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Ordered a Woods Walker Marauder Pistol Monday and got it today.
My first impression is, absolutely perfect, this is a sweet little .22 cal for sure. I ordered the package deal from Walmart with CenterPoint P2 Series 16x50mm Binoculars and CenterPoint 1x25 Tactical Scope (I believe thats the one). Anyway, I never expected such a nice setup, the gun is light weight and solid as a rock, its a dream to hold in your hands! The scope is great for probably 25 yards max if you want to stack pellets, but after that the lighted dots are very large (would cover a whole squirrels head at 30 yards easily) but it is a good little scope for close range thats for sure.
I shot groups with it straight out of the box at 15 yards and it will stack pellets with no problem, I did shoot some at 30 yards but the lighted cross hair dots cover to much area, but I still got a 1/2" group from sand bags with the rear stock on it. I can only imagine what it will do with a good 3-9x scope on it ;D
http://www.walmart.com/ip/Benjamin-Woods-Walker-22Cal-Pcp-Small-Game-Bundle/36463956 (http://www.walmart.com/ip/Benjamin-Woods-Walker-22Cal-Pcp-Small-Game-Bundle/36463956)
I am telling you if you dont own one of these Prods you don't know what your missing! So save up and get one!
Oh, and the binoculars are really good quallity for what they are, Crystal clear and powerful, they also feel really well built.
I did have just enough time to shoot 8 shots of 15.9 JSB's over the Chronograph from about 2600 PSI down to 2000 PSI and they all shot in the 640 to 645 FPS range. I will do a full string this weekend with JSB 15.9 and Crossman 14.3 grain to see how it all stacks up. I will also shoot some group shots with each at around 20 to 25 yards with the 1x scope and I may put on a 3-9x and see what it will do farther out!
Don't let this thing fool you it does pack a wallop for its size thats for sure.
My likes are:
1. Accurate straight out of the box.
2. Powerful for a Pistol. 645 FPS 15.9 grain JSB
3. Trigger is perfect, light but not to light out of the box.
4. Lite weight and easy to handle.
5. About 30 usable shots with a 2900 PSI fill out of the box. Probably after a little more power tune 24 shots will be what I get!
6. Very Quiet
7. Hangs on my bedroom door knob perfectly with the carbine stock attached lol
My Dislikes:
1. Check rest needs to be higher (which is an easy fix).
2. Stock did move a little after installing, but a tiny piece of foam tape fixed that with no problem.
Below is some pics of groups and of the gun.
Those groups are the First Fill up and no refills as well the First 20 shots out of this gun and no barrel cleaning, I shot these groups at 15 yards while i was sighting the scope in. I used 15.9 grain JSB's loaded in the magazine.
William
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Very nice I may have to add a .22 P-Rod to my want list
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Very nice I may have to add a .22 P-Rod to my want list
I tell you I was a little afraid of what it was really like until I got it, I tell you when I pulled it out of the box I almost cried it was so sweet! Then the very first 5 shots at 15 yards stacked pellets, you cannot ask for any better, I am in love, I see my .22 pellet funds are going to dwindle fast lol.
If you put a good sharp scope on this thing and give it a little bit of a power tune I bet it will out shoot the best rifles at 35 yards with no problem!
;D ;D ;D ;D
You guys think I just kidding, but I'm not, I just cannot believe how nice this is, if they made the Marauder rifle lighter and a little bit smaller and put the quality into it like they did this little pistol, they would not be able to make the Rifle fast enough!
William
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Those are some great results with your PRod!
Mine did not come that accurate out of the box, and I haven't spent too much time to fine tune it yet. My chrony strings were not as consistent as yours either, if I remember correctly. Maybe it is time to put more effort into tuning my PRod!
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Those are some great results with your PRod!
Mine did not come that accurate out of the box, and I haven't spent too much time to fine tune it yet. My chrony strings were not as consistent as yours either, if I remember correctly. Maybe it is time to put more effort into tuning my PRod!
If I were you I would get it out and spend time with it, I really was surprised, at first when I shot the first shot it was about 6" left and a couple inches high, then I fired the second and third shots, I swear it was shotgunning and i was missing the target until I took the last couple shots of the 5 shot group and walked up and looked, stacking pellets out of the box! I really could not believe what I was seeing.
I think that after I chrony it, it will be about 24 good shots, if not 16 will suite me just fine for squirrel hunting. And to think last year I was hunting them with my 9mm Cricket lol
Get that thing out and check it over good and see what you can do, you know the potential is there, maybe needs a little hammer buffing or something and check the end of the barrel and make sure the crown is ok. Well you know drill and I know it has to be a simple fix. I did here they like copper coated pellets as well as the Poly Mags and the long poly mags fit into the Prod Mag.
Good luck and let us know if you need anything...
William
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Ok, I got home in time to shoot 2 shot strings with 15.9 JSB and 14.33 CHP's.
These shot strings are factory settings straight out of the box.... ;D
Woods Walker Prod .22 cal. 12" choked barrel, 65cc tank volume
3000 PSI FIll 2900 PSI Fill (should have been 3000 PSI Fill, I think)
JSB 15.9 CHP 14.3
1. 631 3000 PSI 1. 668 2900 PSI
2. 633 2. 661
3. 632 3. 665
4. 633 4. 671
5. 631 5. 675
6. 640 6. 675
7. 639 7. 678
8. 640 2700 PSI 8. 673 2600 PSI
9. 641 9. 680
10. 647 10. 681
11. 646 11. 679
12. 648 2500 PSI 12. 679 2400 PSI
13. 645 13. 680
14. 651 14. 678
15. 651 15. 678
16. 653 2400 PSI 16. 681
17. 652 17. 680
18. 652 18. 676 2200 PSI
19. 652 2200 PSI 19. 674
20. 648 20. 673
21. 647 21. 673
22. 646 22. 661
23. 645 23. 661 2000 PSI
24. 642 2000 PSI 24. 658
25. 637 25. 640
26. 630 26. 624
27. 628 1800 PSI 27. 622
28. 622 28. 622
29. 618 29. 608
30. 609 30. 600 1500 PSI
31. 604
32. 597 1500 PSI
I can get 24 shots (3 full clips) out of either pellet.
I don't see anything that needs to be tuned as far as I am concerned, unless I want it shooting at 700 FPS
William
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looks very nice.
I would start with the JSB's for the better ES, though for hunting it wouldn't really make a big difference.
whichever one shot most accurately would win out.
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Congrats on the prod! They are fun (one of my favorite). Mine didn't arrive and shoot like that out of the box either. But with a little work and a deep clean now it's putting out some nice tight groups. Mine favors crosman premiers lubed w/krytech.
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Congrats on the prod! They are fun (one of my favorite). Mine didn't arrive and shoot like that out of the box either. But with a little work and a deep clean now it's putting out some nice tight groups. Mine favors crosman premiers lubed w/krytech.
I couldn't believe it shot as good as it did out of the box, almost like someone tuned it before they sent it to me. I have only grouped the JSB 15.9 grain so far, maybe tomorrow evening I can group the CPHP's. Its nice to grab something lite weight and accurate to shoot that's for sure. Funny thing is, is when you go to fill that little air tube up all you do is crack the valve on the Scuba tank and its full in a second! I guess I got lucky on the tuned out of the box deal! My .25 cal. Mrod I had was almost the same way, it would shoot pellets in the same hole at 25 yards after I adjusted the fill pressure a little. I do think I will be shooting the Prod way more than my big bores or my Disco's, of course the Discos are fun too!
Have you hunted with your Prod any or thinned out any pests with it?
Wiliam
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Congrats on the prod! They are fun (one of my favorite). Mine didn't arrive and shoot like that out of the box either. But with a little work and a deep clean now it's putting out some nice tight groups. Mine favors crosman premiers lubed w/krytech.
I couldn't believe it shot as good as it did out of the box, almost like someone tuned it before they sent it to me. I have only grouped the JSB 15.9 grain so far, maybe tomorrow evening I can group the CPHP's. Its nice to grab something lite weight and accurate to shoot that's for sure. Funny thing is, is when you go to fill that little air tube up all you do is crack the valve on the Scuba tank and its full in a second! I guess I got lucky on the tuned out of the box deal! My .25 cal. Mrod I had was almost the same way, it would shoot pellets in the same hole at 25 yards after I adjusted the fill pressure a little. I do think I will be shooting the Prod way more than my big bores or my Disco's, of course the Discos are fun too!
Have you hunted with your Prod any or thinned out any pests with it?
Wiliam
I agree with the prod being a "go to". It's definitely the first I grab for backyard pesting (w/ an LDC it's by far the stealthiest AG I have).
Yeah they do fill instantly w/ that small tube! I'm thinking of going double tube on mine and hiding it in the forearm.
Mine has been busy swatting down GS and hosps in the backyard. Largest was dispatching an opossum @ 23yd. I have mine tuned for a lower pressure fill.
Still working at squeezing a couple more shots out of it....but I want to keep it right around its current FPS (keeps it nice and quiet).
Current strings for me:
(http://i1172.photobucket.com/albums/r563/mkdive/Airguns/Prod%2030%20shot%20string%202200psi%20fill%204ES%20v_zpsmrweqrdg.png) (http://s1172.photobucket.com/user/mkdive/media/Airguns/Prod%2030%20shot%20string%202200psi%20fill%204ES%20v_zpsmrweqrdg.png.html)
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According to the specs on PA's site it's a 2900 PSI fill limit.
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According to the specs on PA's site it's a 2900 PSI fill limit.
FWIW: All Prods and sister 1720T's are a 3000psi fill, as marked on the left side of the breech. PA made a typo or copied bad literature from crosman.
Prods are allot of fun and yes can take allot of pests. Mine are usually tuned to at least 16fpe, and get 24 shots using a BSB. At that power it does need some help with being quiet, but even with a LDC it is a nice short package.
As you have found, the red dot is only good for short distances, such as pistol use. In carbine format, get a scope, such as 2-7x32AO or 3-9x40AO. Do not overkill it with a big, heavy scope. Make or buy a comb/cheek riser for the crosman skeleton stock.
The most important thing is, shoot it and have fun! :)
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According to the specs on PA's site it's a 2900 PSI fill limit.
FWIW: All Prods and sister 1720T's are a 3000psi fill, as marked on the left side of the breech. PA made a typo or copied bad literature from crosman.
Prods are allot of fun and yes can take allot of pests. Mine are usually tuned to at least 16fpe, and get 24 shots using a BSB. At that power it does need some help with being quiet, but even with a LDC it is a nice short package.
As you have found, the red dot is only good for short distances, such as pistol use. In carbine format, get a scope, such as 2-7x32AO or 3-9x40AO. Do not overkill it with a big, heavy scope. Make or buy a comb/cheek riser for the crosman skeleton stock.
The most important thing is, shoot it and have fun! :)
That larger objective (50mm-56mm) lets in much more light than a 32mm or 40mm. As far as weight my 56mm weighs only 6oz more than 3-9x40. That extra 6oz isn't squat compared to the difference in light gathering or zoom for that matter. (I also run a night vision add on or sometimes a scope cam, so that extra light is needed). Its all about application as is just about everything else in this hobby. Im not saying thats what the OP should get. But for me it works perfect. I have mounted at least 8 different optics....and that size preformed perfect on my prod. I like the zoom even at even the shorter yardages....... Surgical.
I have a mrod that I will conserve weight on....(not the prod) its pretty anemic to start with. Little weight feels good on it. IMO
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Prod is one of my favorites as well. Mine came shooting just like yours right out of the box. I was amazed! With the stock attached and a Bug Buster scope, it is my gun of choice for the Starling targets in my backyard, shooting from the bedroom window. It is very, very light - so nice to walk around with in the woods :). I would have to recommend it as my first PCP choice for someone starting out.
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According to the specs on PA's site it's a 2900 PSI fill limit.
FWIW: All Prods and sister 1720T's are a 3000psi fill, as marked on the left side of the breech. PA made a typo or copied bad literature from crosman.
Prods are allot of fun and yes can take allot of pests. Mine are usually tuned to at least 16fpe, and get 24 shots using a BSB. At that power it does need some help with being quiet, but even with a LDC it is a nice short package.
As you have found, the red dot is only good for short distances, such as pistol use. In carbine format, get a scope, such as 2-7x32AO or 3-9x40AO. Do not overkill it with a big, heavy scope. Make or buy a comb/cheek riser for the crosman skeleton stock.
The most important thing is, shoot it and have fun! :)
Where can a comb/cheek riser be purchased for the Crosman skeleton stock? How much does it cost? Is it easy to install without cutting or drilling anything?
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Got my Prod this week too, and must say it is super accurate right out of the box at 15 yards. I have tried a plethora of pellets and all have been accurate. That may change as I test out further.
Here is about 40- 50 rounds...out of the box
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OK more testing today, shot a lot of pellets through the Prod.
Already ran these pellets through the Chronograph as noted above.
Lets start with the Bad..... hates all JSB 15.9 and JSB 18.1 beyond 20 yards, at 30 yards they shoot 2"+ inches low and scatter to 2" groups.
Does not like the 25.39 grain JSB's at any distance.
Now the good.... Love's 14.3 Crosman Premier Hollow Points at any distance. Will shoot 3/8" groups all day long at 30 yards.
The POI is dead nuts on at 20 yards and at 30 yards, I zeroed it in at 30 yards. So no hold over needed out to about 35 yards for a 1" target bull.
Here is my thoughts on the JSB's... they do not like flying as slow as a turtle walks. All these shoot very well out of my other guns from 750 FPS and up to 940 FPS.
This Prod shoots the CPHP's at 660 to 680 FPS just fine. Perfect I should say ;D
If I get some JSB Match Diabolo Exact Jumbo RS .22 Cal, 13.43 Grains, Domed pellets the FPS would be up and I bet they will shoot really good, but that is just a guess. I will order some and find out!
My 30 yard shots grouped better than my 20 yard shot groups, because I have a NON-Adjustable AO 3-9 x 44mm Scope on it and I think this scope Objective "if I am not mistaken" is set factory at 30 yards. So at 20 yards on 9x the croshairs have a tendency to move a good bit.
I wand to get a BSA 2-7x32 Edge Pistol Scope, Duplex Reticle, 1/4 MOA, 1" Tube, they have one on PA.
https://www.pyramydair.com/product/bsa-2-7x32-edge-pistol-scope-duplex-reticle-1-4-moa-1-tube?a=4404 (https://www.pyramydair.com/product/bsa-2-7x32-edge-pistol-scope-duplex-reticle-1-4-moa-1-tube?a=4404)
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Pistol scope
2-7x magnification
32mm objective lens
1" tube
1/4 MOA (1/4" click value @ 100 yds)
Duplex reticle
50 yds parallax setting
60 ft to 16 ft field of view @ 100 yds
12" to 20" eye relief
15.07mm to 5.23mm exit pupil
10.50 oz.
12" long
Includes lens caps
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So what do you think would be a good scope for my Prod?
Actually I think I need one with Adjustable Objective!!!
The Rifle version of the above scope has Adjustable Objective to set the Parallax.
Shot group Pics below...
Updated.. went out and did a complete fast shooting 32 shot group at 20 yards... with CPHP's.
William
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Mine was shooting consistent 1/2" inch groups at 35 yards with JSB 18.1 gr. UNTIL i ran out of that particular tin. The next tin was all over the place. :(
One other note: Never use a cleaning ROD in that barrel! My brother in law double loaded pellets and I caught him before he shot. I GENTLY used a .22 cal cleaning rod to push the pellets out of the breech, which somehow damaged the barrel enough to turn my 1/2" groups into 3" groups with the same Crosman Premiers. After fiddling with the thing for a week I ended up ordering a new barrel.
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Mine was shooting consistent 1/2" inch groups at 35 yards with JSB 18.1 gr. UNTIL i ran out of that particular tin. The next tin was all over the place. :(
One other note: Never use a cleaning ROD in that barrel! My brother in law double loaded pellets and I caught him before he shot. I GENTLY used a .22 cal cleaning rod to push the pellets out of the breech, which somehow damaged the barrel enough to turn my 1/2" groups into 3" groups with the same Crosman Premiers. After fiddling with the thing for a week I ended up ordering a new barrel.
Was the cleaning rod metal or aluminum?
If maybe it was metal and you nicked the inside of the barrel I dont see no reason why you coldn't polish it out and be ok! that is weird that it would do that, most of the time you can just shoot 2 or even 3 pellets at once if you double load, I do it all the time.
One more question, is you Prod barrel a Crosman or is it a Walther barrel?
William
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William budsgunshop has a Hawke Varmint 6-24x44($137) would be my 1st recommendation for a light weight scope. My 2nd choice would be the UTG 30mm Swat Compact 3-12x44 SF for $145 on Amazon for $145.
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The cleaning rod was aluminum. All I know is that before I pushed the pellets out it was dead on. Immediately after, it was sloppy with the same pellet. I checked the seals, reseated the barrel... tried everything. The barrel was somehow damaged. I'm not sure, but I believe the barrel was Crosman - the standard barrel on the gun out of the box.
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William budsgunshop has a Hawke Varmint 6-24x44($137) would be my 1st recommendation for a light weight scope. My 2nd choice would be the UTG 30mm Swat Compact 3-12x44 SF for $145 on Amazon for $145.
Thank you for the suggestions, but, I got impatient and order 2 scopes ...
1. UTG 3-9x32 AO Compact CQB Bug Buster Rifle Scope,
https://www.pyramydair.com/product/utg-3-9x32-ao-compact-cqb-bug-buster-rifle-scope-illuminated-mil-dot?a=4222 (https://www.pyramydair.com/product/utg-3-9x32-ao-compact-cqb-bug-buster-rifle-scope-illuminated-mil-dot?a=4222)
I also ordered some 13.43 JSB's to try out in the Prod...
2. While at Walmart at 4am this morning I looked in the show case and they had one Barska 3-9x42 IR 2nd Generation Sniper Scope that was missing the box and one scope ring flat clamp thingy lol
So I got it for $71.00 which normally in most places sells for around $129 +/- this scope I think is NON-AO but I took it outside and checked at different distances and it seems to not have hardly any parallax movement at all.
http://www.walmart.com/ip/Barska-3-9x42-IR-2nd-Generation-Sniper-Scope/21392211?action=product_interest&action_type=title&item_id=21392211&placement_id=irs-8-b1&strategy=PWVUB&visitor_id=MlF43xS2aCO8a6qxV_B1yY&category=&client_guid=54e10c7c-61fa-46ec-8b70-713ade284d7a&customer_id_enc=&config_id=8&parent_item_id=21392211&parent_anchor_item_id=21392211&guid=8637d1b8-111d-465c-8cf3-9f3108157ce3&bucket_id=irsbucket000&beacon_version=1.0.1&findingMethod=p13n (http://www.walmart.com/ip/Barska-3-9x42-IR-2nd-Generation-Sniper-Scope/21392211?action=product_interest&action_type=title&item_id=21392211&placement_id=irs-8-b1&strategy=PWVUB&visitor_id=MlF43xS2aCO8a6qxV_B1yY&category=&client_guid=54e10c7c-61fa-46ec-8b70-713ade284d7a&customer_id_enc=&config_id=8&parent_item_id=21392211&parent_anchor_item_id=21392211&guid=8637d1b8-111d-465c-8cf3-9f3108157ce3&bucket_id=irsbucket000&beacon_version=1.0.1&findingMethod=p13n)
I may put the UTG on my Prod and the Barska on my Kalibrgun Cricket 9mm. Not sure yet, but that Barska is Crystal Clear and solid.
I am tired big bulky and heavy scopes, one thing is that I wish they would stop putting that stupid IR lighted reticle in all the scopes I do not have a need for it and wish they would give you a choice!
Thank you,
William
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The cleaning rod was aluminum. All I know is that before I pushed the pellets out it was dead on. Immediately after, it was sloppy with the same pellet. I checked the seals, reseated the barrel... tried everything. The barrel was somehow damaged. I'm not sure, but I believe the barrel was Crosman - the standard barrel on the gun out of the box.
Are you sure you didn't knock a burr down from on the edge of the Barrel Transfer Port, send it back to Crosman maybe they will send you another one if it isn't damaged and have a spare, just a thought.
William
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That larger objective (50mm-56mm) lets in much more light than a 32mm or 40mm. As far as weight my 56mm weighs only 6oz more than 3-9x40. That extra 6oz isn't squat compared to the difference in light gathering or zoom for that matter. (I also run a night vision add on or sometimes a scope cam, so that extra light is needed). Its all about application as is just about everything else in this hobby. Im not saying thats what the OP should get. But for me it works perfect. I have mounted at least 8 different optics....and that size preformed perfect on my prod. I like the zoom even at even the shorter yardages....... Surgical.
I have a mrod that I will conserve weight on....(not the prod) its pretty anemic to start with. Little weight feels good on it. IMO
I agree the prod is light and could stand to gain a few ounces. High rings for any thing above 44mm, heavy scope, with the stock Prod foregrip, the gun just wants to roll on its side. A large scope just overwhelms the little gun. If you are happy with your combo, nothing wrong with that. :)
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I got impatient and order 2 scopes ...
1. UTG 3-9x32 AO Compact CQB Bug Buster Rifle Scope,
You may find you need offset mounts with the bug buster. It is so short it does not allow much forward/backward adjustment for eye relief.
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Where can a comb/cheek riser be purchased for the Crosman skeleton stock? How much does it cost? Is it easy to install without cutting or drilling anything?
I used ATI SKS like this: http://www.amazon.com/ATI-SKS-Cheek-Rest-Misc/dp/B003XVBVMY (http://www.amazon.com/ATI-SKS-Cheek-Rest-Misc/dp/B003XVBVMY)
I think I paid about $12 but it was a while ago. It is easy to install but need some help because of the "A" cross section to the crosman skeleton stock. I lined the inside of the SKS with adhesive foam and it held ok. For a tight fit, I had th give it a flatter surface by screwing a section of aluminum c - channel to the top of the "A".
Others have done DIY with everything from foam pipe insulation to stainless 1" rod with riser screws.
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I got impatient and order 2 scopes ...
1. UTG 3-9x32 AO Compact CQB Bug Buster Rifle Scope,
You may find you need offset mounts with the bug buster. It is so short it does not allow much forward/backward adjustment for eye relief.
Thanks for the info, I put the Barska on it this evening and I also put a super thin shim under the back scope mount (in the saddle between bottom of scope and mount) to get a little more Elevation on POI adjustment if needed. I always shim mine, every AG I have mounted a scope on was almost out of elevation adjustment, which will cause POI movement due to not enough tension on the spring in the scope. It will bounce inside and move.
Anyway the Barska 3-9 x 42 mm on the first group at 20 yards was a few inches high and almost dead on left to right, shot a bunch of groups at 20 and 30 yards to fine adjust and I couldn't stop shooting the Prod, this thing is so much fun and accurate its unreal. The Barska is not AO adjustable but at 30 yards its fine and if i turn it down to 5x you don't even notice it. This scope is crystal clear and solid, I was shooting pellet into pellet hole at 30 yards even on 5x.
I will maybe put the Bug Buster on my Cricket and see how that works out.
I will look into those Offset Mounts just in-case I need them for the Cricket, who knows I may swap and put the Barska on the Cricket and the Bug Buster on the Prod when I get it...
I seen those Check Rest's some where yesterday and cannot remember where, I will be getting one or something thats for sure.
Thank you everyone for the info and Ideas...
William
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Where can a comb/cheek riser be purchased for the Crosman skeleton stock? How much does it cost? Is it easy to install without cutting or drilling anything?
I used ATI SKS like this: http://www.amazon.com/ATI-SKS-Cheek-Rest-Misc/dp/B003XVBVMY (http://www.amazon.com/ATI-SKS-Cheek-Rest-Misc/dp/B003XVBVMY)
I think I paid about $12 but it was a while ago. It is easy to install but need some help because of the "A" cross section to the crosman skeleton stock. I lined the inside of the SKS with adhesive foam and it held ok. For a tight fit, I had th give it a flatter surface by screwing a section of aluminum c - channel to the top of the "A".
Others have done DIY with everything from foam pipe insulation to stainless 1" rod with riser screws.
Thanks for the info. It looks like that ATI SKS product is no longer available. It's too bad Crosman doesn't provide an optional cheek rest that can be added. I guess we either have to rest our chin on top of the skeleton stock or get creative with things we can get at a hardware store.
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Thanks for the info. It looks like that ATI SKS product is no longer available. It's too bad Crosman doesn't provide an optional cheek rest that can be added. I guess we either have to rest our chin on top of the skeleton stock or get creative with things we can get at a hardware store.
It appears so. As I mentioned it is not perfect anyways. If you still want one, some old stock may pop up on ebay. If you end up with Prod or 1720T contact me. I might decide I have plenty sitting on the shelf. ;)
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As mentioned and everyone knows the cheek riser is too low for scope mounting on the Prod, so, here is how I fixed mine and it works great. You can also stuff something between the elastic pad I used as storage space, gloves, cloth pouch with magazines in it or just what ever your imagination can come up with.
I did get the Idea from another member here on the GTA someplace but don't remember who! Anyway I thank him for such a great Idea. ;D
You want to get the smallest knee or elbow foam padding you can buy, I got mine a Academy Sports for $8.99 and you get 2, so you have and extra for another rifle....
The padding is already about 1/2" thick, but I needed about 1" or so, so I found some good 3/8" thick foam from a box of something shipped to me and cut 2 pieces the length or a little shorter than the Prod comb and wrapped it in place with electrical tape. When I was done it seemed to slide to easy, so I got a piece of double sided sticky tape and put on top of the comb between the tape and the knee pad, works great. Also I didn't do it but it would be best to add some double sticky tape between the Foam and The Top of the Comb as well....
http://www.academy.com/shop/pdp/rawlings-womens-volleyball-knee-pads (http://www.academy.com/shop/pdp/rawlings-womens-volleyball-knee-pads)
Rawlings® Women's Volleyball Knee Pads
$8.99
SKU# 019184092 Item #:TSRW3000
I also fixed the stock from moving with sticky tape as well, I took off the Stock and cut a piece of double sided sticky tape (Scotch Permanent Mounting Tape) its about 1/8" thick or less actually. I cut the tape about 5" long and split it down the middle, then stuck it to the very bottom of the butt of the handle and let it wrap up around the back about an inch or so. I did not peel off the outer layer, just stuck it to the handle butt, pushed the stock back on while pushing it hard to get the foam tape to squish a little or enough to start the screws and tightened it all down, she don't move or wiggle now thats for sure. ;D
Happy Shooting and hope this helps someone,,,,
William
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Thanks for all the ideas regarding the cheek riser and how to get the stock to stay in place. It's kind of strange the Crosman designs the skeleton stock that way and offers no factory option to add a cheek riser. PA has action kits with two different AR-style stocks that add $130 or $180 to the price of the gun, and they don't have cheek risers either. Those stocks mount higher so they're better, but hardly worth all that extra money.
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Thanks for all the ideas regarding the cheek riser and how to get the stock to stay in place. It's kind of strange the Crosman designs the skeleton stock that way and offers no factory option to add a cheek riser. PA has action kits with two different AR-style stocks that add $130 or $180 to the price of the gun, and they don't have cheek risers either. Those stocks mount higher so they're better, but hardly worth all that extra money.
Your welcome on the ideas and easy ways to solve the very little issues with the Prod... and I agree on the extra money on the AR Stocks.
William
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Where can a comb/cheek riser be purchased for the Crosman skeleton stock? How much does it cost? Is it easy to install without cutting or drilling anything?
I used ATI SKS like this: http://www.amazon.com/ATI-SKS-Cheek-Rest-Misc/dp/B003XVBVMY (http://www.amazon.com/ATI-SKS-Cheek-Rest-Misc/dp/B003XVBVMY)
I think I paid about $12 but it was a while ago. It is easy to install but need some help because of the "A" cross section to the crosman skeleton stock. I lined the inside of the SKS with adhesive foam and it held ok. For a tight fit, I had th give it a flatter surface by screwing a section of aluminum c - channel to the top of the "A".
Others have done DIY with everything from foam pipe insulation to stainless 1" rod with riser screws.
Thanks. Midway appears to have the ATI SKS cheek risers in stock for $6.00.
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More Testing today With JSB 13.43 grain Pellets.... I still have not Chronograph-ed these yet, but they should be around 700 FPS compared to the Crosman 14.3 which is around 675 FPS +/-
I shot groups at 30 and 20 yards.
The JSB's 13.43 grain do very well from 3000 PSI down to 2000 PSI (5) 5 shot groups in the size of a Dime.
They also done very well at 20 yards less than a Dime with (4) 5 shot groups and (1) 12 shot group just over a Dime.
I also shot (3) 8 shot groups with the CPHP 14.3 grain pellets from Walmart.
The Crosman 14.3 grain and JSB 13.43 grain shoot in the same POI, so no scope adjustments needed when switching back and forth.
The CPHP's do not group as well with a 3000 PSI fill to 2800 PSI at 30 yards but still do well at 20 and 25 yard, they seem to like about 2700 PSI to 1900 PSI for 30 yards or longer.
I do believe that even though these groups are perfect in grouping, that if it had not been so freaking windy they would have done a little better. The wind kept blowing my target all over the place, but I took my time and got my shots off between gusts so all is good I think.
The Scope I used today was the UTG 3-9 x 32mm AO Compact CQB Bug Buster Rifle Scope, I like the AO adjustment compared to the Barska 3-9 x 42mm which has no AO adjust, but the Barska works just as well. Both scopes perform perfectly with plenty of clarity and brightness. So if you decide to get a scope on the Prod do not be afraid of either one of these scopes they are perfect.
UPDATE: FPS on the 13.43 JSB.
I Shot 24 13.43 JSB's over the Chronograph today and they are running pretty good. These really like to be shot starting at 3000 PSI for 24 shots! But I didnt realize I was only at 2800 PSI until I started so maybe next time a higher fill start pressure.
Fill pressure 2800 PSI
End pressure 1900 PSI
Shot # 1........ 680
Shot # 12...... 694
Shot # 24...... 678
My Chronograph was acting funny earlier not registering my shots on my other AG, but it is very cloudy here today so those numbers above I think should be higher!
Posted groups below..
Happy Shooting,
William
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Hello! Glad you're enjoying your P-rod! Not that I have much to compare it to, but I love mine. I went through an extensive period of finding the optimal pellet and sweet spot in the fill curve. I found that the power was lower and groups more erratic up at the high fill pressures.. 3000-2500. Power was highest and most even from about 2200 down to around 1300. 3 mags if you will. So now I fill it to just over 2000, shoot the 3 mags and top it back up again with 25 pumps on a hand pump. As far as pellets go, I tried tons of different ones. JSB RS, Exact, Monster, RWS Hollowpoints, Wadcutters, H&N Crow Magnum, Hunter Extreme, .. The list goes on and on. I found that the best pellet for my barrel, and apparently some others, is the H&N FTT. I've tried all head sizes.. 5.3, 5.4, 5.5 .. No real difference. For a heavier domed pellet, the H&N Barracuda (21 gr), also known as Beeman Kodiak, groups really well. For an expanding pellet, the Predator Polymags are great. Best of luck! Not the best photo, but I made a raised comb out of mahogany that I just glued to the stock with gorilla glue.. works awesome and looks pretty clean!
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I am surprised no one with a 3D printer is not making a riser.
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Moorepower.. Absolutely! Even fabricating a whole new stock fixing both the riser problem and the mounting slippage problem.
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I agree on a 3D print cheek rest, that would be cool and I defenitly would buy one if someone made me one.
Cal73,
That is a nice cheek rest you made, looks really clean and neat. My make shift one works ok, but there is always better, like yours is great.
William
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William.. I cut a few while I was at it.. so I have some blanks left over. If you're interested I can get one over to you. Happy shooting!
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How did you cut the inner channel to fit to the skeleton stock? I might be interested in making something similar.
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I just drew a centerline on the bottom of the blank and used woodworking gouges.. Like round chisels to carve it out. Start with a small one down the line and then work your way up. You have to keep testing it to follow the angle and shape of the stock, but it doesn't take too long to get it there. A round file could be useful once you get close just to get a good fit. Mine is a decent fit. Gorilla glue expands some as it cures so it fills out ok. It kind of bubbles out, but once it's cured you can cut the excess away with a razor blade or an exacto knife.
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Thanks for the tips! I don't have a full set of gouges, only a couple basic ones for the lathe, I might see if I can adapt them for this purpose. I think I may have some pecan that I could cut the blank out of, and go from there. I'm not sure if I would be ready for the permanence of gluing, so I might try to see if I can use velcro tape on the stock and the cheek riser, that way I can modify and/or replace if I don't get the height just right, or if I want to change it later.
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Sounds great William! Update his post with pictures if and when! Always fun to see what people come up with and create.
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I love the looks of those pistols. If I win the lottery, I might get one.
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I almost got the woods walker also but settled on the regular p-rod. Mine shoots very well, I get 24 shots from 2500psi down to about 1500 shooting JSB 18.1's on average 600fps. 1/2 inch groups at 25 yards so I'm sure I need to find a better pellet for this gun but it is definitely a blast to shoot! Glad you like yours also William!
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I almost got the woods walker also but settled on the regular p-rod. Mine shoots very well, I get 24 shots from 2500psi down to about 1500 shooting JSB 18.1's on average 600fps. 1/2 inch groups at 25 yards so I'm sure I need to find a better pellet for this gun but it is definitely a blast to shoot! Glad you like yours also William!
I tell what, my wife elbowed me in bed the other night and told me that it didn't matter, one way or the other that Prod was not sleeping in the same bed lol
That should tell you how much I enjoy mine ;D
You may find out that beyond 25 yards the heavier pellets will fall off real fast and groups will open up greatly! Mine loves the Crosman HP's 14.3 grain and the JSB 13.43 grain. They will shoot 1/2" and less if i do my part at 30 and 35 yards.
This little wonder gun needs the lighter pellets to keep the FPS up in the higher 600 to 700 FPS range to stabilize the pellet better, that's what I think I am seeing! It will shoot heavy pellets at close range hole in hole at 20 yards and under, but after that they scatter to much and drop 3 inches at 30 yards.
I zeroed mine in at 30 yards and it is dead on from 10 to 35 yards with either the 14 grain Crosman or the 13 grain JSB, it will also nail a 3/4" dot every-time!
Thanks for posting, they are a great little shooter thats for sure.
William
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According to the specs on PA's site it's a 2900 PSI fill limit.
FWIW: All Prods and sister 1720T's are a 3000psi fill, as marked on the left side of the breech. PA made a typo or copied bad literature from crosman.
I just purchased a prod myself. LOVE this gun. I will note that, though the gun itself says 3000PSI fill limit, both PA, AirgunDepot, and the prod manual itself recommends 2900psi. AirgunDepot states:
NOTE: ONLY FILL TANK UP TO 2900 PSI! Crosman has informed us that if the tank is filled right up to 3000 PSI then reported, this will lower velocities. Please fill to 2900 psi only. Going to 3000 will cause a bit of valve lock and low velocities will be the result. The manual states 2900 psi as the Recommended fill pressure (section 11). Thank you!
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I have a tin of the 13.43 JSB so Ill give them a try maybe tonight if the sun stays aloft long enough :o
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I have a tin of the 13.43 JSB so Ill give them a try maybe tonight if the sun stays aloft long enough :o
I think you will be impressed, if it shoots them anything like mine does you will be very pleased ;D
Good luck and happy shooting...
Post back and let us know how they do.
William
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Yesterday I tried the jsb 13.43 and jsb 15.9's. They both shoot pretty darn good if you ask me, I got roughly 1/2 inch groups at 25 yards with both of em. I think when my new Hawke scope arrives tomorrow I will have a better chance of finding the more accurate pellet. ;D I have been using a 4x32 Leapers and really need a bit more magnification at 25 yards and beyond. Especially shooting groups.
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William.. I cut a few while I was at it.. so I have some blanks left over. If you're interested I can get one over to you. Happy shooting!
Cal73,
Absolutley perfect, Pics included ;D
I finally got around to gluing the cheek rest on you made, I decided to give a go at camouflaging it to match the rest of the PRod. Well all I did was got some clear locetite glue and glued it on top of the original stock, then I got some camo tape and first put a little sticky glue on the cheek rest and stuck the tape to it. The spots I could get the tape to stick (the ends of the rest) I just used a little dark camo paint and touched them up. It fits perfect and looks great I think!
I cannot thank you enough for what you have done, it is really nice to have someone help others out. I will cherish that cheek rest for ever, or at least until Alzheimer's sets in lol
What a wonderful gift thank you and thank you again.... ;D ;D ;D ;D
William
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Got a prod for Christmas and love it!
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I put a folding AR style stock from RAI (http://www.rarmsinnovations.com/)on mine. I love it even more now. Part numbers "RAI A005" and "RAI A010" for anyone else interested.
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a203/ztirffritz/Airgun%20Nation/42B602CA-CBB8-4AA5-88A4-1C0BAF1E8758_zpsuh07q7hw.jpg)
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a203/ztirffritz/Airgun%20Nation/4070C162-9BF5-492A-B0B8-FECA08D15B7F_zpsssjhly6q.jpg)
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Hi William!
Wow! That looks awesome! Matching it to the stock was definitely the right way to go with it. Sooo happy it turned out, and soo happy it found an appreciative home! Enjoy, and best wishes to you and your family!
Take care!
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Hi William!
Wow! That looks awesome! Matching it to the stock was definitely the right way to go with it. Sooo happy it turned out, and soo happy it found an appreciative home! Enjoy, and best wishes to you and your family!
Take care!
Brian
Thank you, I am tickled with the outcome, I was going to leave it wood but decided to camo it. The fit is perfect and all I had to do was add some good glue for a good semi-permanent bond! One day I will get a good center piece of something to fill the center of the stock and fix it so I can store my magazines in.
Thank you and best wishes to you as well...
William
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I put a folding AR style stock from RAI (http://www.rarmsinnovations.com/)on mine. I love it even more now. Part numbers "RAI A005" and "RAI A010" for anyone else interested.
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a203/ztirffritz/Airgun%20Nation/42B602CA-CBB8-4AA5-88A4-1C0BAF1E8758_zpsuh07q7hw.jpg)
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a203/ztirffritz/Airgun%20Nation/4070C162-9BF5-492A-B0B8-FECA08D15B7F_zpsssjhly6q.jpg)
I like it, maybe I should purchase another PRod in black and add the AR stock to it! How much does it weigh with that stock? My Prod as you see it with scope and cheek piece is 5.25 lbs.
William
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I put a folding AR style stock from RAI (http://www.rarmsinnovations.com/)on mine. I love it even more now. Part numbers "RAI A005" and "RAI A010" for anyone else interested.
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a203/ztirffritz/Airgun%20Nation/42B602CA-CBB8-4AA5-88A4-1C0BAF1E8758_zpsuh07q7hw.jpg)
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a203/ztirffritz/Airgun%20Nation/4070C162-9BF5-492A-B0B8-FECA08D15B7F_zpsssjhly6q.jpg)Your cousin, Benjamin, messaged me about what kind of tequila I had brought you at the wedding here in Phoenix and I answered him with the wrong name. It was Orendein!!!Will you tell him please?
I like it, maybe I should purchase another PRod in black and add the AR stock to it! How much does it weigh with that stock? My Prod as you see it with scope and cheek piece is 5.25 lbs.
William
I have no idea really. It isn't much more than the stock carbine that comes with it though.
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Excellent William! Looking forward to seeing how it all progresses. I'll keep an eye out!
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I put a folding AR style stock from RAI (http://www.rarmsinnovations.com/)on mine. I love it even more now. Part numbers "RAI A005" and "RAI A010" for anyone else interested.
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a203/ztirffritz/Airgun%20Nation/42B602CA-CBB8-4AA5-88A4-1C0BAF1E8758_zpsuh07q7hw.jpg)
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a203/ztirffritz/Airgun%20Nation/4070C162-9BF5-492A-B0B8-FECA08D15B7F_zpsssjhly6q.jpg)
I like it, maybe I should purchase another PRod in black and add the AR stock to it! How much does it weigh with that stock? My Prod as you see it with scope and cheek piece is 5.25 lbs.
William
A sure sign of the sickness. Gotta have 2 Prods, one for the woods and one for the hood.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-IUB62zDlA (http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-IUB62zDlA)
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I put a folding AR style stock from RAI (http://www.rarmsinnovations.com/)on mine. I love it even more now. Part numbers "RAI A005" and "RAI A010" for anyone else interested.
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a203/ztirffritz/Airgun%20Nation/42B602CA-CBB8-4AA5-88A4-1C0BAF1E8758_zpsuh07q7hw.jpg)
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a203/ztirffritz/Airgun%20Nation/4070C162-9BF5-492A-B0B8-FECA08D15B7F_zpsssjhly6q.jpg)
I like it, maybe I should purchase another PRod in black and add the AR stock to it! How much does it weigh with that stock? My Prod as you see it with scope and cheek piece is 5.25 lbs.
William
A sure sign of the sickness. Gotta have 2 Prods, one for the woods and one for the hood.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-IUB62zDlA (http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-IUB62zDlA)
That is funny, I just wouldn't want the squirrels to see me after them with what looks like AR or something, I don't need to stir up anything among the wildlife, you never know they may want to start protesting against multi-shot hunting guns!!!
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I put a folding AR style stock from RAI (http://www.rarmsinnovations.com/)on mine. I love it even more now. Part numbers "RAI A005" and "RAI A010" for anyone else interested.
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a203/ztirffritz/Airgun%20Nation/42B602CA-CBB8-4AA5-88A4-1C0BAF1E8758_zpsuh07q7hw.jpg)
(http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a203/ztirffritz/Airgun%20Nation/4070C162-9BF5-492A-B0B8-FECA08D15B7F_zpsssjhly6q.jpg)
I like it, maybe I should purchase another PRod in black and add the AR stock to it! How much does it weigh with that stock? My Prod as you see it with scope and cheek piece is 5.25 lbs.
William
A sure sign of the sickness. Gotta have 2 Prods, one for the woods and one for the hood.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-IUB62zDlA (http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Y-IUB62zDlA)
That is funny, I just wouldn't want the squirrels to see me after them with what looks like AR or something, I don't need to stir up anything among the wildlife, you never know they may want to start protesting against multi-shot hunting guns!!!
It makes it more practical. I fold the stock and it fits in a backpack/sidepack. No screwdriver required and ready to shoulder in just a few seconds.