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Airguns by Make and Model => Weihrauch Airguns => Topic started by: triggerfest on August 16, 2014, 06:28:32 AM
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I have had the HW97k in .177, I was not satisfied about the caliber... .22 also loads easier.
I like the size of the HW50, but it is also a kind of lively...
I like the .20 caliber and I think it has the best match with the HW95 ?
Always good to have a powerhouse like the HW80, but is it hold sensitive ??
Only for the HW50 I would make a consession on the caliber (move to .22)...
My shooting behaviour...? Leisure shooting on targets/cards and plinking, up to distances of 45 yards. No hunting.
Looking forward to your advice ;)
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I went with the HW95 in .20 caliber. After a tune/kit......if you don't like it I'll take it off your hands if the price is right ;)
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I went with the HW95 in .20 caliber. After a tune/kit......if you don't like it I'll take it off your hands if the price is right ;)
Same here.
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:D
Ok, good start... ;)
Why ?
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I have a 97 and a 98 both in 177.
Both are awesome rifles....made extremely well, stupid accurate and both are absolute joys to shoot.
Bit of a cop out, but you will be thrilled with either!
Good luck!!
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What do want to do with it?..................................
If you just want to collect them , Get one of each.
Happy Shootin !
Petey
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HW80. good all around rifle... classic lines and typical good quality, plus energy enough for most small game... just not a target rifle...
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I doubt you can get anything bad from HW. everything listed has different applications.
I have an R1. I have .177 and .22 barrels for it. I really dont have any preference to either.
Because I am a springer guy, the R1 fits the bill for me. Although, I do fancy an R7.
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My .177 50S is stupid accurate due to the lower power. I really only need to pull the trigger. It is not hold sensitive.
The down side is the cocking effort for the power. Not unbearable but you are closer to 30lbs than 20 to latch the piston.
I went with the 77 over the 97 because sometimes I like to plink with open sights. You can remove the blade sight and use a standard HW globe. It is .20 and does about 15 fpe. Because of the weight and caliber it is just as easy to shoot as my 50. The only thing I would change is getting the 77k. It handles better.
My 95 is .177 and tends to require more effort to shoot accurately. The larger caliber should tame it down.
You could go for the 95 in .177 and install JM's UK power kit to get the power closer to the 50 and have easier cocking than the 50 as well.
Hope this can help.
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It all comes down to how you intend to shoot the gun.
The build quality on all of the Weihrauchs I have owned has been top notch.
IMHO, the R7 and the R1 (HW80) capture both ends of the spectrum from Weihrauch.
The R1 is a hunting rifle. A very accurate powerhouse that is built like a tank.....with a weight to match.
The R7 is the best target and close range small game rifle and very easy to shoot.
The R9/HW95 is somewhere in between.
FWIW, I reach for my R7 more than all of the others combined.
R
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I went with the HW80 & 50. I have a R11 (HW98) cousin of the R9 in .177 and it is as accurate as my TX200MK3 (maybe more). If you really want a HW97 there is a tuned one in the classifieds. If I had the money I would jump on it. Mike is a good dude and shoots straight.
Side note: If I sell another gun I just might jump on it myself. :)
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"IMHO, the R7 and the R1 (HW80) capture both ends of the spectrum from Weihrauch." "dang" straight. I love my HW30 deluxe in .20 as well as my R1 carbine,.... Also in .20,...... Imagine that ;) You know, one of my favorite rifle to caliber combinations is the Diana 34 in .22 cal, and the same feeling goes for the R1 in 5.0mm. I honestly think the reason Doc Beeman came up with the R1 was to promote this caliber. And boy does it :) Very solid build, great power, and accuracy with surgical precision at 30 to 50 yards. Even further if you have the real estate. What more could you ask for in a break barrel springer.
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Even though its not on your poll, I vote for the Beeman R7///HW30. I do lots of leisure shooting and plinking with my R7 out to 45 yards quite regularly. Its a lower-powered spring piston rifle though, but the benefit is there is generally low hold sensitivity like you are looking for. Even though I own other Weihrauch rifles, my R7s are what I pick up to shoot the majority of the time since they are so lightweight and user-friendly. The Beeman R7 also comes in .20 cal. and if you wanted .22 cal., that can be found in the HW30 model.
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Thanks, I have the Diana 21, which is pretty equivalent to the R7 though...
But I do like the shooting cycle of such an airgun, but then with a little bit more power please ;)
Like the poll shows, I consider the HW50s now, but in terms of accuracy compared with the HW97k - any thoughts...?
Btw the way, I own a Diana 34 .22 too, so the 95 in .20 might be a nice addition to it...
Choices, choices... :D
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Thanks, I have the Diana 21, which is pretty equivalent to the R7 though...
But I do like the shooting cycle of such an airgun, but then with a little bit more power please ;)
Like the poll shows, I consider the HW50s now, but in terms of accuracy compared with the HW97k - any thoughts...?
Btw the way, I own a Diana 34 .22 too, so the 95 in .20 might be a nice addition to it...
Choices, choices... :D
My only problem with .20 caliber is I am a poor man. LOL I have several .177, .22, .25 caliber guns and to add a .20 would just damage my finances even more. :'(
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HW50 s in .22. Some will make the case for .177 in this model, and I cannot argue. However, the larger pellet seems to tame the twang, buzz, whatever in stock form. Mine is a pleasure to shoot and plenty accurate. Not that hard to cock unless there is a medical/physical issue. If cocking effort is a concern, get the R7, tk
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" Leisure shooting on targets/cards and plinking, up to distances of 45 yards. No hunting"
Either the 95 or 50 would be my pick. Probably the 50 for the above applications in .177 because of cost and availability of pellets. For hunting/plinking/targets the 95 in .20 caliber would be my choice especially for shots beyond 35 yards.
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I have a 97 and a 98 both in 177.
Both are awesome rifles....made extremely well, stupid accurate and both are absolute joys to shoot.
Bit of a cop out, but you will be thrilled with either!
Good luck!!
Cool stuff 8)
From a break barrel vs fixed barrel perspective, do you notice any differences in accuracy or hold sensivity ?
Cheers !
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I have a 97 and a 98 both in 177.
Both are awesome rifles....made extremely well, stupid accurate and both are absolute joys to shoot.
Bit of a cop out, but you will be thrilled with either!
Good luck!!
Cool stuff 8)
From a break barrel vs fixed barrel perspective, do you notice any differences in accuracy or hold sensivity ?
Cheers !
I can not tell you about the 97, but the 98/R11 do not seem very hold sensitive to me. I will be getting her a full tune from crown to trigger like I did my TX200, and then a true comparison can be made after I send my TX200 to the spa after at least 25,000 shots and maybe closer to 40,000.
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97k......in.20 cal blues in thumbhole walnut stock, bkl. Mounts and a Bushnell.elite scope......but that is just off the top of my head.....not like I have looked at it at all......KLANG........where was I?
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I have owned all 4 rifles mentioned, the hw50 (actually it was a beeman R8, tuned), is ok but I reached for the r7 more often than not, as the size makes it handier, and being that it was used for short to medium range it did great. (by the way, i had 3 R7, and the best was the .20 cal.). I onwed 3 R9 in .20 cal... still own the last (actually a HW95 )... a lot more power than a hw50, and also very close on size... that is why the hw 50 stopped making sense to me. I had a 97K in .20 tuned, great FT gun, and i had the chance to shoot a HW97K blue laminate in .22... great guns. picking off shotgun shells at 50 yards was a joke... but sold the 97 and got a 77k instead, in .177 and had it tuned down to 11.88 fpe... it is my current FT rig... I just liked the classic styling better and it also still has the option of open sights... My gun has a Venom Clone kit and it will shoot well under 1 inch at 50 yards... is it more accurate than the break barrels??? not necessarily. it just looks better, and it makes me feel as if it more solid... that is why i like underlevers... The R1...BY far the best springer available... it is an understressed system that uses its own mass to smooth the firing cycle... and your body sway. I have owned a .177, a .22 and a .30 caliber R1. I have also shot them in .25 and .20... spring or gas rammed... They are absolutely wonderful. It you buy one new it WILL smooth out with time... but if you have a tuned one... that will be the last springer you buy. My favorite was a HW80 .22 carbine with a bull barrel and a target stock tuned to shoot 22 fpe. It had less recoil than the R7... but it was a wonderfully sorted gun. If you get one i would recommend a .22 because your only expense then would be pellets... It has enough power to hunt pretty big game (I did raccoons out to 40 yards with fusebox hits) and .22 is easier to get than .20... also it is very forgiving to shoot allowing for pretty amazing accuracy specially when stretching out... It is quite a handful as a backyard pester, but it can do it. The hw50 cant do the R1 job out past 40 yards... the r9 and the hw97 have about the same power... being in between the R1 and the hw50... But again, you can always dial the hw80/r1 down... and they get sweeter and sweeter.
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If you have read any of my posts, its obvious that I am a springer guy. Particularly the R1.
I am interested in the .30 cal R1. How was that one?
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it was 1 out of 5 made... it shot very well but it was difficult to secure pellets (before the new batch of .30 cal guns came out... ) we had half a tin of 30 grainers, loafing along at low 500s... but it smacked so hard... we also tried making a die to expand .25 cals... but the accuracy went out of the window. they were too squatty. Alas, that project was converted into a .25, which still shoots incredibly well today. :). The barrel assembly is put away for now... maybe we will re try with lighter pellets when available... By the way, there were also 2 .32 cals... never found one though.
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I have owned all 4 rifles mentioned, the hw50 (actually it was a beeman R8, tuned), is ok but I reached for the r7 more often than not, as the size makes it handier, and being that it was used for short to medium range it did great. (by the way, i had 3 R7, and the best was the .20 cal.). I onwed 3 R9 in .20 cal... still own the last (actually a HW95 )... a lot more power than a hw50, and also very close on size... that is why the hw 50 stopped making sense to me. I had a 97K in .20 tuned, great FT gun, and i had the chance to shoot a HW97K blue laminate in .22... great guns. picking off shotgun shells at 50 yards was a joke... but sold the 97 and got a 77k instead, in .177 and had it tuned down to 11.88 fpe... it is my current FT rig... I just liked the classic styling better and it also still has the option of open sights... My gun has a Venom Clone kit and it will shoot well under 1 inch at 50 yards... is it more accurate than the break barrels??? not necessarily. it just looks better, and it makes me feel as if it more solid... that is why i like underlevers... The R1...BY far the best springer available... it is an understressed system that uses its own mass to smooth the firing cycle... and your body sway. I have owned a .177, a .22 and a .30 caliber R1. I have also shot them in .25 and .20... spring or gas rammed... They are absolutely wonderful. It you buy one new it WILL smooth out with time... but if you have a tuned one... that will be the last springer you buy. My favorite was a HW80 .22 carbine with a bull barrel and a target stock tuned to shoot 22 fpe. It had less recoil than the R7... but it was a wonderfully sorted gun. If you get one i would recommend a .22 because your only expense then would be pellets... It has enough power to hunt pretty big game (I did raccoons out to 40 yards with fusebox hits) and .22 is easier to get than .20... also it is very forgiving to shoot allowing for pretty amazing accuracy specially when stretching out... It is quite a handful as a backyard pester, but it can do it. The hw50 cant do the R1 job out past 40 yards... the r9 and the hw97 have about the same power... being in between the R1 and the hw50... But again, you can always dial the hw80/r1 down... and they get sweeter and sweeter.
Wauw, great read ! And I was trending down the HW50, bit I did let it go again after your read... ;D
So..., out of those 4..., if you had to pick one, just only one AG for the rest of your life. Which one would it be ?? And why of course ;)
Also.., isn't the HW80 not to harsh on scopes ?
Cheers !
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if i was to have 1 only, it would be the HW80/R1 in .22. Second choice would be the R9 in .20, followed closely by the 97K in .22 (the R9 is a better field gun and i do tramp around the fields with a rifle... the 97 is a bit too heavy. And at last, not without merits though would be the HW50...but i would choose that in .22. If you are dead set on a .177 try the R7. Evryone should own an R7... it will bring world peace and end hunger...lol
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I would have to agree with the dew of the lilly. He pretty muc177 summed22 it up.
also my R1 never harmed a cheap BSA scope in either .177 or .22 cal..
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Was the 77K excluded for any reason?
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Was the 77K excluded for any reason?
Not particularly...?
It is looks (HW97) vs open sights (HW77)..., any others from your perspective ? Like balance ?
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the 77k is a wonderful rifle... but mine is set up for FT at 11.8 fpe and that is how it shoots the best... which pretty much takes it out of the hunting realm for anything bigger tha a squirrel past 50 yards... The R1 can play FT... not perfect but it has been done... the 77 can't play howitzer... but i do love the 77... super fun gun...