Open sights for springers sold without open sights?

[Bullit]

Perhaps you can do a little investigation here on the GTA, as your question is not the first of this type.  It's hard for a 8yr old kid to stress his short arms on young shoulders, with a 35# cocking effort spring a thousand times.   That's needed to break one in good!   If it's work,,,and hard to hit targets with,,,he/she won't do it.   Losing $100 on a gun is still cheaper than the surgeon.

[jungleexplorer]

The 150 dollar part is the killer.
That 36 you have will take just about anything up to and including coons at 20-25 yards.

I know 150 is not much, but there are a lot of good guns in that price range.  I might not get a bunch of frills at that price point, but that is not what matters to me.  I am a get the job done kind of guy. My main concerns are, does it shoot straight, is it powerful enough to kill what I am hunting with it and will it last.

One gun that has my attention is the Crosman Vantage (Not the NP model). Looks a lot like the Quest 1000X which I have killed lots of small animals with.  What I really want is a source for upgrades, like sights and triggers.  I don't mind buying a cheaper gun and improving it with the mods of my choice.  The problem is finding out whether there are parts to mod it with or not.  Wouldn't it be great if there was a site dedicated to this that would offer a cross reference list that would show which parts would fit which guns.

[jungleexplorer]

Perhaps you can do a little investigation here on the GTA, as your question is not the first of this type.  It's hard for a 8yr old kid to stress his short arms on young shoulders, with a 35# cocking effort spring a thousand times.   That's needed to break one in good!   If it's work,,,and hard to hit targets with,,,he/she won't do it.   Losing $100 on a gun is still cheaper than the surgeon.

My son is 10, but is about the size of most 13 year olds.  He stand a head taller then most other kids his age.

[Bullit]

Victor, I knew after I pushed the button, that I opened a can of worms.  My intent is how soft they're joints, etc are. No matter size... but moreover, their age on our good earth.  I'm sure you don't want him swinging a 34/34 bat at this point.  It's the same here.  But you sure won't have problems with LOP!

[PyroMonkey]

As far as specs go.  I wanted try out the Nitro Piston.  The one thing about my RWS 36 that has always bugged me is that it is an off hand gun only.  Because of the recoil, you cannot stabilize it against anything.  The harder you try to hold it still, the worse the accuracy gets. You have to let it have some give if you want to be really accurate with it. I have noticed this effect with other springers I have used as well.  That said, once you learn how to hold it right, you can drive a nail with it.  I don't know much about these gas piston guns, other then what they claim.  They are supposed to be quieter, easier to cock and have less recoil.

Another spec I am looking for is an adjustable trigger.  I bought a Quest from my oldest son about 7 years ago and well, you know about that trigger.

I have always used 1.77 guns, but they require more precision shooting to kill.  That is okay for me because I grew being trained by military championship shooters.  But I would like to try something in .22 cal for more knock down power down range.  Most of the advertised velocities these days are for alloy pellets, but the Benjamin Titan GP Nitro .22 also has a rating for standard lead pellets.  It claims 850 fps for standard lead pellets.  I am sure this is only after a good break in, but even 800 fps would be a lot more kill power then my .177 RWS 36.

In a nutshell my specs are these;

1. Adjustable trigger
2. Gas Piston (Nitro)
3. .22 cal
4. Above 800 fps with standard lead pellet.
5. No scope (I like to choose my scopes and I hate paying more for a gun with a scope only to take it off)
6. Open Sights
7. Under $150

Remember, this if for my son.  The gun I am saving up for myself is the Diana RWS 460 Magnum.  Now there is a real gun!

The only solution I can think of that fits all of those criteria is a crosman titan with a barrel assembly from a crosman 800x.  You'll have to do some modding but at the end of the day you'll have exactly what you want.  Since both of these guns are b19 variants the parts should just bolt right up. 

[jungleexplorer]

Victor, I knew after I pushed the button, that I opened a can of worms.  My intent is how soft they're joints, etc are. No matter size... but moreover, their age on our good earth.  I'm sure you don't want him swinging a 34/34 bat at this point.  It's the same here.  But you sure won't have problems with LOP!

I am sorry.  You must know people on here better then me.  I know I opened the can of worms when I made the scope comment, but I have no idea what can of worms you opened. It seems that it is impossible to start a thread about a dedicated subject these days and not get off into some petty squabble. Guess we have too much time on our hands in this country.  Once the economy collapses and the dollar becomes worthless, I bet these squabbles will not matter that much anymore.  Now there is a real can of worms for you! LOL!

What does LOP stand for?

[thekid]

Length of pull= LOP.

[Bullit]

LOP means the same as always has to all shooting disciplines. LOP=Length Of Pull   Thanks for the verification kid.
It was a compliment to your son's size Victor....
Believe us Victor...we mean very well to y'all in this new hobby.