1065 yds-Longest Distance Ever, To Hit Target, Air Powered-.257 Video

[rifle50]

Wow just fantastic shooting there sir I have shared the video on a uk forum that I'm a member on so your fame is worldwide. The calculations you were doing made my head hurt we have no chance of ever coming close to shots like that with our power limits. So you need to keep on shooting and videoing and of course writing so we can look over your shoulder whilst you push the limits of our sport again well done sir.

Thank You and also for sharing on your UK forums............That was nice. I understand with your 12 fpe limitations you are severely handicapped for distance. But just do what you can and HAVE FUN ......I did have a very good place to shoot for extreme distance with an airgun.......I was lucky to live within 70 miles of that range.........If I get anything next year informative or interesting, I will share here............Thanks again and good luck to you.

Carl

[rifle50]

Congratulations Carl,

   That is an awesome achievement. I myself just picked up my piece of steel. It's 46" X 54". I took your advice and bought 10 gauge steel (.133" inches). It weighs at least 80 lbs. I found out that 1/8" (.125" inches) steel is not 10 gauge.
    Waiting for C.ALLS to get my other spring in to start tuning the Extreme. Were going to try a music wire 16 pounder and a stainless steel 14 pounder. He's going to help me tune the rifle once we get the springs in. Not sure when the spring will get here so I'm not sure when testing can resume. The weather is getting worse by the day so 2015 maybe lost. We'll see.
   

Thanks bluethunder...........As you well know it isn't easy when way out there....Once you have the elevation for the distance it isn't really difficult....Glad you have your plate, it sure is  big enough   I didn't know difference about 10 gauge...I wanted .125" and man in office told yard guy to take me to the remnant pile.......He just said here is a 10 gauge piece but may be to long..........It was and he gave it one hit on the shear and was fine for me....Certainly better than the RAM with belly to top of back, only 13" high.......That was hard to hit......

Keep us posted on your progress, both good and bad........I guess from our conversations you are going straight from your 700 yd and jump right to 1000 yds??? Good luck, that is a BIGGGGGG STEP my friend......I did the tippy TOE 100 yds at a time but now that you know it CAN BE DONE, GO FOR IT    Best of LUCK and hope the conditions get good for you...........Me it will be SPRING time for LONG DISTANCES again...May try tome 500 yd , short stuff this winter?  Gun still at gunsmiths, and he has been sick for over 2 weeks now!!!

Will be anxiously awaiting what the HEAVIER BULLETS can do way out there...........IF gun can get enough drive and Elevation to get there???

Carl

[bluethunder]

Thanks Carl. I had a small setback when my 15 year old chronograph gave up the ghost. It's hard to tune the air rifle to a spring setting when you don't know your velocities. Just received my new chrono today. So I'll resume testing tomorrow.

[rifle50]

LOL!!! HOL-LY COW!  That is sick. 
OK here is your next fire mission.

Rifle five zero this is Bill G, adjust fire over.

Bill G this is Rifle five zero adjust fire out.

Rile five zero this is Bill G, I have steel plat in the open. Adjust fire on grid Victor Delta 1427835751 over. (vicinity of OP 4, fort drum NY)

Rodger BillG, Adjust fire  on grid Victor Delta 1427835751...... Shot over.

Rifle five zero, splash out.

Rifle five zero, adjust fire, left 10 add 200.

Bill G, shot over

Rifle five zero splash out

Rifle five zero adjust fire, drop 100 over.

Bill G shot over.

Rifle five zero splash out

rifle five zero adjust fire, add 50, over.

Bill G shot over

rifle five zero splash out.

Rifle five zero fire for effect!!

A-MAZ-ING!  You have the patience of a mountain.

Bill G.    Been neglecting this thread for several weeks now ................Your comment is most refreshing. Very clever and really with my radio contact with my pit friend, not far from the truth.................I got a chuckle from your response...........Thanks

Carl

[rifle50]

Thanks Carl. I had a small setback when my 15 year old chronograph gave up the ghost. It's hard to tune the air rifle to a spring setting when you don't know your velocities. Just received my new chrono today. So I'll resume testing tomorrow.

bluethunder.........I know weather isn't what you want but how is the shorter range testing going for you?  Raining and muddy here........Am interested in your springing and the tuning success you were seeking?

I got my rifle back from the additional modifications after about 5 weeks, and have tested twice at 100 yds.......Still working adjusting the tuners I now have, and it is much more consistent than it was, as of now......testing some NEW bullets too......When weather gets better may try some close range accuracy testing at 300 and 400 yds........Can do that without dust, with my steel white plate that close.........I also just received the M.O.A.B. 300 moa rail. Haven't installed yet. Can test for maximum accuracy through the winter and next spring when dusty, get back after it at some distance for better groupings?  And if all goes decently, Just may try a little MORE DISTANCE

Carl

[Bill G]

Thanks Carl. I had a small setback when my 15 year old chronograph gave up the ghost. It's hard to tune the air rifle to a spring setting when you don't know your velocities. Just received my new chrono today. So I'll resume testing tomorrow.

bluethunder.........I know weather isn't what you want but how is the shorter range testing going for you?  Raining and muddy here........Am interested in your springing and the tuning success you were seeking?

I got my rifle back from the additional modifications after about 5 weeks, and have tested twice at 100 yds.......Still working adjusting the tuners I now have, and it is much more consistent than it was, as of now......testing some NEW bullets too......When weather gets better may try some close range accuracy testing at 300 and 400 yds........Can do that without dust, with my steel white plate that close.........I also just received the M.O.A.B. 300 moa rail. Haven't installed yet. Can test for maximum accuracy through the winter and next spring when dusty, get back after it at some distance for better groupings?  And if all goes decently, Just may try a little MORE DISTANCE

Carl

ROFL!!!  OK, lets get something very clear.  Just because you have shot at 1000+yrs and had success, does not make 300-400yrs close range. This is an air rifle, you are the exception not the rule. 
how cool is that?  300-400yrds, short range he says, I love it.  Awesome really.  Keep it up, can't wait for the next season.

400yrd is the new 100yrds.

BillG 

[Tofazfou]

Thanks Carl. I had a small setback when my 15 year old chronograph gave up the ghost. It's hard to tune the air rifle to a spring setting when you don't know your velocities. Just received my new chrono today. So I'll resume testing tomorrow.

bluethunder.........I know weather isn't what you want but how is the shorter range testing going for you?  Raining and muddy here........Am interested in your springing and the tuning success you were seeking?

I got my rifle back from the additional modifications after about 5 weeks, and have tested twice at 100 yds.......Still working adjusting the tuners I now have, and it is much more consistent than it was, as of now......testing some NEW bullets too......When weather gets better may try some close range accuracy testing at 300 and 400 yds........Can do that without dust, with my steel white plate that close.........I also just received the M.O.A.B. 300 moa rail. Haven't installed yet. Can test for maximum accuracy through the winter and next spring when dusty, get back after it at some distance for better groupings?  And if all goes decently, Just may try a little MORE DISTANCE

Carl

ROFL!!!  OK, lets get something very clear.  Just because you have shot at 1000+yrs and had success, does not make 300-400yrs close range. This is an air rifle, you are the exception not the rule. 
how cool is that?  300-400yrds, short range he says, I love it.  Awesome really.  Keep it up, can't wait for the next season.

400yrd is the new 100yrds.

BillG

EXACTLY BILL......lol!  400 yards is NOT close range no matter what.  Air or Gun Powder.  And for an airgun, its still VERY FAR and can not be done by the masses......YET (Carl, your in my territory now.....lol....don't make it sound so easy.....lol).  Especially when MOA or even 5" at that range has not be repeatedly stomped on................again, YET!

[KnifeMaker]

LOL!!!

Knife

[rifle50]

ROFL!!!  OK, lets get something very clear.  Just because you have shot at 1000+yrs and had success, does not make 300-400yrs close range. This is an air rifle, you are the exception not the rule. 
how cool is that?  300-400yrds, short range he says, I love it.  Awesome really.  Keep it up, can't wait for the next season.

400yrd is the new 100yrds.

BillG
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BillG.......I hate to break the news to you but, 300-400 yds is CLOSE RANGE.  In NRA shooting competitions, In High Power or F-Class the designations are as follows. ANYTHING  LESS than 500 and 600 yds is considered CLOSE RANGE, 600 yds is MEDIUM RANGE and LONG RANGE begins at the 800,900 and 1000 yd lines...When you shoot a lot of matches and registered matches the scores are turned into NRA,  you will get a CLASSIFICATION CARD. Beginners  are unclassified. BETTER YOU AGG the higher up your classification. Next up is a MARKSMAN, then SHARPSHOOTER, then EXPERT, then MASTER and best is HIGH MASTER. TO BE HIGH MASTER you are very good and difficult to get.. Wind reading skills have to be good. ...When you get this card it will LIST THE RANGE you acquired that classification in based on what range you shot at the most......... THE SHORT, MEDIUM, OR LONG RANGE.

Now all you folks  who shoot pellet guns and think 50 yds is really something that is fine. I have only 1 pellet gun, .22 Custom Speced RAW, and I always shoot it at the 100 yd targets and is easy with it.........Now that i have a HPA .257, and I know it is an AIRGUN BUT, through testing and  Chair Gun Pro I know that my projectile at the MAX RANGE can travel almost 2 MILES......Yes it has a BIG ARC, but NO TROUBLE GOING 300-400 yds. If it is tuned well or even reasonably well, you can hit man sized upper torso target all day, provided not 25 mph winds and then YES, if you give the correct hold off for conditions, slug  still will hit......

I was asked early this year when I had worse vertical shifting what it did at 50 yds? I answered I have NEVER shot it at 50 yds  and wasn't built for that.....I could throw rocks that far

I used to shoot my Ruger 10/22 at 4" clays at my 220 yd distance at the range as BORED shooting the 100 yd close in range.......

When i get the new re-built rifle with dual tuners on the barrel all dialed in, I plan to shoot this muddy winter, my plate as mentioned close in starting at 300 yds with  2-3  inch red bullseye and see just how good it will shoot... With the correct equipment it really is easy....wasn't first time out but with a summer of gained knowledge by DOING it and some knowledge i passed on to a YouTube question of my Soda Can Video, he is off and running... In a later response to TOFAZFOU will document his story..........

Thanks for the response..........

Carl                   

[rifle50]

ROFL!!!  OK, lets get something very clear.  Just because you have shot at 1000+yrs and had success, does not make 300-400yrs close range. This is an air rifle, you are the exception not the rule. 
how cool is that?  300-400yrds, short range he says, I love it.  Awesome really.  Keep it up, can't wait for the next season.

400yrd is the new 100yrds.

BillG
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EXACTLY BILL......lol!  400 yards is NOT close range no matter what.  Air or Gun Powder.  And for an airgun, its still VERY FAR and can not be done by the masses......YET (Carl, your in my territory now.....lol....don't make it sound so easy.....lol).  Especially when MOA or even 5" at that range has not be repeatedly stomped on................again, YET!
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TOFAZFOU, Read my response to Bill G above and I have to dis-agree, 400 yds is close range, If you have a rifle that travels EASILY that distance, and a .257 with long barrel does, even air powered.... I didn't say it is EASY TO HIT such small targets as you like to shoot, IE Eggs, Soda Cans etc as it is NOT EASY. And have to have the elevation capability of your platform and have that figured out, or trial error with dust marking misses to get that down but is relatively easy with an average size targets relative to distance shot. If looking at 1-2 moa consistency, then the BULLSEYE will be that at range shot. At 300 yds that target would be 3"-6", and at 400 yds, bull or aiming center would be 4"-8". That is a perfectly reasonable target to hit with air..... Sure not every shot but the challenge is say 10 shots, how CLOSE were the misses of that BULL?  That is what i meant this winter when I can't see dust misses at long range, so will with my newly modded/improved RIFLE, after the 100 yd tuning sessions will just set my steel plate at these CLOSER distances as I can spray bullets all day and see where i am hitting or missing bullseye on the white steel plate. 

I will now relay a story why i think it ISN'T ALL THAT DIFFICULT at the above name distances. About 3 months ago I had a question to my YouTube video of Soda Cans at 700 yds.  He asked how my gun was different and how could be get one. Exchange e-mail and phone as to much to discuss over that medium. I told him everything about my gun but my gunsmith has to much work already and doesn't specialize in airguns, and I gather ALL the parts/pieces and he does necessary machining ONLY. I advised him to get one by Randy at R&L SUPPLY with his then available 32" bbl in .257 and Doug's valve. He had that INVOAIRTECH cartridge cylinder airgun and had ONLY shot it at 150 yds, wasn't satisfied. Wanted to know if he bought Randy's .257 could he shoot at 200-250 yds easily. I said yes.  Well 2 weeks later he had it. Got Doug's valve, CF bottle like mine at 4350 psi and Maddog stock......FX rings and scope with lot of MOA and anyway first time out he wrote....I was shooting at 250 yds today.  Soon he writes i shot at 345 yds today and no problem. Recently before the storms etc., he writes, I hit the steel plate at our range today at 545 yds and sent pic of the lead strikes on the round plate. He says next when he can see misses as it dries some, going to try 800 yds....He originally wanted to be able to shoot to 250 yds, and now is double that and going for MORE    I at the start gave him the link to YOUR PAGE on the .257 on TAG for useful info..... He now has posted to that link and you have responded to him.......He goes by uncledevo ........also got the ARSENAL MOLDS to be made in 4 or 5 cavity of the 257420 Lyman shape and paid upfront charge to get this done..........I have it and it works more consistently for me and bullets just look better to the eye too.......

These are my reasons to state with a .257 anyway, 300-400 isn't far.......I can do it, Cedric you can do it, Doug can do it, and someone who never did it with an airgun (uncledevo), and easily can do it ........Anyone with the right equipment can do it.......YES the further you go out in distance, the harder it is, but the rifle has NO PROBLEM going there, just the shooter correcting for conditions to place the shots on target..........That is my story, and Sticking To It.     

Carl

[Tofazfou]

Carl,

Thanks for the info on the mold.  I'm ordering one

[KnifeMaker]

Carl,

Thanks for the info on the mold.  I'm ordering one

I knew you would be in for a higher cavity count, on a HIGH Quality Mold!

Have a "Very Happy New Year" Tof!!! 

[DevilsLuck]

Hi All,

  Kind of LONG, But tells story of that day. For any who THINK IT WAS EASY!

Yes I did it, Broke the 1000 yd distance with and air gun. The LONGEST “KNOWN” DISTANCE EVER TO HIT A TARGET WITH AIR POWER. AND A ¼” dia. bullet, 257”.  I also exceeded the 1000 yd ranges absolute distance ….If you watch video and at end for the distance VIEW, look carefully and BEYOND the number boards of 1000 yds, just over the top is the berm/backstop bank 50 yds beyond, for the 24 shooting positions. My target is 15 yds beyond that up in the white triangle sloped bank to the left, with the white steel plate, and is 39” wide. A regulation NRA target is  72” x 72”, and I am little over ½ that size...  Shooting from the 1000 yd shooting benches on firing line.

Set up, how it broke down….I first put up the steel plate in a cleared/raked spot at the end of the range and started this at 800 yds. I used a portable table to get my yardage distances back from plate. With my Plate 65 yds beyond the Ranges target frames, and I went back from my 905 yd half mile + video, I would have to set up 65 yds in front of the 1000 yd concrete benches for a 1000 yd shot. I said forget that, I will just set up on concrete bench and distance would be 1065 yds, and GO FOR IT ALL……This is what I did.  Any longer distances, and I would have to set up portable table in the PARKING LOT.

That morning was tough…Up till then each 100 yd increase in distance I raised the scope rail the appropriate “guess”, using ballistic charts and several BC calculations, and had worked pretty well through 905 yds…I figured I needed an additional 30 MOA to get 1065 yds, from my 905 yd settings….WRONG!!

My buddy was with me this trip and we had radio’s, HIS….  Got set up ready to fire. Don’t put plate down range, until I can fire and either myself or buddy with my spotting scope see dust for correct elevation, hitting in the prepped dirt area. I fired and fired and saw NO DUST…..I aimed high, and higher, then low in the clearing and no dust….Then we saw dust at top of the clearing  one shot. Aimed lower and varied aim point and nothing…Couldn’t believe it…Never had quite this much trouble before……..Then another dust cloud but nothing afterwards……Tried and tried……I was about ready to quit…..My buddy said drive me down and I’ll get behind the concrete pit wall, and see if I can see any hits………I drive him down and came back……I fired several shots and NOTHING………I figured I MUST BE LOW, so aimed above the cleared space a LOT……Radio says, I think I saw a weed move way LOW, try again……Did same thing and he tells me I hit a weedy bushy thing and fired a few more and was way low…I couldn’t SEE what he was talking about so I DRIVE DOWN AGAIN……..He shows me where IT was hitting…Dang like 20 ft LOW into weeds!! The several shots we DID SEE BEFORE with DUST, turned out to be RICOCHET’S that skipped upwards into our impact area and we wasted a lot of bullets, AIR and TIME!!!……I says get in, I have to drive back, remove scope and rail, and adjust way up on rear, so you can relax back at the line and have a snack…………I take the rail and scope  off, put another 40 MOA in and re-mount all and start all over……. I had approximately 275 MOA for these shots and past the 900 yds the MOA really starts adding up. The Ballistic Charts are WRONG at these slow speeds. Friend using my 20-60x80 spotting scope, and I could see too with rifle scope. Fired a few more and finally on the correct MIL-DOT, we see dust fly…Fired several more on the correct mil dot that got me in middle of the dirt area. OK, let’s go AGAIN DOWN and set up the white steel plate..  …Drive down, back up the hill, set up plate, the camera on tripod, and turn on…drop him at the pit wall, 65 yds from the plate, and he has binoculars to spot the hits and a radio. DANG, I am tired by this time………..Hey, 74 yrs old gets like this!!

Fired a few to right of plate to get dust at middle of plate, or close for elevation……Fired ON PLATE, the radio says a hit, and he tells where on plate…..Get 5 on plate and that last one is in the bulls-eye, and I radio back. I am DONE and TIRED. WE DID what I set out to do all summer, find how far it COULD go…. (Hits WITH AIR-1000 yds+), the line is cold and driving down to pick up……My friend was walking to plate as I was driving up the hill to target , camera still running, and he walked in front of target and gave me the SIGNAL of “YEAH”, pointing to the bulls-eye hit? I left it in video. We were only ones there that morning.

Video is in PORTRAIT MODE and zoomed very tight to give a full screen view…. I want to see the HITS and I know where the GROUND IS If it bothers you, turn 90* clockwise in your MIND

Added Music Track to this one-Click LOW RIGHT CORNER on video, to see FULL SCREEN--- 

2nd video of same with a different jumping sound track 

Yes I could do it again with less fuss, as I have the information gained, to apply first time

Comments, Suggestions are welcome

Gun is with GUNSMITH for serious modifications as of 11/18/15, to HOPEFULLY correct a vertical shifting problem I still have….If it is successful, next season will be for much better accuracy at distance!!!

1-Pic of me with target my buddy wanted to commemorate the occasion, 2-From Plate looking back to rifle, 3-rifle at angle to hit at range, 4-scope rail elevation, 5-smash bullets at 1065 yds CLICK PICS and will enlarge

I added a PIC of the LBT 90 grain I used that casts for me at 92 grains, with two .22 caliber PELLETS for comparison. Click pic to enlarge full screen.

CARL

I have a question... How many folks told you it "couldn't be done"?

[james]

That is an incredible record.

[rifle50]

Carl,

Thanks for the info on the mold.  I'm ordering one

Cedric, You are welcome.........I got the notice via e-mail of your post in rebuttal to above comments before you deleted it and want to address couple of my thoughts.

I am  All about accuracy and have been dissatisfied with my guns NON CONSISTENT accuracy from the beginning, and the reason for differing mods being applied. I am also not concerned of what others may or may not think about what they possibly can do...This whole endeavor was for ME, to just see how FAR and reasonably accurate my red gun could go. Have done that  and now await a new barrel to try and better the accuracy.

Very true this extra long range distance is very impractical and ridiculous for hunting.  But even though scope is pointing to end of barrel at infinity focus, end is not in view. I now have this, but yet to install and with hunting and using prior tested settings, just measure distance with the range finder, dial the rear turret up to 300 MOA and fire.
http://www.coldshotusa.com/     

And yes, uncledevo with my help purchased a .257 from R&L, Randy, and in 2 weeks was hitting 250 and 350 yds right off the bat and before the rains was at 545 yds with a gun PURCHASED and not like mine.....So it can be done fairly easily....

I fully agree with you where we want less than MOA and others think that if they as you mentioned hit a fairly large target at 100 yds it is accurate....We are on the same page Cedric........I saw your soda can at 1/4 mile video and got a randy built gun in just a few days and I could hit rocks at 400 yds on our range and no more distance there, and I was hooked, so built a better one, and still trying to improve it......Trying to be the FIRST now to "STOMP ON 5" groups repeatedly at that distance (400)

Cheers.............Carl

[Tofazfou]

Carl,

Thanks for the info on the mold.  I'm ordering one

Cedric, You are welcome.........I got the notice via e-mail of your post in rebuttal to above comments before you deleted it and want to address couple of my thoughts.

I am  All about accuracy and have been dissatisfied with my guns NON CONSISTENT accuracy from the beginning, and the reason for differing mods being applied. I am also not concerned of what others may or may not think about what they possibly can do...This whole endeavor was for ME, to just see how FAR and reasonably accurate my red gun could go. Have done that  and now await a new barrel to try and better the accuracy.

Very true this extra long range distance is very impractical and ridiculous for hunting.  But even though scope is pointing to end of barrel at infinity focus, end is not in view. I now have this, but yet to install and with hunting and using prior tested settings, just measure distance with the range finder, dial the rear turret up to 300 MOA and fire.
http://www.coldshotusa.com/     

And yes, uncledevo with my help purchased a .257 from R&L, Randy, and in 2 weeks was hitting 250 and 350 yds right off the bat and before the rains was at 545 yds with a gun PURCHASED and not like mine.....So it can be done fairly easily....

I fully agree with you where we want less than MOA and others think that if they as you mentioned hit a fairly large target at 100 yds it is accurate....We are on the same page Cedric........I saw your soda can at 1/4 mile video and got a randy built gun in just a few days and I could hit rocks at 400 yds on our range and no more distance there, and I was hooked, so built a better one, and still trying to improve it......Trying to be the FIRST now to "STOMP ON 5" groups repeatedly at that distance (400)

Cheers.............Carl

Exactly Carl, i erased it cause i knew we where on the same page.  So all that typing was pointless.

I can't wait to see your results at them "CLOSE RANGES" ........lol!  Seriously, i will be staying tuned.  I love the fact that you are now trying to see just how far the gun TYPICALLY can go and be reasonably accurate.  I've so be spending more and more time with the 7mm (TD257 is not happy with me....lol).  But i will be joining ya pretty soon with the 257 shennanigans

[rifle50]

I have a question... How many folks told you it "couldn't be done"?
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[DevilsLuck]

I have a question... How many folks told you it "couldn't be done"?

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[rifle50]

I have a question... How many folks told you it "couldn't be done"?

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I don't think ANYONE told me it couldn't be done.  I just started extending the distance each time out by 100 yds. At 545 yds posted video and at that time thought I could be able to hit a reasonable sized target smaller than an SUV Actually at that time responders to the video's i was putting up thought I could go farther.  I wasn't thinking negatively at all, but just wanted to find out how far the gun COULD go with air .......Since no one had posted anything worldwide that it had even been tried, I certainly didn't know so just kept going. Actually now that 1000 yds has been passed, a .257 can reach further out but it gets extremely difficult to see hits in dirt and bullet is losing power rapidly.
Thinking back all last spring until FALL, no one said it couldn't be done as didn't say  initially i was shooting 1000 yds. It worked out and now someone else can stretch the distances

Thanks for comment........Carl

[DevilsLuck]

You've set the bar high my friend. Very high!