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Airguns by Make and Model => Cometa Airguns => Topic started by: AirScopes on March 03, 2011, 09:42:55 AM
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I have a little selfish interest in this question, but I wonder how many closet covetors there are in the Cometa ownership world. Fusion, Fenix/400, Indian pistols, or RWS models (RWS 94, RWS 93, RWS 92)...
Also, how did you find out about them and where did you buy your first?
Richard
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I should say I'm not interested at the moment....have to do a bit more research.
I just read a British review which did give the 400 Fenix some pretty high marks. The .177 test gun did 768 fps with RWS Superdomes.
There were two comments to the review...one pro...one con. No complaints about the trigger tough.
I learned about the Cometa on GTA when you started offering them. :)
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I bought mine used and the previous owner had done a tune on it. It's a wonderful rifle. I'm very happy with it and think it's a good bang for the buck. Mine is a Fusion Star .177 cal with a Hawke AirMax and beech stock.
(http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t193/turbonoma1998/Airgunning/776859119_Z4oBH-M.jpg)(http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t193/turbonoma1998/Airgunning/759792572_3DLmT-L.jpg)
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I find the look of the Fusion star's to be quite nice. However I am saving my euro cents for the Lynx whenever it comes out. I am crossing my fingers there will be a lynx star stock format.
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I think those guns are very over looked by people, I have 3 Fenix 400 compacts 2 .22cals and .177cal. and I think these guns are as good as the RWS T05 line or better they are very accurate and have a fully adjustable 2 stage trigger {better than a T05} nice wood and some models have adjustable cheek pieces that work very well for better sight alignment with a scope. Their light weight nice to carry around in the woods. I use these guns to shoot piegons with the 22cals and the range on them is 75 to 85yds and these rifles have no problems reaching out ther and dropin them dead all day long! their that accurate.
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Richard,,,
The Cometas really do have nice wood.
I'm wondering about parts availability, warranty, and what's your return policy?
Also, what fps cud I expect from the Fusion Star using a real world .22 pellet?
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I can get parts. I have already ordered springs and seals to have on hand. I've inquired about other parts both for replacement and upgrade like receivers, rails, and stocks. Of course, having just started selling for them, they will probably take more of my parts requests seriously.
On the other hand, it is a 140 year-old company, so I don't believe they will be disappearing next week or any time soon. They are SERIOUSLY under-represented in the US, which I firmly believe is the only reason they are not far more popular.
Compressedair, the .22 pushes right about 20 foot pounds. So with 14gr pellets you are talking about 800 fps. The action is similar in the 400/Fenix and the Fusion, with some differences in the barrel.
Richard
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Dont know if this counts. But, I have a RWS model 94 which is a Cometa 400 Fenix in .177. I like it a lot. I would buy one in .22.
'Desert Drifter
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I don't own one at this time. However I'm not opposed to ownership..I just need to do more research on their whole line-up. Turbonoma's Fusion Star certainly looks intriguing.
Larry
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Clip, what do you need to know?
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Compressedair, the .22 pushes right about 20 foot pounds. So with 14gr pellets you are talking about 800 fps. The action is similar in the 400/Fenix and the Fusion, with some differences in the barrel.
Richard
Richard...
According to the Brit viewer he got 768 fps with 8.3 gr superdomes vs the 400's listed 1000 fps with an unknown pellet. That's roughly a 24% reduction!
A 24% reduction with the .22 gives roughly 623 fps. I'm not very tech inclined,,,so probably missing something.
Also, what about warranty and return policy?
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I may be mistaken, but I believe there are foot-pound limitations in UK. I would imagine shipments to the UK have to be pre-set to the lower FPS.
About warranty... Checking into that right now to get specifics.
Richard
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I have a older crosman 3100 made in 1978 which is a cometa 100 The gun is very accurate a real sleeper but has heavy trigger. Those that shoot them know how accurate they are once you learn the trigger. I,m very interested in a cometa 220 or rws 92. are you going to carry them.
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you are correct B-doc Mine shoot 760''s with 14.3gr cph's .22cal at 18.2ftlbs in a stock form.
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Northern Lights, What kind of price are you looking for on the 220? I worry about even quoting here because I know what the prices are in Europe... and shipping just ruins that for me unless I buy a boatload. I'm assuming you don't want a boatload of them ;-) In other words, I can get any of these guns, but I think the less pricey models get artificially inflated in price as imports. PM me... Have you seen prices for anyone carrying them in the US currently? (Larry hasn't had them since 2007).
I,m very interested in a cometa 220 or rws 92. are you going to carry them?
Mark, thanks for confirming.
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I have a RWS93. A real clunker until I went over the entire rifle. Now no one would even recognize it.
AirScopes asked for photos & what had been done. So here are the photos you wanted to see. Complete tune/JM seal/RWS320 spring/chopped barrel/lots of trigger work/chopped down & reshaped stock/muzzle break/and lots more. Total weight with scope 7 lbs 7 oz.
Update: Just stripped the stock and reshaped the for end, the grip, butt, cheek piece. Removed wood on 100% of the stock, this is the second time to do this. The first time I left to much wood on and now feels a lot better. Also reduced the weight another 3 oz. it now weighs 7 lbs 4 oz.
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bobbyjim... what did you do to it? do you have pictures?
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Maybe someday soon.
Richard
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I may be mistaken, but I believe there are foot-pound limitations in UK. I would imagine shipments to the UK have to be pre-set to the lower FPS.
About warranty... Checking into that right now to get specifics.
Richard
The UK has a 12flbs limit.
But they have the FAC models that require
a fire arms licence...
FAC models are unrestricted power out put.
Think I'm correct...sure theres a brit out there
that will chime in..
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Looking at all this guy's reviews, he must be working with lower power guns.
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If the UK does indeed have a 12 ft.lb. limit, 768 with 8 gr is 10.5 ft. lbs.... and that seems to make sense -- you wouldn't want to get your shooters in trouble by sending them 12.1 ft.lb. guns... especially if that might vary with certain pellets, etc.
768 is more like what you should get with 15-16 gr pellets here in the US...
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I like these...
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Vinny, The 400 Compact seems to me to be a nice choice. Really that ends up being an RWS 94 with a moderator. It will probably be my next Cometa... After the Lynx.
Richard
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Very interested in the Fusion.
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If the Manou Bros are to be believed from the Pacific AG Expo video clip sounds like the lynx will start showing up in April. That would be great if true. Also the Walnut stock looks very nice. One thing I really like as an option is the ability to change calibers is an easy task rather than locking the buyer into one caliber.
Rich have you heard any confirmation about the delivery date?
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I am told April, but I would assume April/May. I should be getting some of the first on the market here in the US. PM me to get on the list if you want one and are not on the list already!
Richard
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If the Manou Bros are to be believed from the Pacific AG Expo video clip sounds like the lynx will start showing up in April. That would be great if true. Also the Walnut stock looks very nice. One thing I really like as an option is the ability to change calibers is an easy task rather than locking the buyer into one caliber.
Rich have you heard any confirmation about the delivery date?
i was at the show and met and talked with these guys. great products and info. they are also gonna have "re-branded pellets" for sale. we asked where are they made? he says germany...we ask so they are H&N"s?....he smiles and says we cant confirm or deny....lol.......all the products of theirs looked great, and i'm sure i'll get a couple cometa products soon
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Pellets are indeed made in Germany. They are having a shipment in this week... And I might buy into it.
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Just to be sure I touch the GTA Cometa lovers;-)
If you want to be on the list to be some of the first to get the Cometa Lynx, please check out the thread here to be sure you are on the list:
http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php/topic,9782.new.html#new (http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php/topic,9782.new.html#new)
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Does it count if I own a Cometa Indian pistol? I've wanted one for a long time, it seems. I looked for one in it's RWS-9b version but people don't often put them up for sale. I managed to get a new Indian from the Manou Brothers. This is a unique pistol in that it is an over-lever cocking pistol similar to the Webley Tempest. But whereas the Tempest's barrel is part of the cocking mechanism, the (cold-forged) barrel on the Indian remains in it's fixed position. In shooting this pistol, I note two problems: a)the rear sight is adjustable for windage; I had to shim it to gain any elevation. b) the trigger is non-adjustable and inconsistent in the weight of the pull. I have to note that I felt the same about the trigger on my Browning 800 pistol, but lately I've noticed that trigger has smoothened out and aids in accuracy now. Perhaps I need to put a few more rounds through the Indian for the trigger to get a bit smoother? I can say that a firm two-hand grip aids i accuracy, and I am so far pleased with the results I can get with the right pellet (RWS Super-H Points @6.9grn). The pistol can be shot single-handedly becfause it is nowhere near as heavy as the Browning. Just waiting on the trigger to get right.
A few pictures (the bottom two pictures show both the Browning and the Cometa Indian, cocked the breeched open, and with breeched closed:
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I have a Fusion in .177. I love it. Cocks nice, and very accurate. Its a little louder then I thought it would be. It has surprising power for how easy it is to cock.
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mlrs_27m, I wonder if you feel it is loud because of the air stripper. I haven't tested it out, but I assume the stripper makes it quieter downrange, feeding some of the report back to the shooter.
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I honestly think its the action that seens loud. When I had a npss in .177 it seemed much more quiet. The Cometa has that sharp pop. I would love to try stading 20 - 30 yards away and listen to it.
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What is the difference between the 300 and 400 velocity wise? Are you going to carry any of those camo'd 300's? J
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Nice question...
The 300 is rated as follows:
.177 260m/s (853ft/s)
.22 220m/s (721ft/s)
The 400 is rated as follows:
.177 305m/s (1000ft/s)
.22 260m/s (853ft/s)
.25 200m/s (656ft/s)
of course that depends on what pellet you are using to measure. My .22 Fusion, which is the same power plant as the 400, shoots 800f/s with 14 gr. that is right about 20 ft. lbs. Meter your expectations from there.
If I can help more, let me know.
Richard
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My first gun was a Crossman 3100 / AKA Cometa 100. Not a bad gun, a springer with a claimed velocity of 600 fps but with thousands of shots and lot of abuse (dry firing, rolling 10 bbs down the barrel and making into a shot gun of sorts... all kind of stuff), I am sure it is lucky to be around 500 fps now. It was a great fun from shooting in the basement at about 25 feet and not bad outside as long as you were not shooting much more than 20 yards or so. It claimed hundreds of birds many squirrels and even a rabbit about 50 feet out.
I still have it at my parents house.... I might just break it back out if I get a chrono to see what it shoots at. I am sure it could use some TLC and maybe a new spring.
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that Cometa 100 is still around -- a little less square stocked -- http://www.cometaairgun.com/en/cometa_carabinas_100.html (http://www.cometaairgun.com/en/cometa_carabinas_100.html)
I'll have to see what the 100s cost these days. Mostly there is no mention of anything below the 200/220/RWS92
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Wow - look at that. I might have to break it back out one of these days. It was the perfect gun for shooting in the basement as it wasn't too powerful. Also, easy to cock so great for a tween.
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Richard,
Pete knows it.
"The UK has a 12flbs limit.
But they have the FAC models that require
a fire arms licence...
FAC models are unrestricted power out put".
"Think I'm correct...sure theres a brit out there
that will chime in."
Quotes by Pete.
F.A.C. models are what U.S. customer want.