Got the same response.
Keep those emails going, everyone. If you haven't sent HW an email yet, please do so. It's in all of our best interest, whether or not you own (or want) an HW rifle.
;D Actually Jesse if you give as much love and attention to the table it will be just as pretty as the rifle ;) ;D
Tom, you do know that Brocock is now owned by the same parent company as Daystate don't ya ? Last i heard they were both even moving in to the same production facility.
I am starting to be curious as to what SSS's actual agreement with Weirhauch states. There seems to be a pretty big lack of information here on a few fronts and that has led to a lot of speculation both here and "over there"
It would not be uncommon for an importer to have rights to sell in only their country. I run across it almost daily and while it annoys the *(&^ out of me, I understand it's no fault of any of the importers themselves. They all point out that they can have their distributorships pulled at a moments notice for violating the terms of their agreement. This type of agreement is distasteful to me in this day and age as it limits the options of the consumer and it also eliminates a level of sales tool of the distributors.
The above response of growing and developing the market, I take fully tongue in cheek. I don't see anywhere near the level of promotion and support on any air rifle in North America as you do in Europe. Most of our initial reads of reviews come from Europe long before anything happens over here. American made products are the exception here and that does not apply, obviously to the HW label.
I'd like to see AoA query the mighty and powerful Hans on the issue and post up that correspondence, that may shed a little light on the whole environment.
MTC optics, One more you better add to that ever growing list tom. ::)
I'm thinking it's in SSSO's best interest to let things die down.
I'm thinking it's in SSSO's best interest to let things die down.
There is a post on the yellow by one Mike Ellingsworth today. He spoke with "Mike"@ SSSO, and clarified a few things, which further deepens the mud, lol. There was never a territorial agreement, according to them, and there have been threatening emails and letters from the "other" vendor. Read for yourself if you dare...tk
There is a post on the yellow by one Mike Ellingsworth today. He spoke with "Mike"@ SSSO, and clarified a few things, which further deepens the mud, lol. There was never a territorial agreement, according to them, and there have been threatening emails and letters from the "other" vendor. Read for yourself if you dare...tk
Please re-post here. I do not visit the other web site. :)
Mike E. is a straight up guy, and a friend of mine. He's never been accused of beating around the bush!!
I gotta give the Yellow some credit; I thought the AoA threads would last about 20 minutes before being deleted. Sponsor or not, the threads calling a spade a spade are sticking around, with new ones cropping up almost daily.
I think one of the most telling aspects of this entire issue is the fact that not once has a rep from AoA posted anything in their defense. Guess they're all hunkering down hoping it fades away....or maybe their profit margins are so fat they've got enough in reserve to ride this one out.
We'll see.
http://www.network54.com/Forum/79537/thread/1415398909/+Weihrauch+deal+with+Specialty+shooting+sports+info+found+out%21
Sooooo... anyone here planning on attending the Extreme BR put on by aoa?
Gentlemen, let me remind you of:
Rule 13- Personal attacks on individual airgunners, dealers, tuners or other airgun forums are strictly forbidden. If you have issues with them, then they should be addressed one on one. Do not create a “war zone” on your forum. Take your issues up directly with them and do not launder them here on the GTA forums.
This thread is very informative about airgun manufacturer's licensing practices and inter-business models of exclusivity BUT it is skating very close to violating our forum's rules. If it does so, it will be consigned to the Non-productive Gate where no one will be able to continue this discussion. Obviously, this is something none of us want. So, please choose your words carefully when discussing the practices of AOA and the Yellow forum. Personally, I'm very interested in seeing how this is resolved so let's keep it civil and within the rules.
thanks
joe
Gentlemen, let me remind you of:
Rule 13- Personal attacks on individual airgunners, dealers, tuners or other airgun forums are strictly forbidden. If you have issues with them, then they should be addressed one on one. Do not create a “war zone” on your forum. Take your issues up directly with them and do not launder them here on the GTA forums.
This thread is very informative about airgun manufacturer's licensing practices and inter-business models of exclusivity BUT it is skating very close to violating our forum's rules. If it does so, it will be consigned to the Non-productive Gate where no one will be able to continue this discussion. Obviously, this is something none of us want. So, please choose your words carefully when discussing the practices of AOA and the Yellow forum. Personally, I'm very interested in seeing how this is resolved so let's keep it civil and within the rules.
thanks
joe
What about this post??
http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=77825.0;topicseen (http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=77825.0;topicseen)
not telling ya to be quiet just we need to tip toe on the line and see what shakes out
We still love ya Booger.
Any new developments?
We still love ya Booger.::) ;) :o Jesse is keeping it zipped for the first time since he joined
Any new developments?
We still love ya Booger.::) ;) :o Jesse is keeping it zipped for the first time since he joined
Any new developments?AMAZING;D ;D
even your silence is amusing ;)We still love ya Booger.::) ;) :o Jesse is keeping it zipped for the first time since he joined
Any new developments?;D AMAZING ;D
I like that "AMAZING" thing.[/move]:-X
I sure can feel the hate in this thread. We airgunners have a limited number of places to purchase our airguns and associated supplies. Shooting Skud Missiles at any one of the vendors in the business is not good for the hobby as a whole. It reduces competition and gives us a bad name.I do not beleive it is hate it is disappointment in one of the few vendors that serves several roles (1) wholesaler (2) brick and mortar retailer & (3) an internet vendor. They are not a mom and pop operation and to expect to recieve fair and courtious treatment and not receive it after spending a not insignificant amount of hard earned money will generate a less than positive responce from the buyer. When you are in a successful business the customer and their perception of you is paramount. A negitive experiance will garner a negitive responce from the buyer. I work as a service manager at a small HVAC company and one unhappy customer will tell anybody that will listen why they are not happy so many will hear why you should not choose to buy goods or services from them. The happy customer will tell many less people about that great experiance unless asked who did the great job. If you look in the Buyers and Sellers gate you will see many threads about vendors and privite sellers that go above and beyond to insure a positive sale or return.
I learned early on here at GTA that politics plays a part in how will you fit into the click. I shall leave it at that.
I sure can feel the hate in this thread. We airgunners have a limited number of places to purchase our airguns and associated supplies. Shooting Skud Missiles at any one of the vendors in the business is not good for the hobby as a whole. It reduces competition and gives us a bad name.
I learned early on here at GTA that politics plays a part in how will you fit into the click. I shall leave it at that.
I sure can feel the hate in this thread. We airgunners have a limited number of places to purchase our airguns and associated supplies. Shooting Skud Missiles at any one of the vendors in the business is not good for the hobby as a whole. It reduces competition and gives us a bad name.
I learned early on here at GTA that politics plays a part in how will you fit into the click. I shall leave it at that.
Yet still after all the hubbub no one seems to know what the actual distribution agreements with Weihrauch state. Until that becomes clear I really cannot side with either AoA or SSS on this one. Just far too little factual information on the issue.
I have an email into Weihrauch, and am awaiting a response. It was not threatening in any manner as I prefer not to make radical decisions based soley on forum information, or lack there of.
I have also corresponded with Andreas at FX and he has shed far more light on the distribution scenario than anyone else so far. I found it to be quite informative.
As for calling for a boycott of any given manufacturer or distributor. I would caution against radical actions made on partial information. You just never know who's hands you may be playing into.
I sure can feel the hate in this thread. We airgunners have a limited number of places to purchase our airguns and associated supplies. Shooting Skud Missiles at any one of the vendors in the business is not good for the hobby as a whole. It reduces competition and gives us a bad name.
I learned early on here at GTA that politics plays a part in how will you fit into the click. I shall leave it at that.
Yep. If I was in business for myself.....well, that just about explains it right there. Do any if us know what the dealer agreement is with HW? I would imagine it would take a lawyer to sort through it. Most do. I can't see HW caving because a dealer wants a share of the pie not due to him. If your neighbor decided he wanted a tree that was 5 feet into your property and we all complained that you went to the local government about it, would that be right? How about if there was a deed filed in the courthouse that said your neighbor owned all timber rights on your property. The point is that these issues get complicated fast.
Maybe I'm just too careful what I say or write. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libel (http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libel)
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Where'd you get that kaboom emoticon? I click on more here and get nothing.
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Where'd you get that kaboom emoticon? I click on more here and get nothing.
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just copy and paste it to word and you will have it when needed
Seems like gun laws in the US are swaying towards common sense while Canadians are heading down the idiocy path?
Even the state of Michigan recently came to their senses on the airgun topic.
Seems like gun laws in the US are swaying towards common sense while Canadians are heading down the idiocy path?
Even the state of Michigan recently came to their senses on the airgun topic.
Heading? We've been in bonehead mode since the introduction of the original FAC. This latest go round is not so much impacting airguns as a legal kludge aimed at enabling the law to prosecute people who use airsoft guns in the commission of crimes. The fallout will remain to be seen.
Huge difference in penalty for using a firearm in the commission of a crime. By enabling an airsoft gun to be classified as a firearm if it is used in a crime the penalty therefore increases instantly and the argument about it being a toy is removed as a defense.
Huge difference in penalty for using a firearm in the commission of a crime. By enabling an airsoft gun to be classified as a firearm if it is used in a crime the penalty therefore increases instantly and the argument about it being a toy is removed as a defense.
Ok, so a criminal with an airsoft should get a lighter sentence? Or should there be classifications of felonies by FPE? To me, threatening someone with a weapon, who by the by, probably doesn't know betwixt an airsoft and a howitzer, which is why you as a criminal are robbing them, unless you are congenitally stupid, is the point.
Huge difference in penalty for using a firearm in the commission of a crime. By enabling an airsoft gun to be classified as a firearm if it is used in a crime the penalty therefore increases instantly and the argument about it being a toy is removed as a defense.
Ok, so a criminal with an airsoft should get a lighter sentence? Or should there be classifications of felonies by FPE? To me, threatening someone with a weapon, who by the by, probably doesn't know betwixt an airsoft and a howitzer, which is why you as a criminal are robbing them, unless you are congenitally stupid, is the point.
The new air gun law in Canada requiring airguns to be treated like firearms will be interesting on sales in Canada.This is not any new law. Nothing's changed with regard to airgun law in Canada. A sub-500 fps airgun still does not require a Possession and Acquisition Licence (PAL) to buy. Above 500 fps still requires a PAL. If you use either airgun in the commission of a crime, you would be treated as though you had used a powder burning firearm.
What I'm going to do is choose not to give my money to one manufacturer and one distributer/dealer.
What I'm going to do is choose not to give my money to one manufacturer and one distributer/dealer.
Your not alone I will not be giving a dime to either going forward. Both manufacturer and distributor/dealer took a hit for sure. The dealer took a bigger hit and lost some of us for ever..
I wonder if it was worth it and if they could do it over again would they? Bet the manufacturer would like a do over..
What I'm going to do is choose not to give my money to one manufacturer and one distributer/dealer.
Your not alone I will not be giving a dime to either going forward. Both manufacturer and distributor/dealer took a hit for sure. The dealer took a bigger hit and lost some of us for ever..
I wonder if it was worth it and if they could do it over again would they? Bet the manufacturer would like a do over..
In all honesty and fairness, this is just a small speed bump. The truth is, the number of new customers will always outnumber the repeat customers. Most of them probably haven't even heard of this thread or are aware of the ongoing dispute. And even if they did, would they care. In a couple of months, it will all blow over and back to business as usual.
Discussing it here, while might be therapeutic, is in reality equivocal to beating a dead horse. Keep in mind I don't hold a position either way on this as I have not/do not do business with either of the companies or the manufacturer.
What I'm going to do is choose not to give my money to one manufacturer and one distributer/dealer.
Your not alone I will not be giving a dime to either going forward. Both manufacturer and distributor/dealer took a hit for sure. The dealer took a bigger hit and lost some of us for ever..
I wonder if it was worth it and if they could do it over again would they? Bet the manufacturer would like a do over..
In all honesty and fairness, this is just a small speed bump. The truth is, the number of new customers will always outnumber the repeat customers. Most of them probably haven't even heard of this thread or are aware of the ongoing dispute. And even if they did, would they care. In a couple of months, it will all blow over and back to business as usual.
Discussing it here, while might be therapeutic, is in reality equivocal to beating a dead horse. Keep in mind I don't hold a position either way on this as I have not/do not do business with either of the companies or the manufacturer.
+1 we are such a small group it makes no difference at all. They will still get their bottom line (both companies).
What I'm going to do is choose not to give my money to one manufacturer and one distributer/dealer.
Your not alone I will not be giving a dime to either going forward. Both manufacturer and distributor/dealer took a hit for sure. The dealer took a bigger hit and lost some of us for ever..
I wonder if it was worth it and if they could do it over again would they? Bet the manufacturer would like a do over..
In all honesty and fairness, this is just a small speed bump. The truth is, the number of new customers will always outnumber the repeat customers. Most of them probably haven't even heard of this thread or are aware of the ongoing dispute. And even if they did, would they care. In a couple of months, it will all blow over and back to business as usual.
Discussing it here, while might be therapeutic, is in reality equivocal to beating a dead horse. Keep in mind I don't hold a position either way on this as I have not/do not do business with either of the companies or the manufacturer.
+1 we are such a small group it makes no difference at all. They will still get their bottom line (both companies).
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The reality is any response other than what you would normally do is allowing others to take control of your actions. The only decision you actually get to make is who is defining what you do. Not enough info here or anywhere else to make a rational decision on that.
This ones for you booger:)
The defeatist position likely comes from a person that is not truly committed to this effort. It is a way to justify doing business with the devil.