ever happens happen.

*steps off soap box*

I'm interested to know if they have changed anything internally?
Maybe a hammer spring to help shot count? the TP?

[Bicycleman]

Jacob's statement about the rifles selling fast "it may reduce the price of the pumps."  I don't mean to stir the pile too much, but I am thinking it might work the other way.  More rifles sold means more DEMAND for the pumps.  Prices would rise!  JMO

[lillysdad621]

*steps off soap box*

I'm interested to know if they have changed anything internally?
Maybe a hammer spring to help shot count? the TP?

LOL... u are right. hopefully an improved valve that works more efficiently and increases shot count? that would be worth the admission price... i got some projects that may benefit from that.

[farmerjoe99]

*steps off soap box*

I'm interested to know if they have changed anything internally?
Maybe a hammer spring to help shot count? the TP?

LOL... u are right. hopefully an improved valve that works more efficiently and increases shot count? that would be worth the admission price... i got some projects that may benefit from that.

It would indeed be great if they did some valve work on them
what they really need to do is implement a SSG in it!
Anyone talk to them about that at SHOT?
It could be a huge selling point for them and would help
all the new shooters who can't stand pumper it up only to get 10 shots per fill.

[moorepower]

How many FDPCP's were sold? 100-200? How many Discos have been sold ?

As many as FD made, he sold. Im sure that percentile wise out of total production, more FDpcps have sold than discos... You think it will sell fast? why? how about just as fast as the Disco. my point is that is not a new gun, idea or promotional sensation. They might have well realeased the synthetic stock disco for all its worth...lol

PCPs are the new thing... but remember that for every pcp they sell, they sold 100 springers... and to the starter masses, a 100 dollar quest will always look more appealing, since there is no need for 150 worth of ancillaries and accesories.

.                                                                                                                                                                               By this logic McLaren sells more cars than Ford. You are comparing a $100 gun sold with no warranty made with unknown materials that all were sold because of low production to a high production gun that has enjoyed much success. I agree that it is probably a Disco with a 23" barrel and a tupperware stock, but I would bet within a few months of when they start to sell the street value will be south of $175. I can't say I don't own a Disco anymore because an hour ago I found one I could not skip , but the idea of a scoped hunter around 6 lbs is very interesting.

[jaed.43725]

Carbon fiber air tube at 3,200psi will really change things. Especially since they weigh less and dont cost to much.

[rsterne]

Carbon Fibre bottles are great, and not too hard to manufacture.... Just using a CF wrapped air tube is a LOT more problematic, as you have to install an end cap and a valve into it.... I am not aware of any PCP that has solved that problem yet....

Bob

[StevenG]

Jacob's statement about the rifles selling fast "it may reduce the price of the pumps."  I don't mean to stir the pile too much, but I am thinking it might work the other way.  More rifles sold means more DEMAND for the pumps.  Prices would rise!  JMO

That only happens if supply is limited. I can't see that being the case.

[Bicycleman]

Quick question, Steven = Who controls the supply of pumps that Crosman sells?   

[avator]

Not that it matters but, I think it was more like 400 FD-PCP sold. I'm pretty sure I heard that from Mike. As far as ONE "exploding".... no comment on that... I wasn't there and don't know the circumstances. Hearsay is all I have. Which, btw, is certainly still enough to raise caution. None the less, this thread is about the Maximus.