250 yard Range Capable Rifle

[westtexasrancher]

The shorter barrels are stiffer and more accurate too.....the long one does nothing but rob velocity, give you mor sight radius if you aren't using a scope, and changes balance around.

[condor22]

.22lr optimal length barrel is around 16",  you lose velocity the longer the barrel gets, if you get a really long rifle /barrel, it will hurt you in velocity. And if you shoot subs, you are close to maxing your scope out already, any slower and you will need a 10-30moa base to be able to shoot that far.

  Maximum velocity does not equal ≠ maximum accuracy, that's why the industry standard is a 24in .22lr barrel! 

  Found this posted from CCI: The test barrel length CCI uses for testing, both Pressure and velocity and
accuracy, is 24". This is the industry 'standard' for 22 LR barrel length per SAAMI.

  When I asked our lead technician your question he stated a 18-20" barrel length would be optimum for most of our 22 LR products, especially the Mini-Mag group, parts #30 and #31. It is possible a longer barrel may gain you some velocity when using our CCI Velocitor ammunition. Our Rimfire R&D Engineer has stated that it (Velocitor) was designed for best results in a 22-24" bbl. We get very good accuracy results from Velocitor in our 24" barrels but Mini-Mag 22 LRHP, part #31 is a consistent top performer for us also.

Linda

Linda Olin
CCI/Speer Technical Services Technician
1-866-286-7436
Ext. 2343 E-mail: Linda.Olin@ATK.com
FAX (208) 799-3589

 I wouldn't lose any sleep, worrying about a 28in rimfire barrel slowing the .22lr projectile down too slow, this rifle has a huge following and I'm sure they'd get as good a laugh out of that as I did ¿    If I think about this, will call CZ USA to get the real scoop*It's a good idea to use a canted base, 10 or 20MOA on .22lr shooting 200yd +  CZ USA  1-800-955-4486

[westtexasrancher]

.22lr optimal length barrel is around 16",  you lose velocity the longer the barrel gets, if you get a really long rifle /barrel, it will hurt you in velocity. And if you shoot subs, you are close to maxing your scope out already, any slower and you will need a 10-30moa base to be able to shoot that far.

  Maximum velocity does not equal ≠ maximum accuracy, that's why the industry standard is a 24in .22lr barrel! 

  Found this posted from CCI: The test barrel length CCI uses for testing, both Pressure and velocity and
accuracy, is 24". This is the industry 'standard' for 22 LR barrel length per SAAMI.

  When I asked our lead technician your question he stated a 18-20" barrel length would be optimum for most of our 22 LR products, especially the Mini-Mag group, parts #30 and #31. It is possible a longer barrel may gain you some velocity when using our CCI Velocitor ammunition. Our Rimfire R&D Engineer has stated that it (Velocitor) was designed for best results in a 22-24" bbl. We get very good accuracy results from Velocitor in our 24" barrels but Mini-Mag 22 LRHP, part #31 is a consistent top performer for us also.

Linda

Linda Olin
CCI/Speer Technical Services Technician
1-866-286-7436
Ext. 2343 E-mail: Linda.Olin@ATK.com
FAX (208) 799-3589

 I wouldn't lose any sleep, worrying about a 28in rimfire barrel slowing the .22lr projectile down too slow, this rifle has a huge following and I'm sure they'd get as good a laugh out of that as I did ¿    If I think about this, will call CZ USA to get the real scoop*It's a good idea to use a canted base, 10 or 20MOA on .22lr shooting 200yd +  CZ USA  1-800-955-4486

I'm just saying you don't gain anything with the long barrels, no reason to have them other than looks or sight radius. And cci isn't exactly made grade ammo :-)

I coulsnt make 250 with subs without a base. But supers aren't really that bad if they shoot well. Got to 275 before running out of adjustment on a friend's .22 with no cant in the base. We did better with .22 than a friend with a .17 was doing.

It was harder doing that than shooting 1100 yards with a friends 338 lapua mag. Every time we shoot it, it's like point and click. Shooting the .22 at 250+ is almost just as fun. And not 75$ per 20 shots. Not quite anyways. Lol. But yeah, its not like you will lose 300fps or anything, you would just have more if you went with a 18. If you are using subs, it's not like you will go super with a shorter barrel. And most companies use what's popular to fire the nicer ammo that they sell, not exactly what is optimal.

Cool subject guys.

[condor22]

 Just curious, can you show me a precision .22lr target rifle with a 16in barrel? All the target rifles I see have much longer barrels.

[westtexasrancher]

Just curious, can you show me a precision .22lr target rifle with a 16in barrel? All the target rifles I see have much longer barrels.

There aren't any, besides souped up 10/22s :-)

I don't want 16" barrels on rimfires either personally.

[condor22]

Just curious, can you show me a precision .22lr target rifle with a 16in barrel? All the target rifles I see have much longer barrels.

There aren't any, besides souped up 10/22s :-)

I don't want 16" barrels on rimfires either personally.

  Yep. Also have a Diana 34p with the JM old school kit I installed. You'll be happy! The firing cycle is a solid thunk.

[westtexasrancher]

Just curious, can you show me a precision .22lr target rifle with a 16in barrel? All the target rifles I see have much longer barrels.

There aren't any, besides souped up 10/22s :-)

I don't want 16" barrels on rimfires either personally.

  Yep. Also have a Diana 34p with the JM old school kit I installed. You'll be happy! The firing cycle is a solid thunk.

Very cool, I'm excited to get it back.

Also excited for the RAW...have a 87cu ft c.f. tank heading my way and don't even have a pcp yet. Lol.

[FrozenVapors]

aahhh okay very good point! I figured the longer the barrel the better the accuracy, similar to the form factor of a sniper rifle.   

[FrozenVapors]

So! After quite a bit of research, i think i found a rifle that best suits my needs! Gonna keep with the 0.177 pellet, Gamo Hunter SuperSport

It's 48" long, all black and have a very nice trigger. They only sell this gun with the scope, even tho i will be putting my Leupold scope on it.

I am planning on drilling and mounting two 4" long 20mm rails on either side of the rifle and i am going to buy side mount bipods. This way it will not get in the way of the spring action

The rifle looks quite accurate from what i've seen, and shoots quite perfectly at 100 yards (which i've decided will be sufficient)

The rail on top is more than long enough for my Leupold scope, but i think i will be either putting rail mounts on the scope, or a 1" rail riser with tri-side rail mounts

I bought this decent laser sight for about $120 yesterday, and will mount it as well

Lastly i plan on mounting a 8" hollow display silen.cer on the end. It has no irons sights, so will mount up perfectly.



I've estimated the rifle will be approximately 53" long once completed, and with everything i plan to add weight in at approximately 12lbs

[Yarp]

Looks great. Good shooting.