Galation vs. Sumatra

[Wink1018]

I am looking for a small/medium pest hunting riffle. From my searching, I have narrowed my choices to two contenders and a third possible. The two that seem most apealing to me are the Hatsan Galation and the Sumatra 2500, both in .25 cal. Has anyone had the opportunity to shoot either of these. Both have ups and down for me. I would like a third person’s view of these.

[dcorvino]

Hi
I have the Sumatra in 25 cal.
The rifle is not pellet picky, the mag will accommodate longer pellets.
You can adjust power on the fly, lots power
My vote is for the Sumatra
I have not used the Galation so I can't give you any input on that.
Hope this helps

Dave

[blackdiesel]

I assume you're referring to the carbine versions of these guns? You really can't go wrong with either gun, both are accurate and powerful.  The advantage the Hatsan has is that the removable air cylinder makes it easy to drop in a regulator.  Dave highlighted several good things about the Sumatra carbine.

[Bwalton]

That is Hatsans flag ship rifle very smooth very accurate. I have shot both.. two entirely different rifles.. The  Galation  is not a power house and not meant to be but can shoot the kings where ever you want them. but is more better regulated @ 890-900fps with the Kings. Depends on what you want.

Part II   

[Mod90]

For a small to medium pest whacker, both the Sumatra & Galatian are good choices, just keep in mind the Galatian is a bit heavier & you didn't mention if you'd prefer a lighter gun. The Galatian would be less powerful but more accurate, this becomes more important the further out you intend to take shots at pests, or even at paper targets.

[ancient1one]

Both excellent hunting rifles. If your looking for a a backyard friendly gun right out of the box Galation QE is the way to go.
1- Side lever action is better for bench or tripod/bipod shooting
2- As stated above you can buy an extra air-tube giving you more shots in the field or anywhere without carrying a tank.
3- Galation can be regulated down the road. Regulator will give you more consistent shots.
4- A ton of tuning info on Hatsans
5 - I never shot the Galation but the Hatsan trigger will be lighter and IMO better out of the box.
6 - Galation is heavier in the standard and carbine.
7 - QE edition will be longer compared to the Sumatra carbine
 
Sumatra.
1- If your looking for a lightweight hunting gun the Sumatra.
2- Sumatra has more FPE out of the box and will shoot heavier hunting bullets more accurately.
3- Adjustable power by turning a knob
4- Will not be pellet fussy and will shoot many pellets accurately. Say Benjamin 25's at Walmart or an online store has a sale on a 25's most likely the Sumatra will shoot it accurately.
5- Not backyard friendly. It will cost if you want it to be BYF.($100 - $125)
6- Sumatra looks nicer in person than in photos(JMO)
7- Less info on you-tube or online for tuning the Sumatra. Once tuned the longer 2500 is easily a 100+ FPE gun. Carbine 80+ FPE.
8- Sumatra cost less
9 - Regulating is not a realistic option


If I was buying a 25 for hunting it would be a Sumatra Carbine.
 

 

[Rdsail]

I would not consider the Galation small/medium rifle. It is quite heavy but well balanced. I'm not a fan of either guns trigger but I'm particular about triggers and like them very light. The sumatra will give you more power. Im not a fan that sumatra does not have a bell curve the shot curve is a downward slope. This means that the your string will start high FPS and go down. Most of other guns will start at a lower fps then peak and then come down.  I personally think the bell curve is better unless the gun is regulated.

[Mod90]

Rdsail, I believe the reference to small/medium was pertaining to the size of pests intending to be taken with the gun, not the rifle itself.

wrt the bell curve vs downward slope issue, it really all depends on the application. In the case of a dedicated hunting gun being used to only take 3-5 shots at a time where maximum power is needed, a downward sloping shot string isn't generally that big a deal. But a gun to be used to take out as many pests as possible in one outing or to be used for target shooting would be better served with a nice long bell curve.

[mista meener]

Both excellent hunting rifles. If your looking for a a backyard friendly gun right out of the box Galation QE is the way to go.
1- Side lever action is better for bench or tripod/bipod shooting
2- As stated above you can buy an extra air-tube giving you more shots in the field or anywhere without carrying a tank.
3- Galation can be regulated down the road. Regulator will give you more consistent shots.
4- A ton of tuning info on Hatsans
5 - I never shot the Galation but the Hatsan trigger will be lighter and IMO better out of the box.
6 - Galation is heavier in the standard and carbine.
7 - QE edition will be longer compared to the Sumatra carbine
 
Sumatra.
1- If your looking for a lightweight hunting gun the Sumatra.
2- Sumatra has more FPE out of the box and will shoot heavier hunting bullets more accurately.
3- Adjustable power by turning a knob
4- Will not be pellet fussy and will shoot many pellets accurately. Say Benjamin 25's at Walmart or an online store has a sale on a 25's most likely the Sumatra will shoot it accurately.
5- Not backyard friendly. It will cost if you want it to be BYF.($100 - $125)
6- Sumatra looks nicer in person than in photos(JMO)
7- Less info on you-tube or online for tuning the Sumatra. Once tuned the longer 2500 is easily a 100+ FPE gun. Carbine 80+ FPE.
8- Sumatra cost less
9 - Regulating is not a realistic option


If I was buying a 25 for hunting it would be a Sumatra Carbine.

    I have an AT 44 bought an extra cylinder and if you change your cylinder it will shoot to a different zero and might like another  pellet. I do not have a galation but I would think the zero change would be the same

[Mod90]

Unless both cylinders are set up to shoot at the same velocity and air usage, and both of them line up exactly the same, switching from one cylinder to another will bring some amount of poi shift. It's to be expected.

[Rdsail]

Rdsail, I believe the reference to small/medium was pertaining to the size of pests intending to be taken with the gun, not the rifle itself.

wrt the bell curve vs downward slope issue, it really all depends on the application. In the case of a dedicated hunting gun being used to only take 3-5 shots at a time where maximum power is needed, a downward sloping shot string isn't generally that big a deal. But a gun to be used to take out as many pests as possible in one outing or to be used for target shooting would be better served with a nice long bell curve.

I was still have sleep when I read the post so yes the post is about pesting

[Wink1018]

Not overly concerned with the weight if the rifle. Nor am I looking at the carbines. I feel the longer the barrel, the better the performance. I like what I've read about the Sumatra ' s power. Just not impressed with the shot count.

I like the Galation ' s shot count and higher round count in the clip.

Both are very nice looking units. I do like the artwork on both.

[Habanero69er]

The Sumatra is substantially more powerful. By throttling back on the power wheel, shot count can be increased. I guess it depends on how much power you really need. If you're using it for pesting, shot count shouldn't be a major issue. If plinking, shot count does become more important.

[Extreme]

   Habanero69er is to the point. The Sumatra Rifle is a great gun, and reducing the power for pesting really increases shot count. My .22 Rifle gets 60 or more shots with 16gr JSB pellets. Turned down to mid power, mine has a Piatt trigger and power tune though. These Sumatra guns are awesome. I know this is not what you are looking at but, don't overlook the BSA Scorpion 1200 SE in .22 or .177 regulated and deadly accurate to boot. My .22 BSA gets 40 shots and shot 3 hits where shot 33 hits. In .177 I've read of ppl getting over 70 shots. Just an other option. With a $100 TKO LDC  very quite and long!!!! lol
Best Of Luck Brother Man

[Extreme]

   Correction I meant to say lo/med power not med power.  With the 16gr on med it's a little much.
Take Care Brother Man

[Wink1018]

It looks to me that the Sumatra fits more of my wants than the other riffles. The Galation and Sumatra were top of the list because of the repeater function. The Sumatra won out in most out of the box power (tied with my third choice). The adjustable power of the Sumatra is an added bonus to me. The fact that it can be dialed down or up depending on pellet weight really has my attention.

The third rifle I have been looking at is an Air Force unit. It was the single shot capability that kept it in the background. If Air Force ever comes out with a repeater, I'll defenately look there. Maybe when I look into a big bore rifle, the single shot feature won't play towards my choice.