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Well, my grandfather found out that I nailed (100%) all of my midterms (four classes) and decided he wants to get me a gift since I'm the first of his sons and grandsons to go to college. He's asked me to choose a nice air rifle of my choice with the stipulation that it is a gun that I've wanted for a long time, but could never bring myself to drop the money on. Easy choice for me, a German springer! So, I've been poking around. Here are my options.
HW30S .177 - On sale, NIB, for $299
HW95 .22 - On sale, NIB, for $330
Walther LGV .22 - Used, like new, for $325
Which would you choose? My goal is feathered pest control (from sparrow size all the way up to collared dove/feral pigeon size) 30 yards and in.
If I got the HW30S, I'd shoot it as is then, when money becomes available, send it to a tuner to get a full tune and to get a 10-11 fpe kit. I don't know if this would make that little of a gun too harsh firing though?
If I got the HW95, I'd once again shoot it as is, but I'd definitely get it off to a tuner ASAP to get it de-tuned to 11-12 fpe
The Walther is used, but like new. It is shooting right at 11.7 fpe, which is the power I want. I don't know if I'd do anything to this gun except try and find a wood stock for it since it is the synthetic version.
Couple of considerations. The Walther is manufactured by Umarex if I'm not mistaken. I've heard heaps upon heaps of bad experiences regarding their warranty and customer service. However, I've never heard anything of Weihrauch's customer service, good or bad.
Last consideration. I've never, never been able to shoot any springer well past 15 yards, except a fully tuned XS12 that I used to own. I'm not good at the artillery hold, so I need a docile shooter. That's why the HW95 would be going in for a detune ASAP.
With this information, which would you choose?
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Point of information - Umarex doesn't manufacture anything. They're strictly an importer and distributor.
I'd probably look real hard at the LGV, but if you're looking at the HW30 you may want to put the HW50 under consideration.
I'm thinking LGV because it's reputed to be quite good, though Weihrauch does have a fantastic trigger. Hard choices.
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Well, my grandfather found out that I nailed (100%) all of my midterms (four classes) and decided he wants to get me a gift since I'm the first of his sons and grandsons to go to college. He's asked me to choose a nice air rifle of my choice with the stipulation that it is a gun that I've wanted for a long time, but could never bring myself to drop the money on. Easy choice for me, a German springer! So, I've been poking around. Here are my options.
HW30S .177 - On sale, NIB, for $299
HW95 .22 - On sale, NIB, for $299
Walther LGV .22 - Used, like new, for $325
Which would you choose? My goal is feathered pest control (from sparrow size all the way up to collared dove/feral pigeon size) 30 yards and in.
If I got the HW30S, I'd shoot it as is then, when money becomes available, send it to a tuner to get a full tune and to get a 10-11 fpe kit. I don't know if this would make that little of a gun too harsh firing though?
If I got the HW95, I'd once again shoot it as is, but I'd definitely get it off to a tuner ASAP to get it de-tuned to 11-12 fpe
The Walther is used, but like new. It is shooting right at 11.7 fpe, which is the power I want. I don't know if I'd do anything to this gun except try and find a wood stock for it since it is the synthetic version.
Couple of considerations. The Walther is manufactured by Umarex if I'm not mistaken. If heard heaps upon heaps of bad experiences regarding their warranty and customer service. However, I've never heard anything of Weihrauch's customer service, good or bad.
Last consideration. I've never, never been able to shoot any springer well past 15 yards, except a fully tuned XS12 that I used to own. I'm not good at the artillery hold, so I need a docile shooter. That's why the HW95 would be going in for a detune ASAP.
Which this information, which would you choose?
You can email Umarex about stock price and availability for the LGV. I've shot an LGU tuned to sub 12fpe in .177 and it was very calm and accurate. If you can get a wood stock, the Walther sounds like it's exactly what you are looking for- very easy to shoot with good power.
The HW95, in my opinion, is the perfect general use air rifle. There is nothing it can't do well. Mine, an old R9, has been the most reliable, versatile, and accurate airgun I've ever owned. Mine was twangy when new, but very accurate, so I invested in a kit to make it a sweeter shooter.
Personally, I'd want more gun than a 30s for 30 yard pigeons. Have you considered the HW50S? It's close to the power level you want and has a nice wood stock. Pretty easy to shoot, too. I have one in .177. It was twangy in stock form so I kitted it, but is very accurate and easy handling.
Good luck! And good job at school!
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I would have to agree if you are interested in the 10-12 fpe range (and that is a very good thing , and whole heartedly support) then add the HW50 to your list as it is in the same ballpark $$ wise. That said if more money is available get the HW35 as it is a true classic and in this case something very fitting for the occasion you will remember the rest of your life. Otherwise I would get the HW95 but in .177 caliber. The HW30 will also work for what you want to do as-is but do not try to up the power to 10+FPE. That ain't going to work. I have no experience with the LGV. I know they are good but the HWs seems to be finished off better to me. Since this is a special occasion rifle get one as pretty as you can get because I doubt you will sell it.
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I really dig the specs and look of the HW50S. That'll have to be given serious consideration.
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a 10 fpe 30s? no....
A 95 in .177 with a 12 fpe kit = Sweeeet!.
Or as stated- a 50s in .177....can't go wrong.
Congrats- Good luck & Happy Shootin!
Petey.
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I'd get the RWS 350 Frankenfurter Pro Compact. $359 on sale.
https://www.pyramydair.com/product/diana-rws-350-feuerkraft-pro-compact?m=1502 (https://www.pyramydair.com/product/diana-rws-350-feuerkraft-pro-compact?m=1502)
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470th or 56th.
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Or, the Rws 34 Pro Compact
https://www.pyramydair.com/product/diana-rws-34-meisterschutze-pro-compact-t06?m=1496 (https://www.pyramydair.com/product/diana-rws-34-meisterschutze-pro-compact-t06?m=1496)
$319 on sale.
This one is a little lighter.
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The 34 just doesn't do it for me. It's like the "cheap" German rifle. I want something that turns me on every time I go to shoot it.
I found a D48 for $300. I could detune that to 11-12 fpe. Good option?
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Wierauch HW 50S
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I like the side lever.
But I like the sleek stocks on the pro compacts.
The Beeman R9 looks very nice, but mo money.
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HW 30S lexus $339 + Vortek kit
HW 50S $369
HW 35e $495
HW95 lexus $449
In that order
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We've got $350 to play with. My grandfather is not a wealthy man, and I tried to graciously decline, but he adamantly insisted. So I insisted that he allow me to limit myself to $350. I might stretch it to $375.
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Side levers (48,52,54) are awkward to cock/load, in the field, and are heavy. The 350 is long, heavy, with a loong stroke and kicks like a mule. The HW50 has the jointed cocking link that galls the main tube. The R9/HW95 would be my choice. Easy to handle, work on, tunable from mild to wild, very accurate and probably the best trigger in the bunch. Yes, I have owned and/or shot all these models and more.
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Terry, does the the HW30S suffer from the same compression tube galling as the 50S?
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not the new ones... in my opinion and i have owned all the options above i would go for the HW50s in .22 or second best choice, the LGV. in fact, if you dont buy it let me know where to get it please...lol
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Terry, does the the HW30S suffer from the same compression tube galling as the 50S?
The new 50S cocking arms come with a factory insert to prevent galling, and cock silky smooth. I think the late model 30S cocking arms are also improved.
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The short stroke of the piston in the HW50S makes it the easiest to shoot HW I've owned. Nearly zero hold sensitivity. The shot cycle is just a super quick "snap" and it's over. They do great tuned up to about 11fpe, and are super light to carry around. Mine is the most accurate HW I've owned. Even out of all my PCPs and other springers, it's killed more squirrels than any other. I can't brag on it enough, it's the best shooting springer I've shot.
I'm sure the HW30 is just as easy to shoot, and easier to cock. But the HW50s is a more adult sized rifle and has the right amount of power to make a great hunter or target rig. Plus the stock is the nicest on any of the HW sporter lineup.
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Having a vortek'd R9 in .177, I would have to recommend the HW95. They come a little twangy but still perfectly usable, but a kit of just about any kind makes it a super sweet shooter. I like mine more at 15fpe than I think I would at 12fpe. It's point blank range is something like 14 to 34 yards with a .5" kill zone.
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+1 on theHW95 with the 12fpe tune or the HW50, and you might not even need to tune the 50.
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I own the R 7 and LGV. I used to own the HW50s.
The R7 is all they say it is, but I would definitely NOT bump up its power to 11ft/lbs. I'm sure it wil totally change the character of the gun, and not for the better. You can shoot it for hours without getting tired from cocking it.
The HW50s does have more power than the R7. I know some will disagree, but it is way harder to cock for that added power. I couldn't go through a long shooting session with that gun so I sold it.
The LGV in .22 would more likely meet your requirements of " turns me on every time I go to shoot it." I really enjoy the solid and smooth "thunk" of the gun. It is very accurate as I'm sure you've heard-easy cocking, too. $325 for a "like new" gun is a good deal to me.
You didn't mention how you intend to use the gun. If it will be used as a hunter then maybe you won't mind the heavier cocking effort of the HW. Also, the LGV is hefty and you may not want to schlep it through the woods as a field gun.
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My vote is for either the HW95 or the HW50s. I have both, and prefer the HW50s for it's size and weight. Mine has a home lube tune and is a sweet shooter at about the power level you want. To me, the HW95 is second place, and the HW30 is a great little plinker, but not a hunter IMO. I'm probably your grandfathers age, so the size/weight is important.
Best of luck with your choice. You have a very nice grandfather!
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Side levers (48,52,54) are awkward to cock/load, in the field, and are heavy. The 350 is long, heavy, with a loong stroke and kicks like a mule. The HW50 has the jointed cocking link that galls the main tube. The R9/HW95 would be my choice. Easy to handle, work on, tunable from mild to wild, very accurate and probably the best trigger in the bunch. Yes, I have owned and/or shot all these models and more.
No more galling == new design has fixed it.
Besides--- the old design didn't gall too badly and usaully stopped after a couple of tins . ( based on my experience).
Happy SHootin To All!
Petey
50S with a Maccari kit= smoothest of the bunch. Good power to weight and very comfy to shoulder.
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Thanks for all the replies guys! I didn't think I'd get so many. Here I am so far
HW30 - I really like it. Like, a lot. Would you guys trust it to kill a collared dove out to 20 yards?
HW50S - This one seems perfect for me, but it's the most expensive of the bunch at $380 at PA.
HW95 - Probably not going to go with this one since I would just invest money in turning it down to 50S levels anyway.
Walther LGV - Something about this gun... Every time I talk myself into one of these HW's, I always stop short because of this gun. It's usually over $500 bucks and my grandfather can get it like new for $325. That seems like a screaming deal to me.
Right now, it's between the 30S and the LGV. If you guys think the 30S is capable of dispatching doves out to 20-25 yards and sparrows/starlings out to 30 yards, then I'm going to get it.
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Thanks for all the replies guys! I didn't think I'd get so many. Here I am so far
HW30 - I really like it. Like, a lot. Would you guys trust it to kill a collared dove out to 20 yards?
HW50S - This one seems perfect for me, but it's the most expensive of the bunch at $380 at PA.
HW95 - Probably not going to go with this one since I would just invest money in turning it down to 50S levels anyway.
Walther LGV - Something about this gun... Every time I talk myself into one of these HW's, I always stop short because of this gun. It's usually over $500 bucks and my grandfather can get it like new for $325. That seems like a screaming deal to me.
Right now, it's between the 30S and the LGV. If you guys think the 30S is capable of dispatching doves out to 20-25 yards and sparrows/starlings out to 30 yards, then I'm going to get it.
I like that little HW30 too. Looks like a fun plinker. Collared dove at 20 yards might be close to it's limits, but I think it would work.
The Walther is obviously a great deal if you want a larger target type rifle. Or if that's what your grandfather wants to buy you. Sometimes old farts have a certain wisdom about them.
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My grandfather doesn't know anything about airguns. He just loves it when I come over to show him my latest projectile shooting toys. I actually bought him an XS12 that he keeps by the back door to keep the sparrows out of his apricot tree. He had an old 760 as a kid but he hasn't gone any further.
I wonder, if I added to my grandfather's contributions and stretched the budget to $400, if I could find a used HW97 for that price. I've wanted an HW97 in a bad way for years.
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Thanks for all the replies guys! I didn't think I'd get so many. Here I am so far
HW30 - I really like it. Like, a lot. Would you guys trust it to kill a collared dove out to 20 yards?
HW50S - This one seems perfect for me, but it's the most expensive of the bunch at $380 at PA.
HW95 - Probably not going to go with this one since I would just invest money in turning it down to 50S levels anyway.
Walther LGV - Something about this gun... Every time I talk myself into one of these HW's, I always stop short because of this gun. It's usually over $500 bucks and my grandfather can get it like new for $325. That seems like a screaming deal to me.
Right now, it's between the 30S and the LGV. If you guys think the 30S is capable of dispatching doves out to 20-25 yards and sparrows/starlings out to 30 yards, then I'm going to get it.
I have a Beeman R7(HW 30S), Walters LGV in .22 shooting around 12 fp and a HW 97. They are all very accurate. I've shot a .11" 5 shot group with the R7 at 25 yards and last night 4 confirmed kills and a probable 5th-flies at 25 yards with the LGV. 8) The LGV trigger is not nearly as good, at lest mine isn't, as the HW triggers but it still shoots very accurately. The HW97 is a big heavy rife and is much harder to cock than the R7 and LGV and for me is more hold sensitive. The LGV cocks almost as easily as the R7. I also have a HW 80 in .22 shooting around 20 fp and a FBW 300s. I like them all but shoot the R7 and LGV the most.
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I have little knowledge about the AG's on your list, but for me slings are mandatory, I have carried my D54 in the woods one time and I hope its the last time, matter of fact I picked the D52 which is a D48 with a lux stock because I felt it was the best AG that I am aware of to install sling mounts. I like the side lever, if I was taking a bunch of shoots (which is not the case for the hunting I do) a break barrel would probably be easier, but then you have the sling issue.
I also like a side lever because I can leave it on my bags, fire control, and field pod and not have to remove, cock, load set it back on the bags etc. and just shoot.
From your list, I would like to try the Walther, I think it may be the latest release/design/modern AG that I am aware of.
Good luck
E
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From your list... The LGV by far....!!!
No need to tune, in fact a very sweet shotcycle without twang straight out of the box. Not hold senstive at all.
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Yeah. The HW 97 is heavy and a bit awkward for field use. The HW30s I have had are nice, light, accurate shooters. Suitable for small pests in the yard.
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"...a break barrel would probably be easier, but then you have the sling issue.
My first several springers ('80s HWs, FWB124s), all had slings. Still have a few in use. Used the Uncle Mike's barrel bands with swivel screwed in at the buttstock. Slings help for longer treks in the boonies or for heavier airguns.
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My pesting is all urban, so a sling is not a necessity.
I'm really leaning towards biding my time for a 97. My pesting is all stationary so weight is not an issue. It's probably preferable since it will deaden the shot cycle.
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HW 30S lexus $339 + Vortek kit
HW 50S $369
HW 35e $495
HW95 lexus $449
I own the first three and a very early version of the HW95 (Marksman 7*). I also own a wood stocked LGV, that i left out because the build quality is nowhere near the HW's. If you want a heirloom gun get the HW35E with It's walnut stock. IIRC that is about $250 off of what it used to sell for. Is this galling problem is something new? all my HW's had about 1000 shots to break in. imho if it ain't broke don't fix it....lol ;)
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I'm going to throw out a few other German suggestions. Look for a used FWB in perhaps a little bit cosmetic shape to get to your $400 budget. I'd also do the same for an HW55. The HW55 is an almost perfect blend of size, power, weight and accuracy in a break barrel, that with a barrel lock, has the advantages of a fixed barrel in my opinion. Whatever you get, I'm sure you'll treasure it and have loads of fun shooting it. ;D
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I have the LGV Challenger .22 with metal tuning trigger Motorhead tuned, I have an HW95 .177 PG2 kit in it, Motorhead tuned. Go with the LGV .22 and get the metal tuning trigger for it. It'll shoot 5 shot one hole groups for you @ 30 yards all day, easy to cock, bank vault lockup, about 11ft/lbs ;)
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Well, my grandfather found out that I nailed (100%) all of my midterms (four classes) and decided he wants to get me a gift since I'm the first of his sons and grandsons to go to college. He's asked me to choose a nice air rifle of my choice with the stipulation that it is a gun that I've wanted for a long time, but could never bring myself to drop the money on. Easy choice for me, a German springer! So, I've been poking around. Here are my options.
HW30S .177 - On sale, NIB, for $299
HW95 .22 - On sale, NIB, for $330
Walther LGV .22 - Used, like new, for $325
Which would you choose?
HW30S, no Vortek kit, and yes on the intended use (see straightshooters.com "our take" for the fpe at given ranges)
Definitely post pics when you get it, definitely keep up the good grades please!
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I know this is the German Gate, but I posted this topic because I feel like most high quality springers are German. Feel free to recommend good *whisper* British guns, or any others that you know of.
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Lots of great suggestions given by folks that know air guns. Decisions are very tough when you're wanting to get it right. I too am a grandfather & have waited a long time for a nice air rifle.
My first was an HW95L in .22 caliber. Wish I had not waited so long to get my feet wet. Have had a blast shooting it & the other two. This rifle was quite twangy at first, but after four tins plus it is very smooth.
Number two is an R7 in .177. It has been a joy as well. Very easy to cock, have not noticed any twang or vibration. It is like most all rifles mentioned ( more accurate than I am ) a pleasure to shoot.
Number three has become my favorite. The HW50 S in .177. It is much harder to cock than the HW95 but has gotten easier or maybe I got a wee bit stronger. It is still twangy after more than four tins but it seems to be the most accurate for me. It could be that the weight & longer length of pull fits me better than the R7.
Good luck with your decision......... Sure you will be happy with any of those mentioned
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The 50S is a great gun. The only downside is the cocking effort for the power level. Get the 95 and drop in a 50 spring and instant sub 12 fpe. Much easier to cock than a 50S.
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Hello,
I haven't shot the Walther, but several German rifles, as many here have. My personal favorites are the FWB 124s that I have, they shoot between 11 & 12 Ft lb, as they were tuned for smoothness. They are .177. I like them because they are light, accurate, and the trigger has a nice reach to it. The HWs just have too long a reach for my trigger finger and grip, more so than just about any rifle that I have ever held, including powder burners, that come to mind. Hence, they get set back triggers installed by many owners. This is important to me, because a rifle that feels comfortable to hold will be enjoyable to shoot and you may shoot it better. If you like the feel of one in hand, let that guide your decision for they are all nice rifles. And yes, the British rifles are nice as well. My brothers tx200 is the easiest thing to shoot accurately and the trigger reach and stock are splendid. The pellet leaves the short barrel very quickly reducing the chance for shooter error and they have little vibration. Personally, I would stay with a .177 for the trajectory and cost of pellets. I haven't shot the new Walthers but would love to.
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Christopher--You won't have any trouble cocking the 50S, unless you have a physical handicap. It is only slightly harder than the HW95 due to the shorter lever arm. I regularly shoot mine 80 or 90 pellets worth at a time without to much strain. :D
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Congrats and good work on the grades.
For the useage you describe, the hw30 or hw50 in .177 would be my choices.
There is a reason the hw30 is so widely loved. It is a pleasure to shoot, light and very accurate. It can easily drop collared dove out to 30 yards.
Good luck choosing
R
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Says the guy with TWO R7's.
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Congrats and good work on the grades.
For the useage you describe, the hw30 or hw50 in .177 would be my choices.
There is a reason the hw30 is so widely loved. It is a pleasure to shoot, light and very accurate. It can easily drop collared dove out to 30 yards.
Good luck choosing
R
+1
The 50s with a JM kit is very sweet as well.....no hard cocking. After Four shoulder surgeries it's still one of my favorites.
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As I suspected when i saw the title of you post, you'd be bombarded with suggestions and I was right. :)
If your budget has been upped to the point where you can afford it, I would strongly make another recommendation for the 35E. It's a short stroke gun, very accurate and, more importantly, something special in the HW line in terms of fit and finish and that's saying something. We have the HW30S and the 97K, but pride of ownership with the 35E is unmatched for me.
As for the HW30S, you should and probably will get one at some point, but another vote for not trying to turn into something it's not. Take it out of the box and shoot it and it just keeps getting better. By far, my most used air gun.
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As for the HW30S, you should and probably will get one at some point, but another vote for not trying to turn into something it's not. Take it out of the box and shoot it and it just keeps getting better. By far, my most used air gun.
i would also add that its a very small rifle ;)
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As for the HW30S, you should and probably will get one at some point, but another vote for not trying to turn into something it's not. Take it out of the box and shoot it and it just keeps getting better. By far, my most used air gun.
I have two HW30's and installed the Vortek kit in one just out of curiosity . I could care less what the FPE is, the shot cycle is shorter, more of a "snap". Not better or worse just different
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Buy one of each... then all you have to do is decide which to get "first" ;D
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I would honestly suggest an HW95 with a 12fpe kit,or an RWS 34 with similar kit. If you must get an HW50S ,get one of the new models that comes with a nylon insert in the cocking lever. Avoid the HW30S for now.
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The 97 would be a fine choice, and you'll keep it for years. Thank your Grandfather and carry it with pride! ;)
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HW35E
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I have had the 50 and sold it, because of the twang and cocking effort. I have a 97k with which i shoot HFT and it is accurate like a PCP, but heavy. If i go to the range i ussually shoot some HFT targets with it, but it is so aacurate it gets boring. You don't carry it around for fun. I also have a 30S, which has the same magnificent Rekord trigger as the 97, but is much lighter, easier cocking, no twang and very accurate. If there is not to much wind this 7 fpe gun will drop HFT targets out to 43 meters almost with the same ease as the 97k. 1/2 inch groups at 30m are easy. It should be no problem giving squirrels or doves a headshot at 25-30m. Of these three guns i like the 30S the most.
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Good grief, get the LGV trust me on this. I've shot an R9,I wouldn't trade my LGV for one.
Read the threads regarding the LGVs' and they all share one common trait,accuracy.
They are not hold sensitive,and the triggers can be greatly improved in about 10 min.
Unbox it and shoot, no tune needed.
Most important though,well done on those midterms!
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Good grief, get the LGV trust me on this. I've shot an R9,I wouldn't trade my LGV for one.
Read the threads regarding the LGVs' and they all share one common trait,accuracy.
They are not hold sensitive,and the triggers can be greatly improved in about 10 min.
Unbox it and shoot, no tune needed.
Most important though,well done on those midterms!
I have a R7, a Diana(RWS) 34, a Umarex Fuel, a Walther LGV and some PCP rifles. Being spoiled by PCPs, I don't shoot piston guns very well. However, two piston rifles that I can shoot well are the FWB 300S and the Walther LGV. The LGV is not hold sensitive, and it is very mild.
Shooting the RWS 34 and Umarex Fuel makes my right ear ring. The LGV, on the other hand, just makes a doink sound. Mine is a .177 shooting 14+ FPE using JSB heavies.
Because the LGV is such a mild gun, it is easier on scopes, too!
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R9! Tune it hot or tune it 12 FPE, best trigger, light and time tested.
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this is too funny..... Pick me Monty!
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;D My vote for break barrel is still the RX2 yes pricey but dang it is a 20 fpe nail driving hammer and pretty for sure with the laminated stock
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Get a HW 50 S and later on add a muzzle brake - looks very good and makes it easier to cock.
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I have owned the HW97k..., I still own the D34..., I have shot with the HW90, the HW95, the HW50 and the D48. And recently I have shot with the Walther LGV...
And now I'm hooked. I want the LGV !!! The experience from this airgun is of outer space !
So long story short, don't look any further - if you can affort the LGV you'll never look back.
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Oh this is a no brainer-- the HW30/R7 all the way. Its plenty for the cruitters you want to take out to 30yds. Thats what I use mine for including head shot grey squirrel. It is so accurate the little sparrow has no chance. Also its so light and easy to cock you will smile more and more as you use it.I will never understand the need to pay for a magnum sized rifle like the R(/HW95 and then detune down. That is ridiculous. Ive had the Hw50s and it is a great medium gun that will work bear in mind that it cocks much harder and sized larger and heavier than the little jewel the HW30s/ R7. Simply put that is a must own springer IMO !! GEt a nice BEeman SS# 1-4 on it and youll never look back.
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Thank you guys for the suggestions. I'm still looking. I'm not totally comfortable with my grandfather paying for all of it. He's not rich by any stretch of the imagination, so we've settled on 50/50. I'm currently looking at a Diana 52 from a member here. It is in .177 and currently does a hair under 17 fpe. If I got it, I would purchase a Vortek 12 fpe kit for it.
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Thank you guys for the suggestions. I'm still looking. I'm not totally comfortable with my grandfather paying for all of it. He's not rich by any stretch of the imagination, so we've settled on 50/50. I'm currently looking at a Diana 52 from a member here. It is in .177 and currently does a hair under 17 fpe. If I got it, I would purchase a Vortek 12 fpe kit for it.
I have both a 48 and 52 (same gun, different stock) and am quite happy with both. Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't see the purpose of detuning an already accurate, hard hitting gun to 12 fpe. If that fpe is your goal (legal reasons?) there are many other lighter, more nimble guns out there...D34, HW30, etc. Not trying to dissuade you, just wondering why.
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For a springer I'd say TX200. Not German but it has a ball bearing Rekord trigger that is awesome. Easy to cock as an underlever and stupid accurate. For german, how about a used HW90 and a pump kit? With a little tuning you can have 12FPE or 23FPE and anything in between. Or if you want CO2 fun, Hammerli 850 with 9oz bottle, hammer and trigger mod. Now that's some serious fun. During warm days 85F the Hammerli will shoot 805fps with 14.86gn pellets.
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I have a model 52 I have owned since the 90's. Great shooter! If the price is right, you can't go wrong. I personally like the side lever. It is one of the last rifles I would part with. It is a bit heavy if you plan to carry it around, but accuracy and power are great.
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I think the HW95 for $299 plus shipping would be my choice. Being its a gift for a special occasion from your grandfather you will more than likely own this springer for a long time.
The 95 comes shooting 15 - 17 fpe in 22 cal. Down the road you install or send it out for a 12 fpe tune. Keep the original spring so you can restore it to factory.
IMO if you have a choice whatever you buy should be new. If it arrives with a problem you can return it or have it fixed without spending more money. If your going used buy from a place or someone that will let you return it if there is a problem.
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I've got the LGV Challenger and love it! Only one problem, my shoulders are bad. I'm having surgery on my left the 17 of Nov. It's a .177 at around 11 ft.lbs. Haven't shot in a while but it's the boss! I also have a R7 and RWS 34p, their good guns but can't compete with the lgv. I'll sell it to you for $275.00 shipped. I think it's 9 out 10. It like crosman 10.5 um domes, hunting pointer pellets, and Winchester 9.8 domes.
Don
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I've got the LGV Challenger and love it! Only one problem, my shoulders are bad. I'm having surgery on my left the 17 of Nov. It's a .177 at around 9+ ft.lbs. Haven't shot in a while but it's the boss! I also have a R7 and RWS 34p, their good guns but can't compete with the lgv. I'll sell it to you for $275.00 shipped. I think it's 9 out 10. It like crosman 10.5 um domes, hunting pointer pellets, and Winchester 9.8 domes.
Don
you can do what you want but I don't think I ever saw surgery fixing a shoulder. all I heard was guys going back for another go round some guys with 3 surgeries. they are good for the doctors bank account. that rifle sounds good can you give me info on it?
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I've got the LGV Challenger and love it! Only one problem, my shoulders are bad. I'm having surgery on my left the 17 of Nov. It's a .177 at around 9+ ft.lbs. Haven't shot in a while but it's the boss! I also have a R7 and RWS 34p, their good guns but can't compete with the lgv. I'll sell it to you for $275.00 shipped. I think it's 9 out 10. It like crosman 10.5 um domes, hunting pointer pellets, and Winchester 9.8 domes.
Don
you can do what you want but I don't think I ever saw surgery fixing a shoulder. all I heard was guys going back for another go round some guys with 3 surgeries. they are good for the doctors bank account. that rifle sounds good can you give me info on it?
I fell and dislocated my left shoulder and tor up some ligaments. I'm 58 and going to retire and I'm not going to be crippled. It just so happens that I'm a south paw.
As far as the lvg, it great. No spring torque. Nice trigger, I put a longer adjustment screw in the trigger, the original was to short and was not doing anything other then looking like it was. Just to get people to buy their aftermarket trigger. I take it out and target shoot in the backyard. I don't hunt with it, it's to heavy. One tiny thin scratch on the barrel a little blueing is gone, no metal damage. I took a sharpy and touched it up. This gun makes you look better! It's a pretty gun as well. Don
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Chris, Shopping is half the fun. I will be watching among the others so keep us posted! I don't have enough experience to have intelligent input, but I think you are wise to seek a well tested, proven platform.
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mister meener says: you can do what you want but I don't think I ever saw surgery fixing a shoulder. all I heard was guys going back for another go round some guys with 3 surgeries. they are good for the doctors bank account. that rifle sounds good can you give me info on it?
This is OT, but four of my friends have had their rotator cuff etc. operated on laparoscopically during the last 2-3 years by the same doc and, except for one who's still recovering (2nd month, but already in a pretty good shape), they're all back on the court playing again a mean game of tennis. These "shoulder" surgeries are very tricky and their success really depends on the surgeon's level of expertise. Take your time and choose wisely!
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mister meener says: you can do what you want but I don't think I ever saw surgery fixing a shoulder. all I heard was guys going back for another go round some guys with 3 surgeries. they are good for the doctors bank account. that rifle sounds good can you give me info on it?
This is OT, but four of my friends have had their rotator cuff etc. operated on laparoscopically during the last 2-3 years by the same doc and, except for one who's still recovering (2nd month, but already in a pretty good shape), they're all back on the court playing again a mean game of tennis. These "shoulder" surgeries are very tricky and their success really depends on the surgeon's level of expertise. Take your time and choose wisely!
Hope it works for you can you give me some info on that rifle
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Here we are, three months removed from my OP and I finally got a German springer!
A 1993, Santa Rosa era, R7 in .177!
(http://i836.photobucket.com/albums/zz287/footballplayerchris/F4E5FA89-738F-4599-B524-550479ECE125_zpsstajampp.jpg)
And a 30 yard target, 5 shots. .177 pellet for scale. The 10 circle is 1" for scale.
(http://i836.photobucket.com/albums/zz287/footballplayerchris/491DB4B6-8F74-458F-A74B-79B78284D500_zpsrtxkrrow.jpg)
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;D Sweet rifle Chris
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Schnitzelgugen!!!
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Nice!
When you get done fussing with your new rifle, please take out the trash in the corner. Thank you.
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You're gonna love that R7 and it should be easy on your shoulder. I converted one poster in thread--I guess he has two now--and I have another one in .22 on the way, myself.
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Nice!
When you get done fussing with your new rifle, please take out the trash in the corner. Thank you.
Haha. I keep the R7 at my parents' house since my apartment is none too gun friendly. My little brother was deep cleaning his room. What you see there is a laundry basket full of clothes with an orange towel sitting on top.
It's starting to get a bit warmer around here which means that the 2+ feet of snow that's been everywhere is starting to melt. I'm hoping that it'll be melted enough for me to trudge through by Friday so I can go hunting with this little guy. Stay tuned!
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Here we are, three months removed from my OP and I finally got a German springer!
A 1993, Santa Rosa era, R7 in .177!
Nice lookin rifle and shot group! What you got on her for a scope?
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Only one way to solve it. More pics.
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Your Struggle is in selecting which German air rifle?
Was that intentional? Because either way pretty funny.
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Here we are, three months removed from my OP and I finally got a German springer!
A 1993, Santa Rosa era, R7 in .177!
Nice lookin rifle and shot group! What you got on her for a scope?
Just a little 4x scope. It's not fancy, but the reticle is nice and thin so it is a pleasure to shoot
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Tinker and tune = Weihrauch
Out of the box and ready to go = Walther
So up to you, you can't go wrong with either brand.
At least I wouldn't go for the HW30s, unless you're a small guy or a lady. Then you better could choose the already proposed HW50s. A very fine shooter.
OOPS and edit !!!
You already have the R7 now LOL
Enjoy her !
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I'm not small, I guess. I'm built like a Scotsman. I'm 5'9" with calves and biceps as big as small trees. So I can handle the weight of large guns, however an LOP of around 12-13" feels best to me. The R7 actually fits perfectly!
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Your Struggle is in selecting which German air rifle?
Was that intentional? Because either way pretty funny.
Now that's funny! Mein Kampf.
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I'd suggest the HW50 also in 22 caliber. Send it out for a tune and install the Vortek kit. The only reason I'd say get it tuned would be to get rid of the piece of material that the factory has installed in the cocking arm to stop the cocking arm from scratching the main tube.
I still prefer having the entire arm filled and shaped for smoothness. You'll end with a accurate mid sized rifle that will produce 13 FPE. John