EDgun Leshiy Version2 - Gregor Kamenšek accuracy testing

[coolhand]

 Fifty one yards. The scope is a Steiner M332 battle sight, straight 3 power. Could be better with scope but not how I use this rifle in my hunting woods. Was a windy day when I shot, no excuse though. I think I have hung 5 squirrels since getting this gun. Head shots are not an option or you go hungry.....lol. I have shot it at longer ranges, not paper, and have got good results. Seems to shoot in a straight line just need to learn my hold overs. I know that my accuracy can get better with my home pours. When I insert them in magazine some are perfect others are tight, same as Gregor in video, with same results. 

[Nomadic Pirate]

Fifty one yards. The scope is a Steiner M332 battle sight, straight 3 power. Could be better with scope but not how I use this rifle in my hunting woods. Was a windy day when I shot, no excuse though. I think I have hung 5 squirrels since getting this gun. Head shots are not an option or you go hungry.....lol. I have shot it at longer ranges, not paper, and have got good results. Seems to shoot in a straight line just need to learn my hold overs. I know that my accuracy can get better with my home pours. When I insert them in magazine some are perfect others are tight, same as Gregor in video, with same results. 

So I have a question, I'm curious ;

Can you load the magazine from the front ( pellets/bullets backwards ) without taking off the magnetic back part ?

[coolhand]

Nope, appears to be cone shaped? They only load from transfer port side, that is why you need the extra magnet to pull off the black plate that holds the pellets in magazines. I attached some pictures of the magazine and pellets going into it, the center pin goes towards the target when shooting.

[Nomadic Pirate]

Thanks, I was curious about that,
....so the magazine seizes your pellets as you shoot them.

[subscriber]

....so the magazine seizes your pellets as you shoot them.

This makes sense only if the barrel groove diameter is smaller than the mag chamber mouth (as the pellet skirt is sized down too).  Else, the skirt diameter would enters the barrel a lot smaller than groove diameter.

The above makes me wonder what fired pellet bearing surfaces look like, if they can be recovered gently...

[Nomadic Pirate]

....so the magazine seizes your pellets as you shoot them.

This makes sense only if the barrel groove diameter is smaller than the mag chamber mouth (as the pellet skirt is sized down too).  Else, the skirt diameter would enters the barrel a lot smaller than groove diameter.

The above makes me wonder what fired pellet bearing surfaces look like, if they can be recovered gently...

That is exactly why I though it would be like Sumatra and AR6 magazines where the end part is flared open so the pellet skirt can expend,....I think that would be a better design

[subscriber]

I wonder if the sporadic reports of "inaccuracy" with these airguns might be due to people removing the barrels, and on replacing them, really cranking down on the generous number of retention screws.  The result being springing the bore oval, and then causing the pellets to be swaged down as they pass that section of bore, never to be completely stable in the bore again.

The force on the barrel driving it forwards is equal to the projectile friction trying to drag the barrel forward (on loading and shooting, whichever is highest).  If there is a breech O-ring at a diameter larger than the bore, then that annular ring of barrel area will also generate some forward thrust on firing. 

My point is that the force trying to "shoot out" the barrel is actually rather low, and that resisting the cantilever drooping moment in a free floating barrel is actually more challenging.  In the case of the V2 Leshiy, the barrel support and centering appear excellent, even with the screws completely loose - see video from this time stamp:

So, generating a barrel clamping force of 500 lb per screw might be "manly", but it is completely unnecessary.  Some might even call it stupid...

"How tight do you do it?  Tight": 

Yes, the above is speculative, but I am looking for an explanation why some of these airguns shoot great out of the box.  Perhaps the clue is that happy owners tested them extensively before taking them apart.  Any that are then less happy after disassembly and reassembly may blame themselves, rather than what appears to be a precisely crafted machine. 

Confucius might have said; first establish a baseline, before "improving" your new airgun...

[coolhand]

I haven't removed barrel on this gun, but had both my gen-1 Leshiy apart many times. The original is in long 22, the second is in 30. Both are great shooting guns, the thirty is hold sensitive. Ed said that is the choke on the V1, and stated that the new barrels were unchoked, so could be as you stated. Really fun gun like it is, can't wait for next fall when the chestnuts fall as it is a shooting gallery.

[chwillbill68]

I spent several hours today shooting my Leshiy2, 30cal 450mm barrel today.  I had trouble getting anything to group at 50 yards. I have many different slugs and pellets that I tried. I started to notice that changing between different slugs and pellets seemed to affect the group size.  I found one Griffin slug (39grn SLDC) that shot well and the 47.2 grn NSA slug.  I would notice a weird flyer from time to time and I wonder if it is some inconsistency in the velocity (I did not crony any shots) like Gregor had in his updated testing video.  It seemed the more I shot one thing the better and more consistent it was.  I think I attached two of my targets below.  All groups were with the 47.2 NSA  except I did stick one mag of the 39grn Griffins in and for some reason the first round flew high and right then the rest were close.  Wondering what you guys think?

[chwillbill68]

Sorry I attached the same target twice.  Here is the other one.

[chwillbill68]

I guess this thread is to old for anyone to see.  It gave a warning when I posted, but I thought writing in it would bring it back to the top. Guess it doesn’t do that anymore.

[subscriber]

Bill,

I wonder if this video about accuracy improvement will help you:

[chwillbill68]

Bill,

I wonder if this video about accuracy improvement will help you:

I watched his up date and wonder if some of my odd flyers are due to what he said was happening to him while using 30 cal.  He said every now and then a shot would have a 30 fps deviation shot.  I may need to put the crony in front of it at some point just to see. But I was happy with most of those groups I got above at the end of the day.  I should be able to hit some ground hogs in the head out 50 yards anyway. Was hoping some other Leshiy 2 guys would tell us how theirs are doing.

[Rallyshark]

I don't know if this is pertinent, but I do recall seeing a post by Mr. "Edgun" himself stating that he AP barrels do require a bit of leading in to get their full accuracy.  I have found that to be true with the AP barrels I have too. 

[chwillbill68]

I don't know if this is pertinent, but I do recall seeing a post by Mr. "Edgun" himself stating that he AP barrels do require a bit of leading in to get their full accuracy.  I have found that to be true with the AP barrels I have too.

That probably is very true. I shot a good amount through my 350 mm before it started tightening up, and then switched to the 450mm and by the end of the day it started to get better.