considering the umarex octane or the benjamin trail 1100

[peanut]

If your pumper is .177, a 10.5gr pellet at 500 fps should do the job within 20 yards.

[packard8]

I appreciate all the wonderful info guys, I'll admit I'm now leaning towards the hatsan 125 or the rws 34. I'm more towards the 125 in. 22 caliber,question is with so many versions of the 125 what do I look into? I'm guessing the vortex model? Also I'm giving the 34 serious thought as well

I've owned 2 Hat 125's and now own 2 Hat 135's. They are all big heavy cannons and best suited to bench shooting. I found the 135's more manageable, maybe due to the thicker, more substantial walnut stock to absorb the recoil (they look a lot better too, IMHO).

However, for a field gun I'd steer you towards the Diana 34 or HW95. Both are more accurate, easier to cock, handle & shoot as well as being more refined in fit, finish and overall quality.