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Airguns by Make and Model => Benjamin Airguns => Topic started by: ShakySarge on February 18, 2015, 09:25:10 AM
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ALL CO2 POSTS WILL BE POSTED UNDER THE PCP/CO2/HPA Air Gun Gates "The Darkside" EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY, NO EXCUSES, THEY WILL BE MOVED
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Be real nice to have a separate "CO2" sub-forum within the 'Dark Side' forum to keep the regular CO2 topics separate from the PCP stuff. Some of us have no real interest in PCP. Thanks.
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I really only have interest in vintage stuff so any CO2 post I make are likely to over lap the two topics. I guess I'll just have to figure out where I think I'll get more responses and let the chips fall where they may.
Bryan
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A sub forum for Co2 would be good.
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As Dez would say, Not gonna happen!
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Makes no sense to me, lumping CO2 guns with PCPs. They are two entirely different animals.
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Folks, this is not my decision but are and is the rules and guidelines of the forum and where to post them. I myself own a 2240 and a QB-78 and do not see them as "Darkside" Air Guns. You may continue to rant and rave but just don't shoot the messenger if you know what I mean, lol.
We have a hard enough time dealing with and reading every single post on the forum as it is; under our designated gates of course. By putting these Air Guns you WILL get more replies and more help from guys/gals that have been there and done that and moved on to HPA or PCP.
Thanks,
Matt
GTA Moderator/Chat Moderator
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First off Matt, I think you and the other Mods do a great job, and I thank you all for doing it. I do not think anyone that responded here was meaning to offend you, but merely suggesting a Co2 sub forum withing the darkside gate. Is there an area or person that we can contact for suggesting such?
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Member owned and member managed.
Wouldn't be anything here without member input.
All suggestions and ideas appreciated and welcome.
We lumped Co2 and PCP together for a reason, they ain't springers?
Now VINTAGE is a totally different beast all together. And this serves as a great example of just how HARD it is to organize and manage such a broad sport as we have.
:)
We're trying. And will continue to look at improvements!!!!
Thanks all...now carry on.
LOL
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There are a couple of issues that are not clear to me. Does this apply only to posts about CO2 guns in this gate or does it apply to all gates? If one asks about trigger issues on a Crosman 2240, for example, is it automatically moved to the Darkside, even if it is posted in the Airgun gate instead of the American/US Airguns gate? What if one asks about scope mounting for a QB78 in the European/Asia Airguns gate? In other words, if the post has nothing to do with the CO2 aspects of a CO2 airgun and is otherwise posted in the appropriate gate, will the post be moved to the Darkside. If so, I have to say that I think most such posts will not receive as much attention or as many replies as they would have if left in the original gates.
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i understand wanting to have a PCP gate, they deal with a lot of things that the rest of us don't. i understand that some guns can be both co2 and PCP (i consider them PCP convertibles). but i don't understand how a crosman action pistol relates to a FX verminator. why cant the manufacture-level gates handle some of the 12g. co2 action pistol, or vintage co2 stuff?
by this ruling the 1322 and 2240 would always be separated into different gates. hang out around here long enough and you'll find out that they are more than 80% the same gun. many questions are applicable to both.
please, don't shatter the forums into power-plant type (PCP, CO2, pumper, springer) it's shattered enough by continent, then by manufacturer, or vintage, etc....
in my opinion, which maters none, the manufacturer's forums can handle the springer, pumper, and the 12g. co2 stuff. the PCP/CO2 gate is for bulk-fill type guns.
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First off Matt, I think you and the other Mods do a great job, and I thank you all for doing it. I do not think anyone that responded here was meaning to offend you, but merely suggesting a Co2 sub forum withing the darkside gate. Is there an area or person that we can contact for suggesting such?
Your suggestion has been seen by ezman604 DAVE the head admin and it will be put into consideration however, I really do not see much coming of it due to it taking another 1 or 2 moderators to step up and take care of the gate. I do not take offense to any of the comments here as they are welcomed opinions that all matter to me. There are so many good points in this thread I cannot even begin to address them all.
I do understand that CO2 IS a different beast than PCP and HPA due to it's sensitivity to temperature, valve control, etc. Believe me it was not my decision to make them all in the same category! I am simply doing what should have been done from the start. Had that been done we would not be having this discussion now. ;D
In the end, it will be up to the admins as to what needs to be done, until then I have to do my job in it's entirety.
If any of this offends you I apologize. And please keep the comments coming, they are more than welcome!!!!
Matt
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LOL.... no disrespect but to simplify life for myself. I think I'll just put all my posts in the Airgun Gate and let ya'll put em where you want em.
Just kiddin guys. I wouldn't want your job.... the pay sux.
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We have a lot of irons in the fire at this time. But we do appreciate the input and will take a look at some possibly reorganization if it helps simplify life....for the members as well as staff. We are about to announce some changes in staff and we are working on several other forum issues that doesn't leave much spare time. Moving gates, creating gates and such also means going through EVERY post to see where it belongs. A daunting task in itself. But like doing an inventory, it takes time and attention but well worth it in the end, when it's done and you can relax and enjoy the fruits of your labor.
We're looking...
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Thanks for the responses, and your consideration. As I said before, all your hard work is very much appreciated.
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I'm fairly new here, so trying not to offend (I'll try to offend after I've been here longer :) ).
But... I would like to just weigh in that I also see this as an odd "rule". Even in the short time I've been on this forum (and I read it off and on for years before registering), it seems to have become more cumbersome and confusing. There are sometimes so many "stickies" that nearly the entire first page of a "gate" is filled with them. And then the "Moved" items may fill up the rest of the page. Figuring out where to post something is a challenge. It's frustrating and has had me wondering if I should look for an easier forum to use for this hobby. (I haven't tried...I like it here.)
To lump CO2 and PCP into the same forum section because neither are springers seems ... just ... senseless. Like putting shotguns in the same section as carbines, because neither are black powder muskets. Huh?
As noted, a 2240 and 1322 have a lot in common, and we should be able to discuss them in the same forum. That's my opinion, thank you for listening.
And of course I too appreciate all the hard work done here. I've been doing internet forums since they were EBB's in the early 1980s, on many topics. I know it's hard work. Thank you! And thank you for listening.
JAG
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The issues/questions I raised in the post below have not been addressed. I believe they are legitimate concerns and having the answers to those questions may eliminate confusion about where posts should be initially placed. I would really appreciate it if someone would address these questions.
There are a couple of issues that are not clear to me. Does this apply only to posts about CO2 guns in this gate or does it apply to all gates? If one asks about trigger issues on a Crosman 2240, for example, is it automatically moved to the Darkside, even if it is posted in the Airgun gate instead of the American/US Airguns gate? What if one asks about scope mounting for a QB78 in the European/Asia Airguns gate? In other words, if the post has nothing to do with the CO2 aspects of a CO2 airgun and is otherwise posted in the appropriate gate, will the post be moved to the Darkside. If so, I have to say that I think most such posts will not receive as much attention or as many replies as they would have if left in the original gates.
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They will be moved (if needed) to the gate that the subject is most appropriate for. As deemed by the staff. That's the best answer I can give. We're not perfect and never will be. We do the best we can. And we spend many hours trying to do the job.
And one post is as readable as another in my opinion. The tab above "Show unread posts since last visit" is how everyone SHOULD view the forum. I think it's the best way to see all new posts. And in this way, no post is overlooked simply because of WHERE it's located. Personally, I'd never come here and go straight to ONE gate and only one gate. You would definitely miss a lot if you did.
I hope this answer helps some.
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Now VINTAGE is a totally different beast all together. And this serves as a great example of just how HARD it is to organize and manage such a broad sport as we have.
:)
We're trying. And will continue to look at improvements!!!!
Thanks all...now carry on.
LOL
Well that's good to hear. It wouldn't make much sense for information on a vintage bulk-fill CO2 air rifle like the Crosman 118 to get lost in the PCP wasteland. Or that gorgeous Giffard we are all lusting over in the Vintage Gate.
Good job, Ladies and Gentlemen. Please carry on!
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Good Grief! Even when there is a huge difference of opinion, the forum members, the admin, and moderators are without question the most civil group of people I have ever seen on any forum. I really don't get it, but I certainly enjoy seeing it!
My complete respect to all those that posted on this topic!
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The issues/questions I raised in the post below have not been addressed. I believe they are legitimate concerns and having the answers to those questions may eliminate confusion about where posts should be initially placed. I would really appreciate it if someone would address these questions.
There are a couple of issues that are not clear to me. Does this apply only to posts about CO2 guns in this gate or does it apply to all gates? If one asks about trigger issues on a Crosman 2240, for example, is it automatically moved to the Darkside, even if it is posted in the Airgun gate instead of the American/US Airguns gate? What if one asks about scope mounting for a QB78 in the European/Asia Airguns gate? In other words, if the post has nothing to do with the CO2 aspects of a CO2 airgun and is otherwise posted in the appropriate gate, will the post be moved to the Darkside. If so, I have to say that I think most such posts will not receive as much attention or as many replies as they would have if left in the original gates.
I see your post was mostly answered by Ezman604 after you posted this and as I was reading down the thread before seconding your opinion. I certainly hope there will be moderate moderation because I've noticed what seems like quite a few posts to this Gate getting moved because they were about a Co2 or even PCP gun but were seeking very general Crosman centric info. Questions about trigger groups and barrels come to mind.
If that's the way it is, that's the way it is and I know mods need to at least scan great number of posts but I hope some discrimination will be made about whether a question about a Co2/PCP relates to the power source or the manufacturer.
Thanks to the mods and owners for this great resource we all share.
-Sticks
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They will be moved (if needed) to the gate that the subject is most appropriate for. As deemed by the staff. That's the best answer I can give. We're not perfect and never will be. We do the best we can. And we spend many hours trying to do the job.
And one post is as readable as another in my opinion. The tab above "Show unread posts since last visit" is how everyone SHOULD view the forum. I think it's the best way to see all new posts. And in this way, no post is overlooked simply because of WHERE it's located. Personally, I'd never come here and go straight to ONE gate and only one gate. You would definitely miss a lot if you did.
I hope this answer helps some.
This pretty much answers my questions. I wasn't questioning whether or not a given post would be read, but whether a post placed in a forum other than the one in which it was originally posted and one that some (many?) folks might not normally associate with the topic of that post would be as likely to be read as it would have been in the original forum. I'm not sure about the tab you mention, I have never noticed it. I do have my account set up so that clicking on the pages in the box to the left of the forum name, if the pages are highlighted, shows me the new posts in that forum. That way, I read new posts in only the forums of interest to me and don't have to go through all new posts in GTA (which is how I interpret what you said).
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... The tab above "Show unread posts since last visit" is how everyone SHOULD view the forum. I think it's the best way to see all new posts. And in this way, no post is overlooked simply because of WHERE it's located. Personally, I'd never come here and go straight to ONE gate and only one gate. You would definitely miss a lot if you did.
I hope this answer helps some.
Well, I disagree that this is the best way to read this forum, or most other forums on similar platforms. There are many subtopics or topic areas (or "gates" or whatever you wish to call them) that simply do not interest me. Or do not interest me at a given time. In fact, there's really only 2 or 3 topic areas that I read. I really don't want to have to scan long lists of posts having nothing to do with my areas of interest, just to try to cull out a few that might. Just thought I'd offer up that view, in case there is an assumption that this is the way everyone likes to or should do it.
JAG
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You can view the forum any way you wish. We're just glad you view it.
I offer it as the BEST way to not miss any new topics.